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NAOTMAA said:
Considering world's has yet to be cancelled, and there is time for her to rest and train, is there any indication they are considering changing Anna's free program for that? I mean adding a third quad like she was attempting last season. I assume they still want three for the Olympics.
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I expect Anna to add a third quad. It might be a 2nd 4F this time as it seems to be super consistent.

Hopefully we will see her again at that competition Russia is planning instead of Euros.
 
neu said:
What JGP? She is 16 and she is far from top skaters. JGP skaters for the next season are Akatieva, Samodelkina, Zhilina, Petrosyan, Berestovskaya, Zakharova, Osokina, Gorbacheva and maybe some others.
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You forgot also Muraveva. I think she will be above Zakharova and Gorbacheva.
 
Just finished watching RUS Nationals, it's my post-Christmas week gift to myself and what a gift it was. Knowing the results going in I thought Trusova was robbed until I saw Kamila's LP and then Anna's, who I will be the first to admit, has always been my least favorite of the 3As, but boy was I impressed with the quality of her work. Well deserved and honestly I cannot think of a better skated last four (Dasha's program was beautiful, too).
 
Tobbe said:
I expect Anna to add a third quad. It might be a 2nd 4F this time as it seems to be super consistent.

Hopefully we will see her again at that competition Russia is planning instead of Euros.
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I was thinking about a second 4F. It's not only, as you said, her most consistent jump, but probably her prettiest looking jump in general. She deservedly gets great GOE on it.

I don't think last season she had much success on the second 4Lz. And even if its getting better now and worth a little more her 4F is still more impressive.
 
PRlady said:
I would argue that the fact that she married Yagudin proves she has a permanent brain injury.

Ducking and running....
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Dam is that any way to start the year? Besides that being the worse fall I've ever seen in figure skating and then they come back and win the Olympics after that is heroic.

Maybe Alexei was cool back then. ;)
 
Karen-W said:
Can you keep your "Worlds should be cancelled, everything should be cancelled" mantra limited to the pertinent discussion thread? Seriously, not even one throwaway comment about the Russian ladies in the Russian ladies discussion. :rolleyes:
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The Russian ladies don't go to world's? Oh my...judge much?
 
AxelAnnie said:
The Russian ladies don't go to world's? Oh my...judge much?
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They do go to Worlds, but instead of even contributing to the discussion with a thought on who should be named to the team in addition to Anna S, all you did was throw in a comment about how Worlds should be cancelled. No matter how many times you say it in any ol' thread here on FSU, thankfully the ISU doesn't listen to you, otherwise the entire season would have been cancelled already, and just making that statement alone in the Russian ladies thread doesn't make it relevant to the Russian ladies discussion. So, if that makes me judgmental, then I suppose I'm joining you in that category since you've already made the judgement that Worlds should be cancelled and any discussion needs to include that point.

But, enough with the thread derailment from me. I think, based on Nationals, that Anna and Sasha are both pretty certain to have spots on the Worlds team. It really comes down to Alena K and Liza, IMO. Hopefully they will both be well enough to compete in the upcoming Russian comps.
 
yeslek said:
They always come across as full of themselves and think they are better/smarter than everyone else to me.
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I'm negative by nature and I listened for over a half hour and I couldn't take it anymore because of the negativity. Many people are talking about this being the greatest ladies free skate ever with what Sasha kamila Anna and then Dasha did to closeout Russian Nationals. I don't need an hour of C19 stuff. We know the Russian Federation has to do better with dealing with this virus but I don't need to hear about it for an hour or so. It was the greatest free skates I've ever seen and that includes the 2014 ladies Olympics and the 2018 ladies Olympics where all three participants both times were awesome. These ladies took it up a notch from there because of the technical abilities that they have with the quads. Can you imagine if princess Alona and Evgenia were there? It would have been even better even if they did not make the podium.

These two women came across as self-righteous and a little bit snotty.

And can they and others stop calling Anya a child? Veronika Zhilina at 12 is a child and Anya Scherbakova at almost 17 is not a child. She's not quite a full fleged adult but she certainly not at child and hearing them call her a child got frustrating.

I wanted to hear what they said about the actual skating but I couldn't take it anymore so I left.
 
I think the top 5 were amazing. I also really liked Maria Talalaykina's program to Maleficient, she stayed with that artistry for the whole program. Kamila for me is a little paint by numbers with her artistry not unlike Trusova although she is improving. Anna does interpret her music well but her pigeon toes an lack of turnout bothers me.
I also think unless you have been the parent of a competitive athlete you may not know that young athletes all over the world compete with fevers (tylenol will being it down for a bit) or injuries and will get cortisone shots so they can perform. When my daughter was competing in her sport their was always a medical person. Same at world hockey juniors right now, teenage boys getting injections, players recovering from covid skating etc., We all pay the price though when we are older lol (just had knee replaced). I dont think Russia is any different they just happen to be more in the spotlight as still doing live sports. If you want to be entertained by elite sports this is the price that is paid. Some sports even worse than skating for performing injured and or sick (gymnastics).
 
4rkidz said:
I think the top 5 were amazing. I also really liked Maria Talalaykina's program to Maleficient, she stayed with that artistry for the whole program. Kamila for me is a little paint by numbers with her artistry not unlike Trusova although she is improving. Anna does interpret her music well but her pigeon toes an lack of turnout bothers me.
I also think unless you have been the parent of a competitive athlete you may not know that young athletes all over the world compete with fevers (tylenol will being it down for a bit) or injuries and will get cortisone shots so they can perform. When my daughter was competing in her sport their was always a medical person. Same at world hockey juniors right now, teenage boys getting injections, players recovering from ********* skating etc., We all pay the price though when we are older lol (just had knee replaced). I dont think Russia is any different they just happen to be more in the spotlight as still doing live sports. If you want to be entertained by elite sports this is the price that is paid. Some sports even worse than skating for performing injured and or sick (gymnastics).
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As I have grown older and learned about the things that children in such sports have to deal with, I am no longer entertained by them - since you asked the question.
 
Scott512 said:
I'm negative by nature and I listened for over a half hour and I couldn't take it anymore because of the negativity. Many people are talking about this being the greatest ladies free skate ever with what Sasha kamila Anna and then Dasha did to closeout Russian Nationals. I don't need an hour of C19 stuff. We know the Russian Federation has to do better with dealing with this ***** but I don't need to hear about it for an hour or so. It was the greatest free skates I've ever seen and that includes the 2014 ladies Olympics and the 2018 ladies Olympics where all three participants both times were awesome. These ladies took it up a notch from there because of the technical abilities that they have with the quads. Can you imagine if princess Alona and Evgenia were there? It would have been even better even if they did not make the podium.

These two women came across as self-righteous and a little bit snotty.

And can they and others stop calling Anya a child? Veronika Zhilina at 12 is a child and Anya Scherbakova at almost 17 is not a child. She's not quite a full fleged adult but she certainly not at child and hearing them call her a child got frustrating.

I wanted to hear what they said about the actual skating but I couldn't take it anymore so I left.
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Anna IS still a child though. Both in age and in her looks. I don’t understand why people are suddenly now so upset when Anna is called a child. She may be ALMOST 17, but she is 16 and to viewers she looks 12. My niece watched part of her skating and she couldn’t believe someone so young was competing in ladies skating. I had to convince her that she’s 16. It’s amazing what these girls are doing now, but why the big push to call a 16 year old an adult?
 
Skibean said:
Anna IS still a child though. Both in age and in her looks. I don’t understand why people are suddenly now so upset when Anna is called a child. She may be ALMOST 17, but she is 16 and to viewers she looks 12. My niece watched part of her skating and she couldn’t believe someone so young was competing in ladies skating. I had to convince her that she’s 16. It’s amazing what these girls are doing now, but why the big push to call a 16 year old an adult?
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Because people who are calling her a child is the same people that thinks a child shouldn't compete when she hasn't fully recovered from her sickness. They think she is too young to make that decision and the parents and coaches around her should have stopped her. It's funny though that no one is talking about Sasha's age (she is 2 months younger than Anna) who skated injured and after several pain injections.

I think these people don't follow sports in general. All sports are like this. You don't suddenly become a highest level athlete as a grown up, you have to start when you're a kid, and you have to push through all the time or someone else will gladly take your place.
 
muffinplus said:
One of the best things about Anna's FS performance was her step sequence after she had completed all the jumps - she was exuding joy and selling it like no tomorrow

BTW a fan shot video of her FS in 1080p was uploaded on youtube:


There are also videos of Kamila and Sasha's free programs from same channel
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Yes, she was really feeding off the music and the audience. It was fantastic to see.

Interestingly, she said in an interview that they changed the music because it made her tired in the end. When they beefed up the music towards the end, she said she could draw energy from it and don't get tired. She really is an emotional skater.
 
Tobbe said:
Yes, she was really feeding off the music and the audience. It was fantastic to see.

Interestingly, she said in an interview that they changed the music because it made her tired in the end. When they beefed up the music towards the end, she said she could draw energy from it and don't get tired. She really is an emotional skater.
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I can't even remember her music cut before! The ending piece is definitely more uplifting and hopeful so I can see how she would draw energy from it
 
Scott512 said:
I'm negative by nature and I listened for over a half hour and I couldn't take it anymore because of the negativity. Many people are talking about this being the greatest ladies free skate ever with what Sasha kamila Anna and then Dasha did to closeout Russian Nationals. I don't need an hour of C19 stuff. We know the Russian Federation has to do better with dealing with this ***** but I don't need to hear about it for an hour or so. It was the greatest free skates I've ever seen and that includes the 2014 ladies Olympics and the 2018 ladies Olympics where all three participants both times were awesome. These ladies took it up a notch from there because of the technical abilities that they have with the quads. Can you imagine if princess Alona and Evgenia were there? It would have been even better even if they did not make the podium.

These two women came across as self-righteous and a little bit snotty.

And can they and others stop calling Anya a child? Veronika Zhilina at 12 is a child and Anya Scherbakova at almost 17 is not a child. She's not quite a full fleged adult but she certainly not at child and hearing them call her a child got frustrating.

I wanted to hear what they said about the actual skating but I couldn't take it anymore so I left.
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What ever you listening to and who was calling whom a child?
 
Skibean said:
Anna IS still a child though. Both in age and in her looks. I don’t understand why people are suddenly now so upset when Anna is called a child. She may be ALMOST 17, but she is 16 and to viewers she looks 12. My niece watched part of her skating and she couldn’t believe someone so young was competing in ladies skating. I had to convince her that she’s 16. It’s amazing what these girls are doing now, but why the big push to call a 16 year old an adult?
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I don't think we are too far apart. There's a bigger push to call Anna a child than an adult. I guess we can call her and inbetweener at this point. :) But trust me Anna like my step daughter who started driving at 16 and got a part time job at 16 would be not too pleased being called a child at 16.

People also need to figure out that Anna is the boss of her career not her parents not her coaches its Anna just the way it was with Sasha and aliona. Those two phenoms are not at TT anymore because they call their own shots just like an adult. If TT pulled Anya out of Russian Nationals she may have one foot out the door to go somewhere else. These young ladies are very bold.

And the nerve of these two sisters to criticize Teddy ballgame Barton! Why don't these two go to social media and criticize their bosses or the people that pay them? Ted always lifts an event up with his enthusiasm and support of the sport. He has not ever been someone to harshly criticized skaters or their coaches. No one should expect him to change his ways now. His oh my God after kamilas great free skate was amazing.
 
Scott512 said:
I don't think we are too far apart. There's a bigger push to call Anna a child than an adult. I guess we can call her and inbetweener at this point. :) But trust me Anna like my step daughter who started driving at 16 and got a part time job at 16 would be not too pleased being called a child at 16.

People also need to figure out that Anna is the boss of her career not her parents not her coaches its Anna just the way it was with Sasha and aliona. Those two phenoms are not at TT anymore because they call their own shots just like an adult. If TT pulled Anya out of Russian Nationals she may have one foot out the door to go somewhere else. These young ladies are very bold.

And the nerve of these two sisters to criticize Teddy ballgame Barton! Why don't these two go to social media and criticize their bosses or the people that pay them? Ted always lifts an event up with his enthusiasm and support of the sport. He has not ever been someone to harshly criticized skaters or their coaches. No one should expect him to change his ways now. His oh my God after kamilas great free skate was amazing.
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I agree with all of what you said. Some people here seem to argue that every last decision should be made by 'adults' until said people turn 18 (or some people seem to think 20 or older in this thread...) and then all of a sudden throw them off on their own, to suddenly have to be adults- whether that means moving into your own place or going off to college and living in a dorm, or by definition of being 18, or whatever.

I don't know how everyone else grew up, but I'm going to take a wild guess and say that as we went through our teens, we got more and more freedoms in terms of making decisions about things without consulting parents or having parents know every detail of what we did. Many people get their drivers licenses the minute they turn 16, as you mentioned. They typically are working part-time and have to be responsible to actually show up to work and do their jobs. Your mother is not determining your work schedule. The in-betweeners are able to stay home alone without babysitters or someone watching their every move. They get curfews and are able to go out with friends on their own, etc. If anyone here on FSU had their parents making every last move for them until the minute they moved away/out, I'd love to know how they did in that first year or so of being on their own.

Also, I don't remember if I said this in the open or not, but I was kinda :lol: about the meltdowns regarding texting. When I was a teen, cell phones were just starting to become commonplace for everyone, and there was a limit on texting. My piano teacher definitely texted me quite a bit, and I didn't and don't see the problem with it. Any boss that would be texting or calling me- same thing.

Even though the argument keeps going in some kind of circle, Anna made it very clear that her family and her coaches were indeed concerned for her health and checked in with her quite frequently (which doesn't fit the original mindreader narratives), but ultimately they were ready to listen to how she felt.
 
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Tobbe said:
Because people who are calling her a child is the same people that thinks a child shouldn't compete when she hasn't fully recovered from her sickness. They think she is too young to make that decision and the parents and coaches around her should have stopped her. It's funny though that no one is talking about Sasha's age (she is 2 months younger than Anna) who skated injured and after several pain injections.

I think these people don't follow sports in general. All sports are like this. You don't suddenly become a highest level athlete as a grown up, you have to start when you're a kid, and you have to push through all the time or someone else will gladly take your place.
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I think it's one thing to compete injured cause every athlete, in every sport, does it at least once in their careers. It's the simple nature of sport. But Trusova attempting 4 quads and 2 3As, as she did at Rostelecom while injured, was a new level of crazy.

She's lucky she came out of that as she did. It could have gone really wrong and the conversation now wouldn't be jump layouts but instead can she recover at all for any run at the Olympics. Funny how no one talks about it as though as if it never happened.
 
tony said:
I agree with all of what you said. Some people here seem to argue that every last decision should be made by 'adults' until said people turn 18 (or some people seem to think 20 or older in this thread...) and then all of a sudden throw them off on their own, to suddenly have to be adults- whether that means moving into your own place or going off to college and living in a dorm, or by definition of being 18, or whatever.

I don't know how everyone else grew up, but I'm going to take a wild guess and say that as we went through our teens, we got more and more freedoms in terms of making decisions about things without consulting parents or having parents know every detail of what we did. Many people get their drivers licenses the minute they turn 16, as you mentioned. They typically are working part-time and have to be responsible to actually show up to work and do their jobs. Your mother is not determining your work schedule. The in-betweeners are able to stay home alone without babysitters or someone watching their every move. They get curfews and are able to go out with friends on their own, etc. If anyone here on FSU had their parents making every last move for them until the minute they moved away/out, I'd love to know how they did in that first year or so of being on their own.

Also, I don't remember if I said this in the open or not, but I was kinda :lol: about the meltdowns regarding texting. When I was a teen, cell phones were just starting to become commonplace for everyone, and there was a limit on texting. My piano teacher definitely texted me quite a bit, and I didn't and don't see the problem with it. Any boss that would be texting or calling me- same thing.

Even though the argument keeps going in some kind of circle, Anna made it very clear that her family and her coaches were indeed concerned for her health and checked in with her quite frequently (which doesn't fit the original mindreader narratives), but ultimately they were ready to listen to how she felt.
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I was washing dishes at 16 in a restaurant. Anna is at the top of the sporting world and seems like a wonderful young lady like they all do.

Growing up is hard and there's no way to avoid the bumps and bruises.

Anna's parents and coaches allowing her to make the final decision on whether to skate the SP or not it's something they have to live with. I think most of the adults here would agree that that was risky business and we would have wanted her to have pulled out because she was running a temperature and coming off pneumonia or c-19 or whatever it was that caused her to miss the Moscow GP in November.

and we all know kids and we all know that kids who have decisions made for them by
Their parents up until College really struggle when they go away from home because they don't know how to make decisions on their own.

What Anna did was best for her needs but worse for her health
And anyone else who could have caught her virus short-term fever or whatever it was before the SP.

I am so glad it appears that everyone came out of Russian Nationals seemingly unscathed.
 
AxelAnnie said:
What ever you listening to and who was calling whom a child?
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just on the boards and on the internet Annie. I certainly don't think Anya is a child. She is growing up in the spotlight with canopy easy and then you throw covid-19 into the mix and that decision-making could not be easy for her or her parents.
 
NAOTMAA said:
I think it's one thing to compete injured cause every athlete, in every sport, does it at least once in their careers. It's the simple nature of sport. But Trusova attempting 4 quads and 2 3As, as she did at Rostelecom while injured, was a new level of crazy.

She's lucky she came out of that as she did. It could have gone really wrong and the conversation now wouldn't be jump layouts but instead can she recover at all for any run at the Olympics. Funny how no one talks about it as though as if it never happened.
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Yes, exactly what I feel. These "concerns" for Anna at Nationals is so weird. The concerns should be about Sasha who trains all the quads plus the 3A.

I think that Sasha proved here that a clean program with two high level quads (Lutzes) is more important than a quad fest where one or two of the quads fails. This skate at Nationals is her 3rd best technical score ever, and it even beat Japan Open last year where she landed 4 quads. She scored 97.75 here, her best technical score from SC last year was 99.20 (after -1 deduction for a fall). So the way to go is clean. And later, she can add a 3rd quad.

I'm worried though that Sasha is wasting her Olympic chances. All the others train one or two difficult quads/3As, she is training all the quads plus the 3A. The others will probably have the upper hand in consistency as they concentrate on fewer jumps. How much time has Sasha wasted on that 4Lo that won't be competition ready for quite a while? And how big is the injury factor here when she is training all these things?

It breaks my heart that Sasha might miss Olympics next year because of quadmania. Anna will have her 4Lz and 4F, Kamila will have her 3A and 4T, Kostornaia will hopefully get back her 3A, Daria will probably add a 3A. There is simply too many ladies that have the PCS AND the high level jumps that is up against her. There is only three spots for Olympics and all these girls might beat her.

It's time that Sasha think long term. Does she want an Olympic ticket or not? In this case the coach has a huge responsibilty to persuade her...I don't think Plushenko is that coach I'm afraid...
 
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Wyliefan said:
But didn't we just determine that all teenagers are in charge of their own destiny and no one should try to persuade them of anything?
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LOL! Yes we did! But teenagers are easily influenced IF there is a good influencer.

Talking to teenagers is like a game of chess. You have to anticipate the next move and lure the opponent to make a mistake (or in this case the right thing).
 
There’s always the chance that Trusova might be anticipating an arms race where after 2022 all the girls will be doing many many quads?

It reminds me a bit of how all Patrick Chan needed was a quad toe to win worlds and then all of a sudden that was redundant.
 
I feel like people are forgetting that we’re in the middle of a pan-demic. Skating with a fever is dangerous for Anna and, based on what the research out of Ohio State is saying, it’s very possible that athletes returning to competition soon after having YKW could be risking serious damage. But none of that is the critical point. We’re not talking about a decision that affects only Anna.

In the middle of a pan-demic, anyone with a fever has been told absolutely stay home, do not leave the house, do not expose other people to you. And here Anna is at a skating competition full of people. If I went to work with a fever, it wouldn’t be “brave.” I’d very rightly be chastised for potentially exposing everyone I work with to the crud.
 
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