LilJen
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I'm very happy for them. It will be good to get some experience and some ranking points before they're forced to go senior.
I think you express yourself beautifully and I agree. They both were more beautiful with their old partners, even if Marissa hated Simon. (I'm sure that's an exaggeration.) And I like your idea that the right choreography could make them work as a pair. I hope they find it. Any thoughts on what kind of music or choreo that might be?
PS: No messing with Lyubov and Dylan!
For a light program, the first thing that came to mind was "Let's Fall to Pieces Together, Why Should We Both Fall Apart?" That would be quite a switch from the Symphony in G Minor (a very interesting idea).Music could be... Mozart Symphony No 40, for example. It would be something completely new for both of them, and there would be no room for the old inward patterns to dominate the new partnership... It would be some sort of "shock therapy" to erase the old skating identity and to give them NEW WINGS/a new skating identity. Choreographically this peace of music is unlimited.
And then... hmmm...to give them some sort of lighthearted program, a program with a humour! to give them opportunity ( open a door!) to become a new pair with a new identity.
P.S. I am only a casual figure skating fan and that is only my humble opinion.
They are amazing but they turned that music into an earsore. I would think there is room for other approaches. Let someone else take a crack at it!Duskova/Bidar's SP isd set to Mozart's Symphony No. 40.
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Both of them, Marissa and Mervin, are excellent skaters and seems to be a very nice people ( and good friends) but, yes, they are sooo different stylistically/ and inwardly that a magic is not there.
...They both were more beautiful with their old partners,
^^ I'm not sure of the exact rules and I know you are trying to make a joke, but obviously there are rules limiting the number of pairs who can enter Worlds and teams must reach a certain score in order to even advance to the free skate. Last year, sixteen teams advanced to the free skate at Boston Worlds.
Having just watched Europeans, I really do hope at least one of the Knierims or Denney/Frazier are reasonably on in Helsinki so that they avoid some freaky scenario where their placements are over 28 at Worlds.
2017 Intermediate Pairs Silver Medalists Jade Esposito/Franz-Peter Jerosch appear to have split. I noticed his bio on IPS today.
They went to Ingo Steuer before 2015 Worlds. At that time, he was considered the more experienced coach. I believe neither skater has given a reason publicly for that switch.Why did D/F leave Zimmerman?
Brandon: When Haven and I made the change to Ingo Steuer, it was right after Nationals [2015]. We never set an official plan for the next seasons. I mean, he’s an excellent coach, and we loved working with him. But he also had his family in Germany. We were talking about working a little in Chemnitz [Germany], and then him coming to the States to work with us. After the injury happened, Ingo had to go back to Germany for the majority of the year. He knew we were going to be rehabbing at the Olympic Training Center in Colorado. We kind of all came to the agreement that he would stay in Germany, and Haven and I would pursue different coaches. That’s how it happened. It was never that Haven and I don’t like Ingo, or it didn’t work out.
They went to Ingo Steuer before 2015 Worlds. At that time, he was considered the more experienced coach. I believe neither skater has given a reason publicly for that switch...
In retrospect, it appears that John Z all along had a vision of building a complementary, efficient and successful coaching team in Florida. With the work John Z is doing with Silvia Fontana, Jeremy Barrett, John & Sinead Kerr, et al, it appears his vision is taking shape. You can have the talent, ideas, and the vision, but it may often take time for things to come to fruition in terms of putting together professionals who work well together and acquiring a group of students who you can help to soar. Timing and luck are obviously enormous factors, but vision, talent and preparation are key.
Kyoko Ina was in the kiss & cry at Nationals with the Junior pair of Vanessa Chen/Eric Hartley who are coached primarily (I assume) by Eric's dad: http://web.icenetwork.com/skaters/team/chen_hartleyAnyone know what Kyoko is doing these days?
No. Peterson/Evora/Johnston are based in Ellenton, FL.Question..is Jim P in the same city? And if so rink?
1. Yes I believe Kyoko had some teams (junior maybe?)FOR SURE!!!
Anyone know what Kyoko is doing these days? is she completely removed from skating???
Im loving this John Z team...
Question..is Jim P in the same city? And if so rink? I feel I should know this.... Anyway LOVING IT!!!!!
it's obvious that at least the Denney's are coach hoppers (not saying it's a bad thing)
Why did D/F leave Zimmerman? Not a smart move to go to someone like Rockne who is just starting his coaching career while leaving a a more experienced coach like Zimmerman.
I think you are making a knee-jerk assumption, which we all do at times. I had often wondered why Haven & Brandon ever broke up in the first place because they were always better together than with their former partners. Especially since they initially grew up together competing as a roller skating pair.
But as my avatar notes, we should keep calm sometimes and take a step back. @clairecloutier recently had a very enlightening interview with Haven & Brandon in which they explained why they had broken up and then gotten back together. Thanks Claire! It's about life. They were young, and one of the families happened to move away. I think it may have been the Denneys who moved to Florida (but I'm not certain). In any case, Brandon's pairing with Mandy Garza, and Haven's pairing with Daniel Raad happened as a result of the move (the move was a decision made by whichever set of parents for whatever reason that's none of our business). Fortunately, Brandon and Haven got back together fairly quickly -- they were made for each other.
And then the various relocations are as a result of trying to work out logistics with a partner, and a coaching environment. We see that happen all the time. For a time Haven & Brandon were training in Colorado, and around the time they won Junior Worlds in 2012, they decided to make a switch to John Zimmerman in Florida. Who knows, perhaps being a younger team and Sappenfield having a lot of teams, D/F felt they would get more attention in John Z's camp. That could possibly be one of the reasons the young team of Weinberg/Fernandez recently made the switch from Peterson to Zimmerman. But we should probably keep in mind that there could be many factors involved in athletes' decisions that have to do with personal life concerns, logistics and other extenuating circumstances we are not privy to.
I think it's obviously true that there are an overabundance of partner switches, but again there are many reasons having to do with youth of skaters and growth issues, the modern pace of life in our global culture, and a variety of extenuating circumstances. Even when a partnership is working, there's no end to the number of sacrifices and decisions that have to be made, not the least those having to do with injury-related concerns.
So please don't accuse Haven/Brandon (or Caydee) of coach-hopping. D/F would likely still be with Zimmerman had Ingo Steuer not been brought in to consult and D/F apparently ended up feeling a greater connection with Steuer and were impressed by his experience. And, if Haven's injury hadn't occurred, maybe D/F would still be with Steuer, if they had been able to find a good training location. I think things have worked out for D/F in the long run, so there's not really much to fingerpoint about. Stuff happens, and I'm sure D/F feel comfortable with the learning experiences they've had with all of the coaches they've been privileged to work with.
D/F were working with John Zimmerman when Ingo Steuer came aboard in a consulting capacity during 2014-2015 season. After 2015 U.S. Nationals, D/F decided to switch exclusively to Steuer with the reason partly being Steuer's experience and accomplishments. Earlier, in 2012, after winning the Junior World title, D/F had left Colorado and 'experienced' coach Dalilah Sappenfield to work with Zimmerman who at that time was in the midst of building his reputation as a coach. That was about five years ago, and a lot of things can change in that amount of time.
Unfortunately, Haven suffered that terrible knee injury shortly after the switch to Steuer was made in 2015. Steuer went back to Germany likely due to his family ties there and not having a training base in the U.S. Haven & Brandon may have been considering the possibility of eventually following Steuer to Germany for all we know. But during the course of Haven's rehab, all parties including Steuer agreed it was best for D/F to find a good coaching environment in the U.S. Enter Brubaker/ Berton camp in Chicago.
Most of the reason D/F broke up in the first place I think is because Caydee was paired with Barrett and had great success.
^^ I do not think you can separate the extenuating circumstances and the fact that fans are not privy to all that goes into skaters' and their family's thought processes.
I admit that I had a knee-jerk reaction when I looked back recently and saw Haven and Brandon skating with their former partners at 2011 Junior Nationals. My first thought was why the heck did they break up in the first place? Obviously not the greatest of decisions I thought since they got back together very quickly and ended up winning 2012 Junior Worlds. It was all explained in @clairecloutier's recent interview with Haven and Brandon. For me that was eye-opening proof that we can never be sure of all that goes into decisionmaking when it comes to skaters' careers.
Yep 'finger-pointing' may be a bit harsh choice of words on my part. I just meant that being labeled "a coach-hopper' is also a bit harsh because of the negative connotation it gives (even though you didn't mean it that way).
The Denneys may have always been "on the move" due to family reasons, and clearly due to partner switches which necessitated relocations. That happens a lot for many skaters. It's the rare skater who spends their entire career with one coach in one location. Not to say it never happens: Matt Savoie and Brian Boitano are two examples.
Whether or not the family's move was related to Caydee pairing with Jeremy Barrett, I have no idea.
Likely Brandon's family played a role in deciding for him not to move with Haven at that time. Remember that their ages were a factor, so they did not make the decision by themselves. There could be more to it than Haven & Brandon shared, or not.
ITA, no biggie. Wishing D/F success with Brubaker/Berton.
Question..is Jim P in the same city? And if so rink? I feel I should know this....
Zimmerman/Fontana/Barrett are somewhere in the Miami area (ETA: Coral Springs, last I heard, but more recently in Pembroke Pines, FL?).
Rink websites are not always kept up-to-date. I recall seeing Zimmerman, Fontana and Barrett listed as coaches on the Panthers Ice Den website (Coral Springs) not that long ago, and their novice level pair that just won the national title and were given a junior international assignment (Coleman/Griffin, refer to post #67 above) train in Pembroke Pines, according to the IN article on the Novice Pairs FS that was published during Nationals.I don't see John Z listed as a coach at the Pines Ice Arena in Pembroke Pines
I posted the link to Claire's interview with Denney/Frazier in post #77 above. The Denney family is originally from Florida. IIRC, D/F were coached by Jim Peterson when they first competed at 2006 "Junior" Nationals at the Juvenile level (late 2005): http://www.usfsa.org/eventrelatedde...ents/200506/usjuniorchamps/juvpairs-final.htmYou should check out Claire's interview with D/F. They were young when they broke up due to a move by I believe Denney's family to Florida.