Chinese Skating News, Pt. 3: A long & winding road to Beijing 2022
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raruki
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LoL, what is the timing of releasing the videos and protocol of the Olympic Trials？ Basically, just want to distract the public attention from their ignorance and incompetence of not registering for the worlds championship？
Why not just release all the videos and results in the first place when people started to question the qualification of Zhu Yi？
When the Chinese netizens started to cyberbully Zhu Yi speculating her using her dad's influence to influence the results, Where was CFSA? Where were Shen and Zhao？They basically did nothing and let the poor girl suffer.
Feel insanely sickening about this organization, and I feel no hope about the Chinese figure skating.
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I went through some of the Chinese news clips of S/H from this past quad. Naturally Zhao was filmed coaching them at rink-side and giving interviews. From these brief snippets I did get the impression that, even though he has a wealth of training and competitive experience himself, he didn’t necessarily manage to find the best way to synthesize and articulate his knowledge/experience for his students. Some of the stuff he said to S/H sounded simply generic and dated. But S/H still very much look up to S/Z, judging from their own words. And I think/hope they at least were able to experience a new way of looking at/feeling skating through Lori Nichol. It’s good that Zhao connected his skaters with her.
But I hope, for the sake of their own health, that S/H retire now that they’ve accomplished what they did in Beijing. Some of the injury stories (not just the most public ones) were quite upsetting and worrying. I am not confident that Zhao has managed to secure the best/most qualified physical trainers and therapists for S/H.
But I hope, for the sake of their own health, that S/H retire now that they’ve accomplished what they did in Beijing. Some of the injury stories (not just the most public ones) were quite upsetting and worrying. I am not confident that Zhao has managed to secure the best/most qualified physical trainers and therapists for S/H.
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I've seen P/J's fan page (presumably in touch with the skaters) saying the Federation is working on this - well I hope it's true then and good luck.
Please, let it be true!
I've always had a soft spot for them, but besides that, to deprive them of a Gold medal that could be theirs by right would be a crime!
Please, keep us updated!
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Han Yan has been posting lately on his Instagram account — Happy 26th Birthday to him today! 
(March 6): https://www.instagram.com/p/Caw9yWoFcR6/
(March 6): https://www.instagram.com/p/Caw9yWoFcR6/My guess is that everyone was 1000% focused on the Olympics both before and during it and no one cared to upload the videos of the trials until now. Those were ad hoc competitions (announced last November / December) and I doubt they were ever equipped or organized enough to intend to publish those vidoes and details right away.
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This. To me it seems a much better explanation than people not able to read papers in English. Every single FSU communication and mail is written in English and people at the Chinese Fed always understood English very well until now.
kwanfan1818
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That doesn't make sense for why they wouldn't submit Peng/Jin, or both Pairs and then withdraw Sui/Han, or even both, later. When did they have an issue withdrawing skaters, or even dropping events they had committed, and in some cases applied for, and still being awarded new ones?
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They didn't intend on sending either pair. Sui/Han were done after winning in Beijing and some reporters, like Nick McCarvel, have said they heard that from Sui while in Beijing.
As far as Peng/Jin... the Chinese fed determined that they weren't going to contend with BoiKoz for a medal at Worlds so why send them when they are also injured? It wasn't until the day after the entry deadline that the ban on Russian/Belarusian skaters was announced and, at that point, the Chinese fed realized Peng/Jin could probably win, so they tried to say "oh, email got buried in our inbox, and in the aftermath of the Olympics, we just forgot there was the deadline!"
It doesn't appear that the ISU bought this flimsy excuse from the Chinese fed - and I probably wouldn't have either, especially if the only skater/team they were trying to enter was, coincidentally, the only one in contention for a medal.
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When did that ever stop them from submitting skaters, and withdrawing them anyway? I'm surprised they didn't submit everyone, later to withdraw them.
And if they made the exception for Hendrickx on the same grounds, I don't see why they would suddenly get tough with China instead of letting it slide and allowing P/J to compete. Sui/Han have said publicly that they weren't planning to compete, Jin is injured, and China has long been meh about sending women, even to Cup of China, and even when they had a skater who was competitive. So no outlying behavior aside from missing the deadline.
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They're trying to CYA for not entering them in the first place and, others have pointed out, there are actually several deadlines as well as payments that need to be made, with the skaters by name being just one of those deadlines. It is possible that the Belgian fed had made their payments and hit the rest of the deadlines and just missed the skater by name deadline of 2/28 while the Chinese fed did not do any of those things. In that scenario, why should the ISU accept a sudden change of heart on the part of the Chinese fed that, oh yes, this was just an administrative oversight? Especially if there had been private conversations in Beijing which left the impression that the Chinese fed was going to give Worlds a pass this year?
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I get why they're doing it: what I don't understand is why they didn't submit names, and then withdraw them later, which is their usual MO.
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does anyone have knowledge that China definitely tried to submit P/J late to Worlds, or is this just speculation??
AxelAnnie
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I can't imagine what you are talking about
Well....that is put together out of whole cloth and supposition.Rumors say that Shen and Zhao forgot to register. (Sorry that I have deleted the previous posts)
But the truth is that Shen and Zhao and the whole CFSA didn't want to compete in the first place because the preparation for the Olympics was indeed demanding(but the truth is Shen and Zhao completely ruined the second-tiered and lower-tiered of the whole figure skating team(by asking them to go back to their provincial training camp) and some top-tiered skaters have to surgery(Wang and Liu, Boyang Jin), so there were no substitutes to replace).
After Sui/Han won the gold medal, Shen and Zhao didn't care about the national training teams anymore, what they wanted to have was waiting for an awarding ceremony organized by the Chinese sports authority to award them as the "gold medal coaches". But when the Russians were baned, they thought it was a good time for them to let Peng and Jin win the world championships and they can become the "double gold medals coaches", but THEY DIDN'T CHECK THE DOCUMENTS AND CHECK THEIR MAILBOX WHICH IS FILLED WITH TONS OF THE ANNOUNCEMENTS AND LETTERS FROM ISU AND LOCAL OLYMPIC COMMITTEE, and they missed the registration deadline.
Some of them might question how on earth a top manager for the sports can even miss the deadline of registration, but this is something Shen and Zhao definitely will do. They have miscalculated the ranking scores for Sui and Han during the 2018 winter Olympics by not knowing the rules, and I am not surprised at all about this stupid sh!tshow.
Shen and Zhao have started to bargain with ISU and hope that they can compete. Wish that they can know how to negotiate with them by using clear and understandable English
You are asserting that an Olympic medal coaching team doesn't know what it takes to keep skaters and competitive
I just have to ask: if you are a world class skater, as were your coaches, and you have been meeting all kinds of deadlines for events that could make or break your future...how could you miss a deadline for a competition. Answer; you don't.
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There's no indication that China tried to submit any world entries at any time.
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Wyliefan
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It's really wild to watch a skating program that just won an Olympic gold medal self-destruct.
Miezekatze
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Their state run skating program might just have been mainly targeted at the Olympics in their home country.
With Covid and NoCovid strategy on top, it might not be considered financially and politically worth it to concentrate on it in the same way after the Olympics.
With Covid and NoCovid strategy on top, it might not be considered financially and politically worth it to concentrate on it in the same way after the Olympics.
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I’m mystified as to why China wouldn’t have at least sent Peng/Jin to Worlds, given that they would seem likely to medal.
Of course, the lack of interest in/support for Han Yan is also mystifying.
This makes no sense. They've had a strong state run pair's program long before Beijing was picked to host in 2022 (announced in 2015). They've had their state sponsored pair's program before the bidding process started, with their first medal coming in 2002. So while China does get more aggressive about state sponsorship prior to an Olympics they host, they haven't completely ignored skating outside of that.
AxelAnnie
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I do not disagree. However when was the last time China acted logically
Japanfan
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IIRC no one wanted to step up and run the pair program in China after 2022.
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If the ISU wants to keep two NA GP events, two European and 2 Asian, it would make sense to make Japan and South Korea the two host countries from Asia. Those are the two countries with contenders, seemingly for years to come. China seems too risky a place for a permanent GP event anymore. SK seems to make a lot more sense in today's day and age. Given the current climate, I also think the ISU should pull CoR for the time being, and assign it somewhere else, at least for the next year or two.
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