"The Runthrough" podcast with Adam & Ashley

[Willin]

@Jarrett You obviously haven't been at a rink for a busy freestyle. Yelling at kids to get off the ice and ushering them off isn't exactly uncommon... Usually it's a coach, but sometimes the older skaters will do it as well. I've even seen coaches or older skaters get hands on skaters to get them off the ice - not violently, but certainly putting a hand on them to gently push them towards the door.

If they haven't "sought a resolution" it's probably because their behavior isn't unusual or they don't even remember it. Most skaters don't find this behavior wrong, or at least we don't find it wrong enough for it to be dirty laundry aired for the public on social media. If she's speaking her truth, the more appropriate way to do it would be to contact them privately and ask to speak to them. NOT to send a social media army to harass them and try to get them cancelled.

I think that's why many people are side-eying this. There's no context to it, it's a claim that could easily be quite exaggerated, and it's a common sight at rinks. That and while if what she said about the level of behavior is true they should rightfully apologize, this is definitely a really bad look and a bad way to do it. This is a normal conflict at rinks that is usually settled privately if at all.

 

[skateboy]

I've never bought into Ashley Wagner being some very erudite or likable person tbh.

Neither have I.

 

[Jarrett]

@Jarrett You obviously haven't been at a rink for a busy freestyle. Yelling at kids to get off the ice and ushering them off isn't exactly uncommon... Usually it's a coach, but sometimes the older skaters will do it as well. I've even seen coaches or older skaters get hands on skaters to get them off the ice - not violently, but certainly putting a hand on them to gently push them towards the door.

If they haven't "sought a resolution" it's probably because their behavior isn't unusual or they don't even remember it. Most skaters don't find this behavior wrong, or at least we don't find it wrong enough for it to be dirty laundry aired for the public on social media. If she's speaking her truth, the more appropriate way to do it would be to contact them privately and ask to speak to them. NOT to send a social media army to harass them and try to get them cancelled.

I think that's why many people are side-eying this. There's no context to it, it's a claim that could easily be quite exaggerated, and it's a common sight at rinks. That and while if what she said about the level of behavior is true they should rightfully apologize, this is definitely a really bad look and a bad way to do it. This is a normal conflict at rinks that is usually settled privately if at all.

You don't have to live in a rink to know this happens. You can watch this happen at any skating competition practice to see people getting in the way of right of way skaters however as those events the skater are usually of similar level and age. How many 11 year olds are dropped off at the rink solo for a session. I'm hoping not many. I'm sure Ashley and Adam and handle the cancel nation since they live off social media. They are grown adults in their 30s. If they did it so many times they can't remember that speaks to them more than anything. Maybe they can address is about etiquette at the rink on one of their podcasts.

 

[Willin]

@Jarrett A lot of 11-year-olds are dropped off alone at rinks. Not a whole day, but certainly for a few hours. If you’re there all the time like all these skaters were it’s not that unusual.

And I’m not saying they did this so many times they forgot. I’m saying this is such a common thing to see and do in general that it’s not going to stick in most peoples’ minds or be something you see as apology-worthy even if you do it only once.

And if my problem is that she called them out over this and got the drama started on social media, I think it would be much classier or better if they apologized in private and simply ignored the issue publicly. Maybe a public apology. Otherwise they’re part of the same problem: rehashing and airing old drama that isn’t appropriate to rehash publicly.

 

[kwanette]

If someone has time..could you summarize the situation? I did not see anything on social media. about the yelling incident. TIA..

 

[Rukia]

who among us has not had to yell at a child in a session? Consider: sometimes it's a huge safety issue and these kids just don't get it.

 

[ice coverage]

Emma Tang called Ashley and Adam out for screaming at her to get off the ice when she was 11. She did it as a comment on Ashley's post about healing.

Like everyone else in this thread, I have no way of knowing of what did or did not actually happen on ice in this particular instance, so I will never know whether any screaming at the then-child was or was not warranted.

I am not a skater, but I can understand in general terms that in the event of an unsafe situation, yelling would quickly and forcefully get a child's attention.

What stood out to me in the skater's Instastory (now expired) is that she said they not only screamed at her and chased her off the ice, but also told her to never come back.
If I were eleven years old, I think the "never come back" part would have been the most upsetting, and I wonder whether it made the child feel (both back then and now upon reflection in adulthood) that the older elite skaters had crossed a line?

 

[jägerbomb]

I get Gen Z and some millennials believe no one can change and people should be cancelled for everything they did ever, but that attitude only makes you look bad. People should be allowed to grow, change, and heal.

Oh this is 95% a Gen Z thing. Not millennials.

Honestly, this hit-and-run insta story makes Ashley more relatable.

 

[Willin]

Oh this is 95% a Gen Z thing. Not millennials.

Honestly, this hit-and-run insta story makes Ashley more relatable.

The most Gen Z (and tacky) of this whole debacle is this:

Ashley posted "I'm trying to heal and like skating again." (She posts this content a lot, and has talked about her struggles with skating and past personality/conflict issues.) Then out of nowhere that skater comes up, reposts it, and says "She was a terrible person to me once."

It's just so uncalled for, but so young internet user. I see it all the time on social media with lots of different people. "I don't care if they are trying to heal. They did this terrible thing 20 years ago! **** them!"

Like, if someone's posting about trying to be a better person and get over past trauma, respect that. Don't insult them and invite people to flame them.

 

[On My Own]

Everyone is allowed to heal. Apart from Lim Eunsoo who was a bullying teenage bitch who got her karma when her career crapped out.

Oh and it's also extremely funny to make fun of Kim Yuna's broken English about her Canadian coach from when she was 19.

/s

Good for Emma Tang for calling them out. Not that I believe it will affect anything, it will be the same "let us heal" and the rest of the delusional trash coming from these people, who lie about 'growing'.

 

[On My Own]

ISU's new motto should have been "skate on, together, to heal". It'd have been a modern day Hare Krishna Movement, a real lost opportunity!