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Of the US women, Nancy Kerrigan had the best spiral, not Kristi, not Michelle, not Sasha
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Of the US women, Nancy Kerrigan had the best spiral, not Kristi, not Michelle, not Sasha
Figures never really translated to free skating imoFor all the talk about how helpful school figures were to having strong edges, the skating skills of the lower two thirds of ladies at Worlds 1982 & 1984 were pretty terrible compared to today's skaters.
I'm actually not sure what was so amazing about skating during the figures era
Were you talking about in Figures or SP / LP? I do remember 82 Worlds LP was a splat fest, but it was memorable for Queen Zayak rising from 7th to the top.For all the talk about how helpful school figures were to having strong edges, the skating skills of the lower two thirds of ladies at Worlds 1982 & 1984 were pretty terrible compared to today's skaters.
What is "crude"?With choreography that wasn't crude
Yes, skating in those days was notable for its complete lack of attitude.Good skating with no attitude
LP -- leaving aside the top groups of skaters, the fundamental skating skills (not jumps) of many of the competitors were pretty awful. Hunched backs, pumping, slow, and overall lacking in power. The field moves were also pretty lame. Today's skaters are markedly better on those aspects, even in the lowest groups of the LP.Were you talking about in Figures or SP / LP? I do remember 82 Worlds LP was a splat fest, but it was memorable for Queen Zayak rising from 7th to the top.
Practically everything improved by the late 1980s lol. It's barely watchable before then, at least coming from the perspective of someone who only got into it because that someone really loves dance. Choreography became more structured (as did the music cuts), the musicality became more evident, and it was exciting because of the big jumps.Yes, skating in those days was notable for its complete lack of attitude.![]()
John Curry, Torvill, Dean
On the cover of a magazine
Janet Lynn, edges so clean
Picture of a skating queen
Toller Cranston, he had flair
Peggy Fleming, glide on air
They had style, they had grace
Sonja Henie gave good face
Tenley, Dorothy, Carol too
Robin Cousins, we love you
Good skating with no attitude
With choreography that wasn't crude
Don't just stand there, let's get to it
Head to YouTube - there's nothing to it
We're not going to agree. I don't see black and white films without sound of 20th century as something amazingly watchable - I just recognize them as a necessary step for modern film. Place Michelle Kwan next to anyone you named, and I think most will see her tech content as well as choreography were far better.
"look how far we've come and how bad everyone was back then"
"imagine if they could do quads"
Of the US women, Nancy Kerrigan had the best spiral, not Kristi, not Michelle, not Sasha
Well some things happen for the good.Compulsory figures would not have died out if Gabby Seyfert had stayed in competition through the 1972 Olympics.
The difference is the back position -- Kerrigan's torso was much more upright and that's why she needed to hold her leg. None of the others did spirals in that position (other than Jenny Kirk, who also held her leg the same way).If you have to hold your leg up with your hand then does it really count? Hmm....
Kristi's spiral was merely adequate and no where in the league of Michelle, Sasha, Bobeck.
I don't think this is correct.Compulsory figures would not have died out if Gabby Seyfert had stayed in competition through the 1972 Olympics.
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The podium probably would have been:
1. Seyfert
2. Magnussen
3. Schuba
Rounded out by:
4. Holmes
5. Lynn
Schuba, Holmes, and Lynn would have been panned as deficient specialists.
Each judge ranked each skater by Ordinal Placement from first through last place. The Ordinal Placement for each judge was based on Total Points awarded by that judge to the skaters. The points were based on 50% for Compulsory Figures and 50% for Free Skating, with the tiebreaker for each judge being Compulsory Figure Points. Final placement was determined by a Majority Placement rule. Thus, if a skater was ranked first by a majority of the judges, that skater was placed first overall, and the process was repeated for each place. Ties broken by a Subsequent Majority rule, i.e., if the pairs were ranked for the same position by the same number of judges, Majority Placement for the next higher position for each pair determined who was ranked higher. The tiebreakers were, in order: 1) Number of Majority Placements, 2) Total Ordinals of Majority, 3) Total Ordinals, 4) Total Points, 5) Compulsory Figure Points.
Pos | Skater | NOC | Maj. Placements | Ordinals | Maj. Ordinals | Points | Judge #1 | Judge #2 | Judge #3 | Judge #4 | Judge #5 | Judge #6 | Judge #7 | Judge #8 | Judge #9 | |||
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1 | Trixi Schuba | ![]() | 9×1+ | 9.0 | 9.0 | 2,751.5 | 308.6 (1) | 303.9 (1) | 305.9 (1) | 303.5 (1) | 307.8 (1) | 306.1 (1) | 308.6 (1) | 305.5 (1) | 301.6 (1) | Gold | ||
2 | Karen Magnussen | ![]() | 6×2+ | 23.0 | 12.0 | 2,673.2 | 296.6 (2) | 298.9 (2) | 295.2 (2) | 298.0 (2) | 292.3 (4) | 305.1 (2) | 295.5 (4) | 294.2 (3) | 297.4 (2) | Silver | ||
3 | Janet Lynn | ![]() | 8×3+ | 27.0 | 23.0 | 2,663.1 | 294.9 (3) | 297.5 (3) | 294.9 (3) | 295.5 (3) | 294.3 (3) | 294.8 (3) | 299.2 (3) | 299.5 (2) | 292.5 (4) | Bronze | ||
4 | Julie Lynn Holmes | ![]() | 6×4+ | 39.0 | 20.0 | 2,627.0 | 294.7 (4) | 289.8 (4) | 292.1 (5) | 284.9 (7) | 296.5 (2) | 294.3 (4) | 299.7 (2) | 293.5 (4) | 281.5 (7) |
According to Toller Cranston, not only was Schuba miles better at figures than any woman or man ever, Toller claimed that she was actually underscored in figures... she really was THAT much better than everyone else and her marks should have been even higher.Schuba's Compulsory Figures at the time were commonly deemed the best ever for any skater, man or woman. This is reflected in the fact that her score in the Compulsory Figures was higher than that of Ondrej Nepela, also one of the best ever, in the Men's competition.
If you have to hold your leg up with your hand then does it really count? Hmm....
Kristi's spiral was merely adequate and no where in the league of Michelle, Sasha, Bobeck.
If I understand correctly, Seyfert would have had to earn more total points than Schuba did from at least five of the nine judges to win. This was well nigh impossible.
Schuba's Compulsory Figures at the time were commonly deemed the best ever for any skater, man or woman. This is reflected in the fact that her score in the Compulsory Figures was higher than that of Ondrej Nepela, also one of the best ever, in the Men's competition. There was an enormous gap between her and Karen Magnussen in the final standings even though Schuba finished seventh in the Free Skating and Magnussen finished second. At her best, therefore, Seyfert might have earned the silver medal, but in that case, the order would have been: 1. Schuba, 2. Seyfert, 3. Magnussen, 4. Lynn, and 5. Holmes instead of the actual results, which were:
But even if Seyfert had stayed in and had won, a lot would have changed between 1972 and 2024, just as it did in reality. I very much doubt that a Seyfert victory would have saved Compulsory Figures.
Excuse me, but Tara did a difficult variation where she held it with her hand and then let go, modifying the leg position slightly but maintaining the spiral.Tara Lipinski also held her leg up with her hand.
AFAIR Toller said that Trixie's figures were so good and so exactly traced that on the third repetition of the figure, she would offset her trace slightly so her blade would not get caught in the trace she had already carved so deeply in the previous two traces.According to Toller Cranston, not only was Schuba miles better at figures than any woman or man ever, Toller claimed that she was actually underscored in figures... she really was THAT much better than everyone else and her marks should have been even higher.
I don't mean to sound rude, be rude or anything similar to that, but Tara did hold her leg up with her hand during her free skate at the 1998 Olympics.Excuse me, but Tara did a difficult variation where she held it with her hand and then let go, modifying the leg position slightly but maintaining the spiral.