Grand Prix 2021-22 Season Potential Assignments

[Sylvia]

Nicolas Nadeau finished 6th in the Virtual Skate Canada Challenge behind Sadovsky, Nguyen, Corey Circelli (has one more year of ISU Junior age eligibility), Joseph Phan and Conrad Orzel. (Keegan Messing did not compete.)

ETA:

The World Team Trophy segment scores were added together and included in the ISU SB total scores lists:

Season Best Total Scores 2020/21​

Men (44)	Ladies (52)	Pairs (22)	Ice Dance (27)
Total	Total	Total	Total
Short Program	Short Program	Short Program	Rhythm Dance
Free Skating	Free Skating	Free Skating	Free Dance

 

[Colonel Green]

ETA- Gutmann, Negrello, Schumacher all made it into top 24 SB along with Paganini.

If they end up using the Top 24 list in the usual manner, there'd be Italian ladies on the Grand Prix for the first time since Kostner left.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Is Vincent now in danger for two Grand Prix assignments?

 

[Frau Muller]

I hope USFSA throws Amber the love and gives her skate America again since they passed her over for worlds

I think Amber gets two spots, hopefully skate America is one of them

I’d also love to see Amber at Skate America! Decision on who to invite (3rd US lady at SkAm) will likely be made after Nebelhorn...we’ll know WHO went to Nebelhorn and how she performed.

I’m pretty sure that one of the three SkAm slots is for Bradie as US champ. Toyota is the main sponsor, so Alysa will likely be there, regardless of whether or not she’s sent to Nebelhorn & the results there.

Then there’s the 3rd - usually “tbd” - slot. If someone other than Alysa is sent to Nebelhorn & does amazingly well (such as Amber or Mariah), then that person will likely be the “tbd slot” at SkAm.

If Alysa goes to Nebelhorn, she’s already likely going to SkAm...in which case NBC and sponsors may ask for Starr Andrews, assuming that Starr will have been improving her tech during summer.

I see several scenarios for who’ll fill the SkAm “tbd lady slot,” in other words.

There’s also Chen but I bet that she’ll be sent to SkCanada and/or GP France. Don’t they usually split the top-2 US ladies (based on performance at Worlds) between SkAm and SkCan? We know that neither Tennell nor Chen will be at Nebelhorn.

 

[Karen-W]

I’d also love to see Amber at Skate America! Decision on who to invite (3rd US lady at SkAm) will likely be made after Nebelhorn...we’ll know WHO went to Nebelhorn and how she performed.

I’m pretty sure that one of the three SkAm slots is for Bradie as US champ. Toyota is the main sponsor, so Alysa will likely be there, regardless of whether or not she’s sent to Nebelhorn & the results there.

Then there’s the 3rd - usually “tbd” - slot. If someone other than Alysa is sent to Nebelhorn & does amazingly well (such as Amber or Mariah), then that person will likely be the “tbd slot” at SkAm.

If Alysa goes to Nebelhorn, she’s already likely going to SkAm...in which case NBC and sponsors may ask for Starr Andrews, assuming that Starr will have been improving her tech during summer.

I see several scenarios for who’ll fill the SkAm “tbd lady slot,” in other words.

There’s also Chen but I bet that she’ll be sent to SkCanada and/or GP France. Don’t they usually split the top-2 US ladies (based on performance at Worlds) between SkAm and SkCan? We know that neither Tennell nor Chen will be at Nebelhorn.

Chen is going to be the #4 pick by the GP feds based on her Worlds finish. I'm sure the USFS will consult with her prior to the GP meeting and let the other feds know what her preferences are. SkCan and IdF seem like reasonable bets.

Per haribobo's calculations, Amber is expected to wind up in the top 24 WS when those are recalculated, same with Starr, so neither of them will be in need of the SkAm host pick. Odds are strong that those will go to Alysa and Mariah, especially if they can't manage to pick up an invitation to a 2nd GP - hopefully CoC will invite one of them since they rarely use their 3 host picks for Chinese ladies (my guess would be Shan Lin gets one of the host spots and they thank the USFS for inviting her to SkAm this past fall by inviting either Bell or Liu).

Also, aren’t Challenger champs put on the alternate list? I can see a lot of the early Challengers packed with some of these skaters who are out of the top 24 due to the unusual 2020-21 season and its effect on the WS rankings.

 

[mattiecat13]

Does anyone know when GP series rosters will be announced? I believe it’s usually in June but I thought it was earlier before an Olympic season.

 

[Debbie S]

Does anyone know when GP series rosters will be announced? I believe it’s usually in June but I thought it was earlier before an Olympic season.

I think it's always been June. The host countries "meet" (presumably virtual this year) and assignments are published a couple days after that. The latest ISU communication (the Challenger events announcement) says there is an ISU Council meeting on June 3...perhaps the GP selections will be tacked on to that.

 

[Sylvia]

The GP assignments for the last Olympic season were published in late May 2017. There is an ISU Grand Prix Coordination Group and I believe they organize the annual meeting that decides GP distribution and are separate from the ISU Council.

 

[Vagabond]

If the ISU is basing eligibility on having a Season's Best Score in the Top 75, then Nebelhorn and Budapest have become the key events of the 2020-21 season.

 

[kwanfan1818]

Also, aren’t Challenger champs put on the alternate list?

At the bottom, after the Top 75 (minus skaters who remain in juniors and skaters not competing for the season/opting out of GP). Although hosts ignore the order of the alternates list all the time.

 

[Bulletsdad]

Any indication yet of location for 2021 Skate America?

 

[missing]

Any indication yet of location for 2021 Skate America?

Well, they just landed a helicopter on Mars.

 

[PRlady]

It would be nice to put it on the East Coast again, damn it.

 

[Spikefan]

I wish they would announce the SA location soon. I’m not sure I can do both SA and Nationals so waiting to hear where it is before I decide.

 

[Debbie S]

My guess is it will stay in Vegas, at least for another year. But maybe their lack of announcement by now means it will be moved.

 

[Sylvia]

Link to the Skate America 2021 returns to Las Vegas thread: https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/threads/skate-america-2021-returns-to-las-vegas.108270/

From USFS' 4/27 press release:
"The complete list of athletes selected to compete at 2021 Skate America and all other competitions will be announced in June."

 

[Sylvia]

Bumping up for @kwanfan1818...

If they (ISU) stick with Top 12 at Worlds for singles, and Top 24 SB and WS, only four US Men will be guaranteed GP spots, two each for Chen and Brown from Worlds Top 12, and one each for Pulkinen and Hiwatashi. Zhou is 25 in WS, but has no SB, and it's hard to imagine a scenario in which he isn't invited to SA, the only event in which he'd qualify for an invitation in the initial selection by the current rules.

I hope they do stick with Top 24 SB and WS guaranteed one: GP will look so, so different than it normally does, with the hosts and major Feds dominating everything in most years, and using OES skaters to fill out the first group, even when skaters high up the alternates list get nada.

There will be 72 spots to start, and under the last regular GP rules, some of these will go to:

• 18 host spots
• 24 guaranteed by Top 12 at 2021 Worlds
• 13 more guaranteed one from Top 24 SB
• 10 more guaranteed one from Top 24 WS

That's 65 spots right there, or seven open spots, but assuming that each host gives assignments to two skaters guaranteed at least one, that would leave another 12 spots open. So maybe 19 actually in play. But I suspect that the hosts will trade for second spots for those they are assigning to their own GPs and guaranteed one. And it doesn't count anyone else in the Top 75 -- right now, Top 44 -- who could be chosen in the initial selection.

The only skater from a host Fed who is on the SB list below 24 is Nam (30th), so maybe this year, winning an early CS might make a difference to the alternates list for singles. We've gone in circles about whether a [new] SB in the current season counts toward GP alternate assignments, but no discernable pattern has been perceived; for Zhou, winning a CS and getting an early alternates spot is probably his best bet, because USFS should have him queued up.

I don't see anyone who would qualify as a "Return" skater and is likely to return. Fernandez could for kicks and giggles, but why would he bother?

I mean, when is Demirboga or Zandron going to get a GP spot, unless being assigned by bypassing all of alternates list rules, let alone be guaranteed one, under the usual circumstances? Maybe Milyukov may have been invited to Rostelecom, as a BLR skater.

FWIW, I've heard late June is when the Grand Prix selection meeting is happening.

 

[oubik]

Bumping up for @kwanfan1818...


FWIW, I've heard late June is when the Grand Prix selection meeting is happening.

Heard it well, late June.

 

[Sylvia]

Looks like the ISU may be keeping the 2018/2019 points (70%) in the World Standings (the only WS points awarded this season were for the skaters/teams who qualified for the free skate portion of 2021 Worlds) for 2021 Grand Prix selection?

MEN http://www.isuresults.com/ws/ws/wsmen.htm
1 4080 Nathan CHEN USA
2 4002 Yuzuru HANYU JPN
3 3515 Shoma UNO JPN
4 3096 Jason BROWN USA
5 3046 Alexander SAMARIN RUS
6 2957 Dmitri ALIEV RUS
7 2859 Matteo RIZZO ITA
8 2794 Keegan MESSING CAN
9 2721 Junhwan CHA KOR
10 2719 Morisi KVITELASHVILI GEO
11 2708 Yuma KAGIYAMA JPN
12 2694 Kevin AYMOZ FRA
13 2688 Daniel GRASSL ITA
14 2571 Boyang JIN CHN
15 2123 Nam NGUYEN CAN
16 2111 Mikhail KOLYADA RUS
17 2075 Deniss VASILJEVS LAT
18 1923 Artur DANIELIAN RUS
19 1907 Camden PULKINEN USA
20 1861 Keiji TANAKA JPN
21 1697 Michal BREZINA CZE
22 1687 Petr GUMENNIK RUS
23 1658 Tomoki HIWATASHI USA
24 1653 Adam SIAO HIM FA FRA
25 1652 Vincent ZHOU USA

LADIES http://www.isuresults.com/ws/ws/wsladies.htm
1 4196 Rika KIHIRA JPN
2 3726 Anna SHCHERBAKOVA RUS
3 3452 Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA RUS
4 3396 Alexandra TRUSOVA RUS
5 3203 Bradie TENNELL USA
6 2927 Kaori SAKAMOTO JPN
7 2873 Satoko MIYAHARA JPN
8 2760 Alena KOSTORNAIA RUS
9 2666 Alina ZAGITOVA RUS - not likely to compete
10 2537 Eunsoo LIM KOR
11 2414 Sofia SAMODUROVA RUS
12 2368 Young YOU KOR
13 2192 Evgenia MEDVEDEVA RUS
14 2111 Ekaterina RYABOVA AZE
15 2102 Yelim KIM KOR
16 2020 Mariah BELL USA
17 1956 Karen CHEN USA
18 1830 Alexia PAGANINI SUI
19 1674 Wakaba HIGUCHI JPN
20 1582 Eva-Lotta KIIBUS EST
21 1562 Haein LEE KOR
22 1553 Starr ANDREWS USA
23 1482 Elizabet TURSYNBAEVA KAZ
24 1452 Nicole SCHOTT GER
25 1404 Loena HENDRICKX BEL

PAIRS http://www.isuresults.com/ws/ws/wspairs.htm
Removed: #12 (split) & 16 (retirement)
1 3662 Cheng PENG / Yang JIN CHN
2 3585 Aleksandra BOIKOVA / Dmitrii KOZLOVSKII RUS
3 3568 Anastasia MISHINA / Aleksandr GALLIAMOV RUS
4 3529 Evgenia TARASOVA / Vladimir MOROZOV RUS
5 3383 Kirsten MOORE-TOWERS / Michael MARINARO CAN
6 3120 Wenjing SUI / Cong HAN CHN
7 2840 Ashley CAIN-GRIBBLE / Timothy LEDUC USA
8 2736 Daria PAVLIUCHENKO / Denis KHODYKIN RUS
9 2730 Miriam ZIEGLER / Severin KIEFER AUT
10 2684 Nicole DELLA MONICA / Matteo GUARISE ITA
11 2536 Minerva Fabienne HASE / Nolan SEEGERT GER
13 1780 Rebecca GHILARDI / Filippo AMBROSINI ITA
14 1772 Apollinariia PANFILOVA / Dmitry RYLOV RUS
15 1763 Jessica CALALANG / Brian JOHNSON USA
17 1617 Evelyn WALSH / Trennt MICHAUD CAN
18 1420 Annika HOCKE / Robert KUNKEL GER
19 1338 Kseniia AKHANTEVA / Valerii KOLESOV RUS
20 1256 Audrey LU / Misha MITROFANOV USA
21 1209 Camille RUEST / Andrew WOLFE CAN (announced their retirement on 5/28/21)
22 1185 Tae Ok RYOM / Ju Sik KIM PRK
23 1165 Zoe JONES / Christopher BOYADJI GBR
24 1129 Riku MIURA / Ryuichi KIHARA JPN

ICE DANCE http://www.isuresults.com/ws/ws/wsdance.htm
1 4178 Victoria SINITSINA / Nikita KATSALAPOV RUS
2 3858 Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE USA
3 3827 Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER CAN
4 3695 Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI ITA
5 3570 Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES USA
6 3308 Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN RUS
7 3076 Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON FRA
8 2973 Lilah FEAR / Lewis GIBSON GBR
9 2693 Shiyue WANG / Xinyu LIU CHN
10 2646 Sara HURTADO / Kirill KHALIAVIN ESP
11 2518 Natalia KALISZEK / Maksym SPODYRIEV POL
12 2447 Kaitlin HAWAYEK / Jean-Luc BAKER USA
13 2446 Olivia SMART / Adrian DIAZ ESP
14 2280 Tiffani ZAGORSKI / Jonathan GUERREIRO RUS
15 2139 Laurence FOURNIER BEAUDRY / Nikolaj SORENSEN CAN
16 2041 Maria KAZAKOVA / Georgy REVIYA GEO
17 1931 Carolane SOUCISSE / Shane FIRUS CAN
18 1923 Marjorie LAJOIE / Zachary LAGHA CAN
19 1862 Marie-Jade LAURIAULT / Romain LE GAC FRA now CAN https://www.instagram.com/p/CPykMmOpFRf/ (note: Bavarian Open was their last international on Feb. 9, 2020)
20 1851 Christina CARREIRA / Anthony PONOMARENKO USA
21 1716 Allison REED / Saulius AMBRULEVICIUS LTU
22 1399 Adelina GALYAVIEVA / Louis THAURON FRA
23 1291 Katharina MUELLER / Tim DIECK GER
24 1289 Alexandra NAZAROVA / Maxim NIKITIN UKR

 

[kwanfan1818]

When I wrote up about GP looking at the US Men, I didn't even notice that 2018-19 was still on the list. The WS lists are still dated 27 March, which they always do at the end of the season, but before the next "current" season, they usually update it to drop three seasons prior (2018-19 in normal times) and to factor two seasons ago (2019-2020 in normal times) by 70%. I haven't done the math on that, if they are planning to publish a "beginning of 2021-22" WS list that works as in prior seasons.

 

[Sylvia]

but before the next "current" season, they usually update it to drop three seasons prior (2018-19 in normal times) and to factor two seasons ago (2019-2020 in normal times) by 70%.

Usually the ISU WS are updated by now, which is why I'm assuming the 2018-19 season's 70% points and 2019-20 points are being kept at 100%.

 

[kwanfan1818]

If they don't, and my Excel spreadsheet is right, Tanaka, Hiwatashi, and Brezina would drop from Top 24 WS and no longer be guaranteed a spot. Fa would drop, too, but he is #17 on the SB list and guaranteed one.

Mozalev, Selevko, and Sato would gain a guaranteed spot by climbing into Top 24 WS. Yan is #13 on the SB list, and should be guaranteed one.

 

[euterpe]

The WS hasn't been updated yet. The date at the top says "results as of 3/26/2021".

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Are they meeting this week finally? Will GP assignments be revealed by next Monday?

 

[TanithandBenFan]

Beuller? Beuller? Are we getting assignments this week?

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Beuller? Beuller? Are we getting assignments this week?

You are hilarious and my spirit animal. Yesterday I was going to post the exact same post Word for Word… “Bueller, Bueller…”.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

YAYYYY

Amber Glenn got 2 Grand Prix assignments!!!!!!!!

 

[ptvvibezz]

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[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Really?

No one's gonna bite?

Trying to drum up some excitement in this thread..... its like pullin wisdom teeth.

Seems like people only care about now is when some retired pairs skater pairs up with another retired pairs skater, skates for some other country and then only to be done off by the candlestick in the library.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Did the ISU announce the GP assignments? I can't seem to find anything about assignments

tee-hee

no.

I hit the liquor cabinet.