From Russia with Love [#35]: Winter 2019

Yep. There is no difference. The only difference is that Adelina Sotnikova is a figure skater.

At my last job, one of our donors, a very old lady who had one (estranged) child, ended up giving away almost half a million dollars to a scam artist down in Florida. We actually found a lawyer for her who got most of the money back, minus his fees of course. She was neither Russian nor a figure skater nor stupid, just wanted to do some good for war orphans.
 
At my last job, one of our donors, a very old lady who had one (estranged) child, ended up giving away almost half a million dollars to a scam artist down in Florida. We actually found a lawyer for her who got most of the money back, minus his fees of course. She was neither Russian nor a figure skater nor stupid, just wanted to do some good for war orphans.

My point about her being a figure skater is that the reason we’re talking about this on this forum is because she’s a figure skater. Otherwise, she’s no different from anyone else who gives huge hoards of money to scams whether they are culturally acceptable scams or not.
 
Speaking of Miss Cleo:


Looking back at it now, so many Americans who called must not have had any interaction with actual Jamaicans because her accent was horrific. It went in-and-out and kept changing.

There’s also this long running tv show...SNL parody of it:


One last thing:

Here’s a modern day snake oil salesman getting national coverage thanks to Dr. Phil, who to his credit tries to discredit her but maybe he shouldn’t have given her a forum to speak. She said this salt water can regrow limbs and cure homosexuality.


The sad part is that there’s an older man who runs up to the stage and desperately wants to try it. I don’t know what he’s going through for him to disregard all the red flags to want to try it assuming he’s capable of seeing the red flags that is.
 
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I have never seen a fortune teller add in the US. Not once. And I don't know a single person in the US who would believe in such a thing. In my opinion, the difference is huge.
In neither of the three countries I have lived in, (all in Europe), I have never seen any advert for fortune teller or anything connected with witchcraft. Sure, there were films about witches and wizzards, like Harry Potter, or various children's fairy tales, but I definitely didn’t see anyone believing that sticking a pin into a banana will stop your partner sleeping with someone else.
 
In neither of the three countries I have lived in, (all in Europe), I have never seen any advert for fortune teller or anything connected with witchcraft. Sure, there were films about witches and wizzards, like Harry Potter, or various children's fairy tales, but I definitely didn’t see anyone believing that sticking a pin into a banana will stop your partner sleeping with someone else.
Of course. I think countries like Russia and Ukraine are affected more than any countries of the developed world. Until recently people were not wearing seatbelts, but had religious symbols in the cars protecting them instead. I personally know a woman who payed money to multiple psychics to cure an illness instead of going to a doctor. The amount of psychic services advertisements shocked me to be honest. People recommend "very good psychic" to each other ? Again, not everyone is affected ? but it is very widespread, especially among uneducated people.

I am only repeating all this to emphasize that Adelina's behavior is nothing out of ordinary in her country.
 
In neither of the three countries I have lived in, (all in Europe), I have never seen any advert for fortune teller or anything connected with witchcraft. Sure, there were films about witches and wizzards, like Harry Potter, or various children's fairy tales, but I definitely didn’t see anyone believing that sticking a pin into a banana will stop your partner sleeping with someone else.
I grew up in Central Florida. I saw adds for Miss Cleo all the time growing up. I can still hear her in my head with her faux accent: "Call now for your free reading!"
I've also seen psychics advertise on bus benches and with small signs on the side of the road. All of these experiences are in the Orlando area, so a fairly large city for the Southern US.
 
Of course. I think countries like Russia and Ukraine are affected more than any countries of the developed world.

Excuse me? "Developed" as in, the country with world class space program and one of the top world powers is not of the "developed world"?
People's superstitions are a personal thing and they exist everywhere, you mention in your earlier post you didn't see any psycic adverts in the US, are you kidding? There are plenty, even advertised on bus stops.

Sounds like you've either not been there, or don't leave your house much.
 
Every culture/country/groups of people interact with "supernatural" to some degree, from "knocking on wood" to playing with horoscope to hiring a psychic to following an occult. my observation is, the more vulnerable, the less secure, the less in control of events in one's life a person feels, the more likely he/she is to seek "supernatural" assistance. It's sort of a "crutch". It's the "degree of involvement and reliance" that matters. And there is so much more to it.. history, politics, legends, economics, laws, education... What drives people to believe and to seek help from supernatural, i am sure is a subject of a lot of research and PhDs.. :lol: and each region/country/society has it's own specifics.

But since we're talking about "russia" in the "russian topic", there were studies/surveys conducted, in 2012 and 2013, and they show that between 50+% and 60+% of population believes in superstitions and/or supernatural.
This one in Russian, states that 63% of population believes in superstitions.

This one is in English, shows in 2013 it is 52%, decline from same study in 2000 @ 57%.

I am not dishing on or singling out Russia, because i reside in Bay Area, North Cal, and there are plenty of "new agers" and "hot-tubers" and "the enlightened spiritual ones" with Master Degrees and PhD's who believe in supernatural and use some kind of services to "help with their lives and love matters"..

:D https://i.pinimg.com/originals/83/5d/a7/835da78816a21b2b22e7728a1ff8caa9.jpg


:D Oscar Wilde: “Everything in moderation, including moderation.”
 
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I haven't been in Russia in 20 years. I would say back then people generally accepted the supernatural. I thought it was kind of weird, but then again I am an atheist and I pretty much don't believe in anything otherworldly at all. But I wouldn't say it was sooooo much different than the US. I definitely remember Miss Cleo from when I was a kid. As a life-long insomniac, I probably saw dozens of hours of Psychic Friends Network infomercials.

My sister-in-law is studying to become a "professional" tarot card reader. We live in the megachurchy Houston suburbs. If she didn't think she could find customers, she probably wouldn't be doing all of her "training", whatever the hell it is.
 
In neither of the three countries I have lived in, (all in Europe), I have never seen any advert for fortune teller or anything connected with witchcraft. Sure, there were films about witches and wizzards, like Harry Potter, or various children's fairy tales, but I definitely didn’t see anyone believing that sticking a pin into a banana will stop your partner sleeping with someone else.

I hate to admit that we had (have) a bunch in Puerto Rico while I was growing up...la tierra de Walter Mercado.

This entire Sotnikova episode is sad. Wishing her a happy future and good advice.
 
I haven't been in Russia in 20 years. I would say back then people generally accepted the supernatural.
Plenty of Gogol's novels and stories are about "supernatural" as a matter of fact. Those stories where part of educational curriculum, and there are films based on his works..

Few years ago a very popular show on a major Russian TV channel was a reality competition between a group of fortune-tellers/psychics/swamies - "Black and White" (Black Magic vs. White Magic).

... and several more like this, another one very popular was "Last 24 hours" (psychics competed to solve a mystery or a murder case).

It was completely legitimized by the fact of running as a prime time show on official TV channels, a real competition, with real cases and prizes. And that's just a tip of an ice-berg, given the "history of past centuries"..
So now it is a noted problem..

.. and now the "government" are concerned that it got out of hand.. people getting ripped off for large sums of money, some are poisoned by "herbal and chemical magic potions", injured in "occult rituals" and etc.. And about 2 years ago a proposal was introduced to outlaw these activities, and advertising them publicly: "A bill criminalizing illegal occupations of traditional medicine and magic".
 
Every culture/country/groups of people interact with "supernatural" to some degree, from "knocking on wood" to playing with horoscope to hiring a psychic to following an occult. my observation is, the more vulnerable, the less secure, the less in control of events in one's life a person feels, the more likely he/she is to seek "supernatural" assistance. It's sort of a "crutch". It's the "degree of involvement and reliance" that matters. And there is so much more to it.. history, politics, legends, economics, laws, education... What drives people to believe and to seek help from supernatural, i am sure is a subject of a lot of research and PhDs.. :lol: and each region/country/society has it's own specifics.

But since we're talking about "russia" in the "russian topic", there were studies/surveys conducted, in 2012 and 2013, and they show that between 50+% and 60+% of population believes in superstitions and/or supernatural.
This one in Russian, states that 63% of population believes in superstitions.

This one is in English, shows in 2013 it is 52%, decline from same study in 2000 @ 57%.

I am not dishing on or singling out Russia, because i reside in Bay Area, North Cal, and there are plenty of "new agers" and "hot-tubers" and "the enlightened spiritual ones" with Master Degrees and PhD's who believe in supernatural and use some kind of services to "help with their lives and love matters"..
:D

:D Oscar Wilde: “Everything in moderation, including moderation.”

I am 70 yo. My mother told us to NEVER put shoes on a table (it might have just been new shoes). She said it was bad luck and you will die. Now I know that is stupid...........but I NEVER put my shoes on a table...even if the dog will get them, even if I am cleaning and polishing my boots.........nope....not gonna happen. I can't even tolerate other people's shoes on a table...even if I am at someone else's house.
 
My mum always told me that putting shoes on the table meant that you would have an argument with someone. She also throws a pinch of salt over her left shoulder if she spills any. She’s a Londoner if that makes any difference!
 
I am 70 yo. My mother told us to NEVER put shoes on a table (it might have just been new shoes). She said it was bad luck and you will die. Now I know that is stupid...........but I NEVER put my shoes on a table...even if the dog will get them, even if I am cleaning and polishing my boots.........nope....not gonna happen. I can't even tolerate other people's shoes on a table...even if I am at someone else's house.
Of course you don’t put your shoes on the table. If you walk in those shoes outside, God knows what you have walked through! Some dog s**t and other interesting things... so maybe that will explain why you would die. One never knows what you can catch. The same way like you would never want to lick the pavement and the road.
 
I grew up in Central Florida. I saw adds for Miss Cleo all the time growing up. I can still hear her in my head with her faux accent: "Call now for your free reading!"
I've also seen psychics advertise on bus benches and with small signs on the side of the road. All of these experiences are in the Orlando area, so a fairly large city for the Southern US.

We do have our share of "alternative philosophies" in Central Florida -- there is an entire town devoted to it Cassadaga
 
Never open an umbrella inside or walk under a ladder. Black cats are bad luck. Putting your purse in the ground means you’ll lose money. I grew up with all the common superstitions but that’s a long way from hiring psychics!
 
Never open an umbrella inside or walk under a ladder. Black cats are bad luck. Putting your purse in the ground means you’ll lose money. I grew up with all the common superstitions but that’s a long way from hiring psychics!
How do you dry the umbrella? Do you stick it wet in a bag and let it mold? Or do you open it at your balcony and wait with drying it until it stops raining? (It makes sense to me to open it inside and leave it in the bath to dry).
 
How do you dry the umbrella? Do you stick it wet in a bag and let it mold? Or do you open it at your balcony and wait with drying it until it stops raining? (It makes sense to me to open it inside and leave it in the bath to dry).

That’s exactly what I do. I’m also adopting a mostly-black kitten this week so clearly the superstitions didn’t stick!
 
That’s exactly what I do. I’m also adopting a mostly-black kitten this week so clearly the superstitions didn’t stick!

I used to have a boss who was a first-generation American with Croatian parents. She had a black cat for a while, but gave it away because her mom kept nagging her that the cat was a witch and it would curse them.

I currently have two black cats napping on either side of me. If they're witches, they're probably too lazy to get around to cursing me.
 
Excuse me? "Developed" as in, the country with world class space program and one of the top world powers is not of the "developed world"?
People's superstitions are a personal thing and they exist everywhere, you mention in your earlier post you didn't see any psycic adverts in the US, are you kidding? There are plenty, even advertised on bus stops.

Sounds like you've either not been there, or don't leave your house much.
Russia is still a third world country despite the space program. Last time I was in Moscow the ladies that I met there were discussing that a newly built church is cursed since some people who were hired to build it were not white and Muslim. :eek::eek:

I've lived in the US for nearly 20 years in three different states (Missouri, Arizona, Ohio) and never came across a psychic ad, and only once met someone who was a "healer", never met anyone who used them. I guess I was just lucky then. :) I will be paying attention now though, curious how I could miss these advertisements if they are indeed everywhere.
 
Russia is still a third world country despite the space program. Last time I was in Moscow the ladies that I met there were discussing that a newly built church is cursed since some people who were hired to build it were not white and Muslim. :eek::eek:

I guess you find what you look for and, if all you find in a thriving cultural megapolis is a couple of ignorant people, that says more about you, than the country. The only 3rd world thing here is your thinking.

Haven't been to Arizona, but pretty sure I've seen "Psychics" in Ohio. So what's the big deal?
 
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Russia is still a third world country despite the space program. Last time I was in Moscow the ladies that I met there were discussing that a newly built church is cursed since some people who were hired to build it were not white and Muslim. :eek::eek:

I've lived in the US for nearly 20 years in three different states (Missouri, Arizona, Ohio) and never came across a psychic ad, and only once met someone who was a "healer", never met anyone who used them. I guess I was just lucky then. :) I will be paying attention now though, curious how I could miss these advertisements if they are indeed everywhere.

I guess you never spent much time in Sedona, AZ, or even Tucson...tons of new age healer types into crystals and whatnot. One of these "spiritual advisors" was convicted of negligent homicide after 3 people died in a sweat lodge at his retreat.


And while much of Russia might be underdeveloped, it is also not a "third world country." You can hear similar conversations to the one you described if you spend time in the American Bible Belt, for sure.
 
Russia is still a third world country despite the space program. Last time I was in Moscow the ladies that I met there were discussing that a newly built church is cursed since some people who were hired to build it were not white and Muslim. :eek::eek:

I've lived in the US for nearly 20 years in three different states (Missouri, Arizona, Ohio) and never came across a psychic ad, and only once met someone who was a "healer", never met anyone who used them. I guess I was just lucky then. :) I will be paying attention now though, curious how I could miss these advertisements if they are indeed everywhere.
Somebody I know well (in the US), highly educated and rational, regularly goes to "retreats" on the weekends to communicate with her dead child.
Passing through Sedona, we were bombarded by advertising for various psychics. I particularly remember "Archangel Michael" who promised to read my aura and suggest my future path.

I can only think that you have not stayed up nights in the US watching late-night cable TV. That's when the ads happen.
I also know personally Italians and Bulgarians who are superstitious. And educated. So it's everywhere... maybe a bit more in Russia but far from exclusively.
 
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Sofia Samodurova is working towards getting a triple axel and has a good attempt posted on her instagram here: https://www.instagram.com/p/B7IxSBpJ3yp/?igshid=15o3prxiz7758

Good to see she and Mishin are continuing working hard.

I think it would be preferable for her to work on getting more height in all of her jumps than trying to squeeze the extra rotation to get a 3A....I don't think she'll ever get a fully rotated one if her jumps don't get bigger :shuffle:
 

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