U.S. Women [#3]: Skating Clean

[skatfan]

wrong thread

 

[Sylvia]

JGP Egna SP scores:
5 Soho LEE USA 61.73 34.76 26.97 6.89 6.64 6.75 0.00 #34
7 Sherry ZHANG USA 57.85 32.05 25.80 6.50 6.39 6.50 0.00 #1

Sherry Zhang, who will be 14 in December, is in 7th place after having led off the JGP Egna SP event today; this is her JGP debut and she was SO animated in the kiss & cry afterwards : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP-1AOyG8Ik
She landed 3Lz+2T & 3Lo then stepped out of her 2A. Sherry competed at the Intermediate level in U.S. qualifying competitions last year (as did fellow JGP competitor Logan Higase-Chen).

Soho Lee, 13, is in 5th: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX1oYD3G1t8
Jumps landed were 3Lz+3T<, 3Lo & 2A plus all L4 spins.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Shout out to Ava Marie for coming in fourth place in the short program in Budapest. She also has the highest PCS of them all

4. Ava Marie 55.59

10. Gabrielle Izzo 52.01

 

[VGThuy]

PCS is a good sign as it indicates judges’ support.

 

[Sylvia]

2022 U.S. Junior silver medalist Ava Ziegler rose from 4th in the SP to win both TES & PCS in the Women's FS today and the GOLD in her senior international debut at at CS Budapest Trophy! She scored 185.83 total (previous ISU PB was 176.29 in the JGP in SVK last year). She was 4th in the Philadelphia Summer International in early August with 146.26 and improved to 160.01 in winning the bronze at the MidAtlantics club comp. in NYC last month, so steady progress!

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Ava Marie ZIEGLER

USA

130.24​

66.67​

63.57​

7.89​

7.96​

7.96​

0.00​

#17​

Ziegler's 1st place FS to "Love in the Dark" by Adele: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkYkvQ7PQk0

 

[mtnskater]

Wow! Way to go Ava! ? I see so much improvement since the last time I saw her on the junior Grand Prix last season. She looks senior ready. Love the way she expresses music.

 

[Deleted member 221]

Ava Ziegler’s mom, Patricia Mansfield, last competed at US Nationals in senior in 2003, I believe.

Assuming we see Ava at Nationals, it will be a gap of only 20 years between mother and daughter in seniors. Is there any other mother-daughter with a smaller time period between appearances in seniors, or is this the quickest? This is a smaller gap than Maribel Vinson Owen and Maribel Jr (counting senior pairs) or Laurence.

 

[Sylvia]

Dug out my January 2019 U.S. Nationals post from the Archives (linked NJ local article is still online):

For those who may remember Patricia Mansfield (competed at 3 Nationals in Senior - in 1994, 5th in 1995 & 2002 at the age of 28), her daughter Ava Ziegler is competing this morning in the Juvenile Girls event. They are mentioned in this 1/13/19 New Jersey article on 6 local Juvenile skaters: https://www.dailyrecord.com/story/l...-skating-championships-nj-skaters/2496495002/

ETA that Ava won the pewter (4th place) medal.

Ava jumped from Intermediate (2019-20) to Junior (2020-21), skipping the Novice level: https://usfigureskatingfanzone.com/sports/figure-skating/roster/ava-ziegler/714

 

[Frau Muller]

JGP Egna SP scores:
5 Soho LEE USA 61.73 34.76 26.97 6.89 6.64 6.75 0.00 #34
7 Sherry ZHANG USA 57.85 32.05 25.80 6.50 6.39 6.50 0.00 #1

Sherry Zhang, who will be 14 in December, is in 7th place after having led off the JGP Egna SP event today; this is her JGP debut and she was SO animated in the kiss & cry afterwards : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP-1AOyG8Ik
She landed 3Lz+2T & 3Lo then stepped out of her 2A. Sherry competed at the Intermediate level in U.S. qualifying competitions last year (as did fellow JGP competitor Logan Higase-Chen).

Soho Lee, 13, is in 5th: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX1oYD3G1t8
Jumps landed were 3Lz+3T<, 3Lo & 2A plus all L4 spins.

Sherry Zhang was the highest US women’s finisher at JGP Egna: 6th. Soho Lee finished 7th overall. Many competitors had problems in these finals.

ISU JGP Egna-Neumarkt 2022 - Junior Women

www.isuresults.com

 

[Deleted member 221]

For those who may remember Patricia Mansfield (competed at 3 Nationals in Senior - in 1994, 5th in 1995 & 2002 at the age of 28)

Patricia Mansfield skated at four Nationals in senior - she competed in 2003, too. (I double checked just in case I was hallucinating her performances in Dallas - lord only knows the rest of that Nationals seems hallucinogenic. )

 

[Trillian]

2022 U.S. Junior silver medalist Ava Ziegler rose from 4th in the SP to win both TES & PCS in the Women's FS today and the GOLD in her senior international debut at at CS Budapest Trophy!

I’m excited to see this - Ava has never seemed to get as much buzz as some of the other girls, but she’s such a well-rounded skater and her technique looks very sustainable to me. I think she has the potential to do very well at nationals this year.

I really liked her mom’s skating back in the day, too, but I’ll try not to focus on the part where that makes me feel old.

 

[Sylvia]

Incorporating @haribobo's latest total scores list and updating now that the JGP season is over and the GP season is about to start...

Yet to compete: Bradie Tennell (registered for next week's Senior B in Nice, France)

ISU Season Best total scores so far (highest U.S. NQS, other domestic comp. and/or Senior B int'l score included):
198.99 Isabeau LEVITO CS Ondrej Nepela Memorial GOLD (210.49 won MidAtlantics NQS in Sept.)
185.92 Soho LEE JGP Riga Cup SILVER (188.35 NQS Jr.)
185.83 Ava Marie ZIEGLER CS Budapest Trophy GOLD (160.01 3rd at Middle Atlantics NQS)
177.71 Mia KALIN JGP Baltic Cup, 4th (184.16 NQS Jr.)
177.01 Amber GLENN CS Lombardia Trophy, 4th (166.73 Cranberry Int'l bronze)
176.44 Audrey SHIN CS U.S. International FS Classic, 4th (175.89 Cranberry Int'l gold)
175.55 Hanna HARRELL CS Lombardia Trophy, 5th (173.57 NQS)
174.46 Sonja HILMER CS U.S. International FS Classic, 5th (177.72 NQS; 167.68 Cranberry Int'l silver)
171.88 Sherry ZHANG JGP Egna-Neumark, 6th in her debut this weekend (169.46 NQS Jr.)
170.33 Clare SEO JGP Solidarity Cup, 8th (185.10 Broadmoor Open in June; 178.76 Senior NQS)
169.42 Josephine LEE JGP Baltic Cup, 7th (178.63 in Senior NQS)
165.09 Lindsay THORNGREN CS Finlandia Trophy, 6th (203.62 Philly Summer Int'l; 196.53 2nd at Middle Atlantics NQS)
158.38 Elyce LIN-GRACEY JGP Baltic Cup, 9th (180.45 NQS Jr.)
156.60 Starr ANDREWS CS Nebelhorn Trophy, 6th (158.59 NQS)
153.23 Gabriella IZZO CS Budapest Trophy, 8th place today (season debut)
145.30 Hannah HERRERA JGP Riga Cup, 9th (155.49 Sr. at Broadmoor Open; 152.84 NQS Jr.)
144.20 Alena BUDKO CS Ondrej Nepela Memorial, 6th (172.70 NQS)
144.13 Sarah EVERHARDT JGP Courchevel, 10th (165.16 NQS Jr.)
143.97 Logan HIGASE-CHEN JGP Solidarity Cup, 15th (170.38 NQS Jr.)
142.53 Jill HEINER CS U.S. International FS Classic, 7th (165.19 NQS)
138.89 Gracie GOLD CS Nebelhorn Trophy, 12th (180.26 Philly Summer Int'l)
109.90 Hannah LOFTON CS Finlandia Trophy, 23rd (170.21 NQS)
Total: 22 women (so far): 9 in JGP, 13 in CS

Other top Senior scores of those who don't have an ISU SB score:
Elsa Cheng 173.56 (NQS)
Ting Cui 167.30 (NQS)
Maryn Pierce 165.80 (NQS)
Finley Hawk 161.94 (NQS)
Kate Wang 160.81 (NQS); Skate Canada International will be her senior int'l season & GP debut
Wren Warne-Jacobsen 160.49 MN Champs (152.44 NQS)
Paige Rydberg 160.36 (U.S. Collegiate Championships)
Audrey Lu 159.51 (U.S. Collegiate Championships; started freshman year at UCLA)

Top 3 NQS Junior scores of those who don't have an ISU SB score:
Katie Krafchik 168.85 (130.87 Philly Int'l Jr. 3rd)
Mia Barghout 160.82 (133.34 Philly Int'l Jr. 2nd)
Sonia Baram 154.52 (has qualified for JGP Final in pairs with Tioumentsev)

Also: Phoebe Stubblefield 151.90 (Cranberry Int'l bronze; 150.10 NQS)

 

[SkateFanBerlin]

Happy for Ziegler. But, it was officially a no 3-3 competition.

 

[bladesofgorey]

2022 U.S. Junior silver medalist Ava Ziegler rose from 4th in the SP to win both TES & PCS in the Women's FS today and the GOLD in her senior international debut at at CS Budapest Trophy! She scored 185.83 total (previous ISU PB was 176.29 in the JGP in SVK last year). She was 4th in the Philadelphia Summer International in early August with 146.26 and improved to 160.01 in winning the bronze at the MidAtlantics club comp. in NYC last month, so steady progress!

1​

Ava Marie ZIEGLER

USA

130.24​

66.67​

63.57​

7.89​

7.96​

7.96​

0.00​

#17​

Ziegler's 1st place FS to "Love in the Dark" by Adele: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkYkvQ7PQk0

Way to go Ava! She's always been such a powerful skater, it's so nice to see she's been able to harness that power. Fantastic skate.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Holy moly Isabeau, Lindsay and Amber have serious competition I think in Ava Marie. 130+ in the free program and I’ve been a fan of her since I first noticed her on the junior Grand Prix two seasons ago. She needs a bit more technical content but she really has it all if you ask me

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Happy for Ziegler. But, it was officially a no 3-3 competition.

and? She straight out of juniors and already has Mariah Bell content technically. And I like her landings and flow out a lot. Can’t wait to see her progress. Like Mariah I think she expresses her music really well

Added a moment later, oh wait do you mean none of the competitors did a triple triple? OK now I got it

 

[Karen-W]

and? She straight out of juniors and already has Mariah Bell content technically. And I like her landings and flow out a lot. Can’t wait to see her progress. Like Mariah I think she expresses her music really well

Added a moment later, oh wait do you mean none of the competitors did a triple triple? OK now I got it

Yes, this was a very weak field, even for a Challenger. Her score today would have earned silver at US Classic & Nepela, and bronze at Nebelhorn, while she would have been just off the podium in 4th at Lombardia and 5th at Finlandia. It's still a very respectable score, even without a 3-3.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Yes, this was a very weak field, even for a Challenger. Her score today would have earned silver at US Classic & Nepela, and bronze at Nebelhorn, while she would have been just off the podium in 4th at Lombardia and 5th at Finlandia. It's still a very respectable score, even without a 3-3.

Do you think if USFSA had waited until today even though I know it’s way way too late they may have added Ava Marie to skate America?

 

[Karen-W]

Do you think if USFSA had waited until today even though I know it’s way way too late they may have added Ava Marie to skate America?

Doubtful. They love Gracie.

 

[Frau Muller]

Happy for Ziegler. But, it was officially a no 3-3 competition.

I saw a few 3-3 attempts. Or were they all downgraded, Q’d or whatever?

 

[SkateFanBerlin]

I saw a few 3-3 attempts. Or were they all downgraded, Q’d or whatever?

A fall, the one I saw. That poor woman from Moldova with the nasty looking knee brace.

 

[SkateFanBerlin]

and? She straight out of juniors and already has Mariah Bell content technically. And I like her landings and flow out a lot. Can’t wait to see her progress. Like Mariah I think she expresses her music really well

Added a moment later, oh wait do you mean none of the competitors did a triple triple? OK now I got it

Ja. Amazing, not one skater had one today. Oh well.

 

[Frau Muller]

A fall, the one I saw. That poor woman from Moldova with the nasty looking knee brace.

Right. There were others (other Estonians and Repond of Swiz, for ex) but they must have been downgraded.

 

[Seerek]

As mentioned earlier in the thread, Ava's mother Patricia Ziegler did make a final group of a U.S. Nationals w/Michelle Kwan, Nicole Bobek and Tonia Kwiatkowski.

Patricia Mansfield - 1995 U.S. Figure Skating Championships, Ladies' Long Program

Providence, Rhode Island, USA - 1995 United States Figure Skating Championships, Ladies' Long Program - Patricia Mansfield moved up from 6th to 5th Place ove...

www.youtube.com

 

[Lacey]

As mentioned earlier in the thread, Ava's mother Patricia Ziegler did make a final group of a U.S. Nationals w/Michelle Kwan, Nicole Bobek and Tonia Kwiatkowski.

Patricia Mansfield - 1995 U.S. Figure Skating Championships, Ladies' Long Program

Providence, Rhode Island, USA - 1995 United States Figure Skating Championships, Ladies' Long Program - Patricia Mansfield moved up from 6th to 5th Place ove...

www.youtube.com

Wait, if it's the same person, Patricia Mansfield was a coach at Ardmore, PA for a few years, I think we called her Tricia, she was fabulous!

Good for her if she has a daughter who is a great skater!

P.S. I am now recollecting that I heard about her daughter before...I just need to pay attention!

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

As mentioned earlier in the thread, Ava's mother Patricia Ziegler did make a final group of a U.S. Nationals w/Michelle Kwan, Nicole Bobek and Tonia Kwiatkowski.

Patricia Mansfield - 1995 U.S. Figure Skating Championships, Ladies' Long Program

Providence, Rhode Island, USA - 1995 United States Figure Skating Championships, Ladies' Long Program - Patricia Mansfield moved up from 6th to 5th Place ove...

www.youtube.com

wowwwwww Back when a free program was actually a free program and you could have some originality and some unique movement. That was great. And how cool that Oksana Baiul in the American audience

I was watching some women’s gymnastics this past weekend on YouTube and so much of figure skating and then the beam and the uneven bars and the floor exercises everybody does the same exact stuff. No more unique dismount on uneven bars no more unique movements. And just like figure skating everyone does the same stuff including the same exact music now. I do miss when a free program was a free program.

90% of figure skaters end with two spins at the end of the program. I wish they would change the rules to include more freedom for the free state

And now this season in figure skating so many skaters are doing the triple jump into a double axle. Don’t think I need to see it from everybody. Just getting so repetitive and formulaic.

She was under Marked on technical and artistic.

 

[bladesofgorey]

Wait, if it's the same person, Patricia Mansfield was a coach at Ardmore, PA for a few years, I think we called her Tricia, she was fabulous!

Good for her if she has a daughter who is a great skater!

Yes, it's the same person

 

[Jarrett]

2022 U.S. Junior silver medalist Ava Ziegler rose from 4th in the SP to win both TES & PCS in the Women's FS today and the GOLD in her senior international debut at at CS Budapest Trophy! She scored 185.83 total (previous ISU PB was 176.29 in the JGP in SVK last year). She was 4th in the Philadelphia Summer International in early August with 146.26 and improved to 160.01 in winning the bronze at the MidAtlantics club comp. in NYC last month, so steady progress!

1​

Ava Marie ZIEGLER

USA

130.24​

66.67​

63.57​

7.89​

7.96​

7.96​

0.00​

#17​

Ziegler's 1st place FS to "Love in the Dark" by Adele: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkYkvQ7PQk0

Susanna Poykio reborn and I love it!

 

[Sylvia]

Fan Zone article on Amber by Darci Miller (Oct. 17) ahead of Skate America:

Amber Glenn Heads to Skate America with New Coaching Team and Renewed Love of the Sport - U.S. Figure Skating Fan Zone

Consider this season the start of a new chapter for Amber Glenn.

usfigureskatingfanzone.com

40-second "Meet Isabeau Levito" video (likely filmed at Champs Camp): https://twitter.com/USFigureSkating/status/1582099629381779457

 

[Bouffantrex]

Extremely impressed with Ziegler. She has improved leaps and bounds since last year. To me, what was most amazing about Ziegler's long program in Budapest was how she attacked the program, did not hold back one iota, and actually performed the program for the full 4 minutes, unlike so many others who don't perform until the jumping passes are complete--what a concept! We need more skaters like her.

I'm looking forward to seeing her at Nationals and am hopeful she receives another Challenger assignment.

And now this season in figure skating so many skaters are doing the triple jump into a double axle.

I too wish the skaters had more freedom in the long program, but at least the triple/double axel sequence is more pleasing on the eyes than those awful step outs disguised as half loops.

Happy for Ziegler. But, it was officially a no 3-3 competition.

This is an antiquated way of looking at jump layouts. She completed six triple jumps and two double axels here. Without Trimetazidine-fueled Russians in the event, this level of content is competitive internationally. And god knows it's more than enough domestically.