It's not the same blue as Gabriella's. It's much brighter - definitely not a dark blue like hers.she had her practice dress in a few colours..One the same blue as Gabby's.
It's not the same blue as Gabriella's. It's much brighter - definitely not a dark blue like hers.she had her practice dress in a few colours..One the same blue as Gabby's.
It's not the same blue as Gabriella's. It's much brighter - definitely not a dark blue like hers.
Yep, in some pictures Tessa's dress had even a greenish tone.It's not the same blue as Gabriella's. It's much brighter - definitely not a dark blue like hers.
Excellent post. There is no question that P/C have a very beautiful FD, and their run of the blade and flow is exceptional. But comparing the 2 top teams, looking element for element for difficulty, quality, speed, balance of work between the partners, complexity and variety in steps, amount of time in dance holds instead of side by side, how the elements and choreo express the chosen music (not whether or not we like the music they chose), V/M are a step above. By this criteria, which is what IJS specifies, V/M have an edge. The FD is much closer. But the SD is no contest in my mind. V/M are simply in a world of their own. P/C should be getting a music deduction for pretending Ed Shearen is Latin. It's not Latin. They aren't even trying to meet the criteria. I know they don't like skating to Latin, they said so themselves, but this feels like a big middle finger at the choice for the SD. And their moves are not Latin. V/M are pushing boundaries with rock, but there is no way anyone can say what they are doing is not Latin. Their SD is simply outstanding. Right up there with Prince from last year.I would start by separating elements from the choreography of the program - not that they're not related, just that it's choreography between the elements and the connecting steps that I'm referring to when I say that Papadakis/Cizeron's program is simpler.
I think the answer that question is pretty simple (ironically), it's that most teams are not good enough to do what the French do. The French movement on the ice is so smooth that they can take a simple move and make it look good in a way that other teams cannot and because of that every moment of the program is important and accentuated. To my way of thinking it's not necessarily better or worse then Virtue/Moir's style of movement, it's just different. But this is also a sport which means that we're supposed to attempt to quantify differences in difficulty, and award increased difficulty with higher scores.
P/C should be getting a music deduction for pretending Ed Shearen is Latin. It's not Latin. They aren't even trying to meet the criteria. I know they don't like skating to Latin, they said so themselves, but this feels like a big middle finger at the choice for the SD. And their moves are not Latin.
Judges will be judges, politics will be politics. But skaters know. When reporters ask other former and current ice dancers around the world which team is better, they almost always say V/M.
But the SD is no contest in my mind. V/M are simply in a world of their own. P/C should be getting a music deduction for pretending Ed Shearen is Latin. It's not Latin. They aren't even trying to meet the criteria. I know they don't like skating to Latin, they said so themselves, but this feels like a big middle finger at the choice for the SD. And their moves are not Latin. V/M are pushing boundaries with rock, but there is no way anyone can say what they are doing is not Latin.
It's a bit odd for me to read how many critics their SD are getting when meeting all the criterias. This is ballroom latin, not proper latin, otherwise, both teams would have been told to get new SDs. But V/M are "pushing boundaries" with rock, and P/C are giving the middle finger with pop music ? which actually has a tropical vide to it (and the second song : go watch the clip video here they are dancing a rumba - and it's beautiful https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp-EO5I60KA ). Both team are pushing boundaries, and a lot of others too. It gives a wider range to all the SDs. I've never seen so much diversity in Latin SDs, and I love both.Excellent post. There is no question that P/C have a very beautiful FD, and their run of the blade and flow is exceptional. But comparing the 2 top teams, looking element for element for difficulty, quality, speed, balance of work between the partners, complexity and variety in steps, amount of time in dance holds instead of side by side, how the elements and choreo express the chosen music (not whether or not we like the music they chose), V/M are a step above. By this criteria, which is what IJS specifies, V/M have an edge. The FD is much closer. But the SD is no contest in my mind. V/M are simply in a world of their own. P/C should be getting a music deduction for pretending Ed Shearen is Latin. It's not Latin. They aren't even trying to meet the criteria. I know they don't like skating to Latin, they said so themselves, but this feels like a big middle finger at the choice for the SD. And their moves are not Latin. V/M are pushing boundaries with rock, but there is no way anyone can say what they are doing is not Latin. Their SD is simply outstanding. Right up there with Prince from last year.
Judges will be judges, politics will be politics. But skaters know. When reporters ask other former and current ice dancers around the world which team is better, they almost always say V/M. P/C are beautiful, and V/M are in a league of their own, the best of all time.
Give it time - just keep making him watch.My youngest son loves both SD's so based on that, I am happy. Poor kid has been watching a lot of skating this year and that he at least like the SD music is a bonus. They are well skated, well choreographed and refined.
If only I could get him to jump onboard and love the FD's too...
I just watched VM's Free program and I appreciate the changes for competition purposes. BUT I HATE the changes. I loved the ending to the free program. It tells a strong story. And whoever mentioned the falling part in the program, THAT is what got me in this free program. When I saw the Autumn competition for the first time (youtube), I was quite underwhelmed and really mind-boggled that they would have chosen this song in an Olympic year.
But I was there for their Skate Canada debut of the program and I have to say I was not looking forward to it. I have been an AVID VM fan for nearly a decade and have been mesmerized by every program and I was not looking forward to this program at the competition.
As for P/C, I love them as well. Besides VM I think they are my second fave this season. I have to say I don't like their SD very much. It seems they don't enjoy it and seems very forced.
Fascinating. While I prefer the V/M programs personally ('cause, yup, I am one of their ubers), I think P/C look like they are having the time of the lives in their SD this season and not forced in any way.
As I've said before in the Dance Hall thread, we're a funny bunch, we ID fans
Hi! Just wanted to say that you have taken some of my fave VM photographs over the years, so it's nice to "see" you again, and hope to see some more pics of yours some day.
As for the "death" choreography, I agree with whoever said earlier that it will probably reappear in future program. It was too good to not be seen again.
I think you could switch the names in your post and it would be (almost) equally true.
Fair enough. We all see different things - no question about that!I personally feel like they don't enjoy the dance. As a dancer myself comparatively to ice dance, some dances you enjoy and throw yourself in and it becomes a part of you. It's in your blood. Not so much with P/C's SD.
This pro VM propaganda does not work at all. I read that on all pro V/M sites. The truth is V/M are highly talented but their skating skills are not at the level of P/C's. The PCS scores this season are extremely clear. Look to themExcellent post. There is no question that P/C have a very beautiful FD, and their run of the blade and flow is exceptional. But comparing the 2 top teams, looking element for element for difficulty, quality, speed, balance of work between the partners, complexity and variety in steps, amount of time in dance holds instead of side by side, how the elements and choreo express the chosen music (not whether or not we like the music they chose), V/M are a step above. By this criteria, which is what IJS specifies, V/M have an edge. The FD is much closer. But the SD is no contest in my mind. V/M are simply in a world of their own.
Before talking about deducting points to P/C, you should rather read and moreover understand the ISU rules! This season SD is not about latin music but rhumba and samba rhythms. And it turns out rhumba and samba rhythms widely inspired many music composers to create very different styles of music. If you think samba and rhumba is latin music only then you have no idea whatsoever about the diversity of the musical creation! Please listen to Deezer, go to concerts! Do something! So YES, Ed Sheeran's shape of you fulfils 100% the ISU requirements! And it's a very nice, modern and popular samba/rhumba music. This great music choice was submitted by Chris Dean himself. Chris Dean!!! You know him? This highly talented skater, olympic champion in 1984 with Jane Torvill dancing a fantastic rhumba!! Would you suggest Chris Dean, with his talent as ice dancer and now as choreographer, would dare choreographing a short dance not compliant with the ISU rules?????P/C should be getting a music deduction for pretending Ed Shearen is Latin. It's not Latin. They aren't even trying to meet the criteria. I know they don't like skating to Latin, they said so themselves, but this feels like a big middle finger at the choice for the SD.
Yeah! We had more than enough politics and dirty work last season! The culmination of this dirty work was Helsinki. Since then, strangely enough, the scores are fully in sync with the actual performances as we can see this season. No more technical elements with crazy GOEs from -2 up to +3!!Judges will be judges, politics will be politics.
Really??? Who are these "current ice dancers around the world"?? We wanna know! LOL.But skaters know. When reporters ask other former and current ice dancers around the world which team is better, they almost always say V/M.
This pro VM propaganda does not work at all. I read that on all pro V/M sites. The truth is V/M are highly talented but their skating skills are not at the level of P/C's. The PCS scores this season are extremely clear. Look to them
Before talking about deducting points to P/C, you should rather read and moreover understand the ISU rules! This season SD is not about latin music but rhumba and samba rhythms. And it turns out rhumba and samba rhythms widely inspired many music composers to create very different styles of music. If you think samba and rhumba is latin music only then you have no idea whatsoever about the diversity of the musical creation! Please listen to Deezer, go to concerts! Do something! So YES, Ed Sheeran's shape of you fulfils 100% the ISU requirements! And it's a very nice, modern and popular samba/rhumba music. This great music choice was submitted by Chris Dean himself. Chris Dean!!! You know him? This highly talented skater, olympic champion in 1984 with Jane Torvill dancing a fantastic rhumba!! Would you suggest Chris Dean, with his talent as ice dancer and now as choreographer, would dare choreographing a short dance not compliant with the ISU rules?????
Yeah! We had more than enough politics and dirty work last season! The culmination of this dirty work was Helsinki. Since then, strangely enough, the scores are fully in sync with the actual performances as we can see this season. No more technical elements with crazy GOEs from -2 up to +3!!
Really??? Who are these "current ice dancers around the world"?? We wanna know! LOL.
This pro VM propaganda does not work at all. I read that on all pro V/M sites. The truth is V/M are highly talented but their skating skills are not at the level of P/C's.
This seasons is not about rhumba and samba rhythms, it is about latin rhythms. Rhumba and samba are among latin rhythms.
Sure, parts of the PCS can change, if your choreography changes lead to a better interpretation the music or you're better in sync with the music timing. Now for skating skills, it's a different story and it's a bit more tricky imHo.Are PCS fixed, or can they change if you change your choreography to better show the criteria?
Sure, parts of the PCS can change, if your choreography changes lead to a better interpretation the music or you're better in sync with the music timing. Now for skating skills, it's a different story and it's a bit more tricky imHo.
Yep and they were right to do so. There were so far behind P/C at all Grand Prix and GPF in terms of PCS. Now, getting the top PCS mark is a long way to go as we can see in this short summary below regarding the FD programs:It's interesting, because I think that VM have made quite a few changes to make the criteria valued in the skating skills mark easier to see.