Chinese skating news & social media updates pt. 5, 2023 onwards

[raruki]

Well It's happening
Sui training with Ze‘En Li yesterday

http://xhslink.com/B/yXIwnG

What else can she achieve by pairing up with a guy who can barely lift 90kg on a bench press and only lift a little girl under 10 in competitions?

 

[ajingmarg]

What else can she achieve by pairing up with a guy who can barely lift 90kg on a bench press and only lift a little girl under 10 in competitions?

Why are you talking about Li as useless partner?

He used to do ice dancing with an adult woman

He can lift a woman normally

Why to make a remark like that if you didn't even bother to research about his background???

 

[On My Own]

Well It's happening
Sui training with Ze‘En Li yesterday

http://xhslink.com/B/yXIwnG

If it's at all true, then I have serious questions about why she didn't want to go with Jin Yang or Yang Yongchao, or any number of others. What exactly is the point of such a pairing?

 

[ajingmarg]

If it's at all true, then I have serious questions about why she didn't want to go with Jin Yang or Yang Yongchao, or any number of others. What exactly is the point of such a pairing?

She doesn't want to work with Jin Yang although Jin had an initiative. Sui thinks JY isn't good enough for her as a partner and she doesn't think JY's style and body line fit her. Yang Yongchao is even worse than JY as a skater. He is too short for her, she wants someone with long and modern lines

YYC has retired and became a coach and doesn't want to skate competitively any more.

SUI sees Li as the best choice in the country for her right now.

What's wrong with Li?

Tall and he was an ice dancer. He was paired with an adult woman

 

[ajingmarg]

What else can she achieve by pairing up with a guy who can barely lift 90kg on a bench press and only lift a little girl under 10 in competitions?

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This is Li. He can lift a woman normally

 

[On My Own]

That video just proves raruki's point. And I have my doubts that he's an ice dancer, after watching that...

I really doubt this pairing, if at all true, will work out. He might be the only guy in Heilongjiang who's not currently doing anything else and so is ready to pair up, but c'mon.

 

[On My Own]

He is too short for her, she wants someone with long and modern lines

And she thinks Li has those...? People have the right to question her sanity, if so.

And sorry, Han Cong was even shorter than Yang Yongchao. And Yang Yongchao being "even worse" than Jin Yang doesn't mean he's worse than Li.

Again, I know these are the "rumours", but let's see if this "pairing" is at all real. A tryout doesn't mean anything, and watching that video, it's not even a tryout - they're doing basic skating exercises/warm ups. Remember that Wenjing is a choreographer now, so that could easily be the reason behind that. She might also need a show partner.

 

[raruki]

Lol, He is even a former ice dancer and Sui even has to sacrifice her time to teach him how to do a proper crossover.

 

[otisgear]

Lol, they were 'training' at a mall rink at a public session

 

[otisgear]

What's wrong with Li?

Seriously, go see his shaky 90kg bench press and tell me he'd be a good pairs man. Or maybe the fact that he hasn't done pairs with anyone older than 11 years old should say something...

It's not like there's an overwhelming number of pairs man that he can't find an age appropriate partner who he can compete internationally with if he's even a half decent pairs man.

 

[tony]

Seriously, go see his shaky 90kg bench press and tell me he'd be a good pairs man. Or maybe the fact that he hasn't done pairs with anyone older than 11 years old should say something...

It's not like there's an overwhelming number of pairs man that he can't find an age appropriate partner who he can compete internationally with if he's even a half decent pairs man.

I’m not sure what a 90kg bench press (which is quite a lot for figure skaters— and in general) is going to show, seeing how the women he’s lifting are not 200 pounds.

 

[kwanfan1818]

I thought I saw a formula posted here that converted X lbs/kg's of human weight to Y lbs/kg's of solid weight, because the human had a different weight distribution, were moving in a different trajectory, and moved of their own will, so you needed to practice more solid weight.

 

[otisgear]

I’m not sure what a 90kg bench press (which is quite a lot for figure skaters— and in general) is going to show, seeing how the women he’s lifting are not 200 pounds.

Han has said many times before that his max needs to be 3x Sui's bodyweight, which at the absolute lowest is 40kgx3=120kg. And bench press would definitely be more than this.

 

[otisgear]

Seriously, even if you have no idea what the strength requirement for a pairs man is, the fact that he has never competed with anyone older than 11 should be enough to give you an idea of his ability.

 

[Marco]

Time to dig Zhang Hao out of retirement!

Seriously though, Sui & Han were so beautiful. Let's not ruin this with another poor and desperate comeback attempt.

 

[On My Own]

Isn't it just logical that someone would need to practice lifting far larger weights than their partners when we're talking about moving parts, various lifts and throws, and an actual human being as opposed to solid objects?

 

[otisgear]

Not to mention twist lifts are literally throwing a person above your head and catching without her crashing into you. Barely even able to bench press a certain weight definitely does not mean you can throw that amount above your weight and catch it without being crushed

 

[On My Own]

Nebelhorn lists are out, and Jin's not on them. So I would guess this season they've decided not to send skaters to CS events, because I doubt anyone's going to show up at Ondrej Nepela. (jury's out on Zagreb for now, of course)

 

[Karen-W]

Nebelhorn lists are out, and Jin's not on them. So I would guess this season they've decided not to send skaters to CS events, because I doubt anyone's going to show up at Ondrej Nepela. (jury's out on Zagreb for now, of course)

Well, I don't think it's unreasonable to think that some of the China-based skaters in singles & ice dance could be sent to Denis Ten Memorial. It's a heck of a lot closer to fly to Astana than anywhere in Europe.

 

[tony]

Han has said many times before that his max needs to be 3x Sui's bodyweight, which at the absolute lowest is 40kgx3=120kg. And bench press would definitely be more than this.

What in the world am I reading here? Han is a very small guy, and I read that he was around 135 pounds. He's not lifting 264 pounds with any kind of consistency. That's not normal, at all. Maybe if we are talking one rep max where they try it one time and successfully do it.. there's a very, very slight chance. Otherwise... just no.

 

[ajingmarg]

What in the world am I reading here? Han is a very small guy, and I read that he was around 135 pounds. He's not lifting 264 pounds with any kind of consistency. That's not normal, at all. Maybe if we are talking one rep max where they try it one time and successfully do it.. there's a very, very slight chance. Otherwise... just no.

Obviously someone cannot do Maths correctly

 

[On My Own]

I eagerly await the Sui/Li pairing, with the blessings of Kagiyama Yuma's +5 quality Lutz.

 

[On My Own]

Well, I don't think it's unreasonable to think that some of the China-based skaters in singles & ice dance could be sent to Denis Ten Memorial. It's a heck of a lot closer to fly to Astana than anywhere in Europe.

I think they'll show up at Shanghai Trophy, if it's happening. It'll likely be Jin, Peng/Wang, An, and whoever the top ranked senior ID team is supposed to be (and maybe the rank 2s for each field).

A pity that it doesn't count for tech mins, AFAIK, which An and the top ranked ID team will lack. Fingers crossed you're right, but I doubt it, and the fed can pretend it gave an opportunity to its skaters by inviting them to this fluff event, while expending minimum travel/lodging costs.

 

[Karen-W]

I think they'll show up at Shanghai Trophy, if it's happening. It'll likely be Jin, Peng/Wang, An, and whoever the top ranked senior ID team is supposed to be (and maybe the rank 2s for each field).

A pity that it doesn't count for tech mins, AFAIK, which An and the top ranked ID team will lack. Fingers crossed you're right, but I doubt it, and the fed can pretend it gave an opportunity to its skaters by inviting them to this fluff event, while expending minimum travel/lodging costs.

Oh, I forgot about that event. Even if they sent a couple of the lower-ranked skaters to Denis Ten that would be good - Yudong, Daiwei, Hongyi, Yi, and their #2 ID team.

 

[coralline]

Well, I don't think it's unreasonable to think that some of the China-based skaters in singles & ice dance could be sent to Denis Ten Memorial. It's a heck of a lot closer to fly to Astana than anywhere in Europe.

Well Denis Ten Memorial is the same time as Shanghai Trophy. Usually Chinese top skaters are bound to do Shanghai Trophy. So I won't keep my expectations high…

 

[On My Own]

Well Denis Ten Memorial is the same time as Shanghai Trophy. Usually Chinese top skaters are bound to do Shanghai Trophy. So I won't keep my expectations high…

As she says, they can still send at least an ID team and one of the women to Denis Ten Memorial to get those tech mins. Jin and Peng/Wang can go to the Shanghai Trophy, but they don't need to pretend everyone's on equal footing there beyond those skaters. That's the bare minimum they ought to be doing, even though they won't. Ideally, it'll be every skater she named.

I know they won't, of course. But it's silly.

 

[On My Own]

Oh, I forgot about that event. Even if they sent a couple of the lower-ranked skaters to Denis Ten that would be good - Yudong, Daiwei, Hongyi, Yi, and their #2 ID team.

Luckily, Day, An, and Cheng Jiaying are all showing up at Asian Open.

 

[Karen-W]

Luckily, Day, An, and Cheng Jiaying are all showing up at Asian Open.

Where are the entry lists for that comp?

 

[On My Own]

Where are the entry lists for that comp?

I'll have to find the official announcement on weibo, but for now here's a tweet with screenshots: https://x.com/eunju975/status/1826613822934974853

 

[Karen-W]

I'll have to find the official announcement on weibo, but for now here's a tweet with screenshots: https://x.com/eunju975/status/1826613822934974853

Nice! Japanese skate-off for their Men's NHK TBD spot maybe?