U.S. Ice Dance 2023-24 news & updates

Lacey

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Think I am saying the same thing:
ZingKol's and PateBye's programs were very creative but looked more like Pairs' Programs than Dance ones.

The Browns' programs were very dance-like and they skated like Ice Dancers.
 
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Sylvia

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ISU Season Best Total Scores of 168+ updated after Skate Canada International (Oct. 28):

2Madison CHOCK / Evan BATESUSAISU GP Skate America 2023 - 1st22/10/2023212.96S
10Eva PATE / Logan BYEUSAISU CS Autumn Classic 2023 - 1st16/09/2023191.20S
11Christina CARREIRA / Anthony PONOMARENKOUSAISU CS Finlandia Trophy 2023 - 2nd08/10/2023191.14S
15Oona BROWN / Gage BROWNUSAISU GP Skate Canada International 2023 - 4th28/10/2023187.62S
16Emilea ZINGAS / Vadym KOLESNIKUSAISU CS Nepela Memorial 2023 - 4th30/09/2023187.28S
17Caroline GREEN / Michael PARSONSUSAISU GP Skate America 2023 - 4th22/10/2023185.07S
21Emily BRATTI / Ian SOMERVILLEUSAISU CS Lombardia Trophy 2023 - 4th10/09/2023177.66S
27Katarina WOLFKOSTIN / Dimitry TSAREVSKIUSAISU CS Budapest Trophy 2023 - 5th15/10/2023172.88S
31Leah NESET / Artem MARKELOVUSAISU JGP Bangkok 2023 - 1st26/08/2023168.47J

Skate Canada Int'l results/scores:
4 Oona BROWN / Gage BROWN 187.62 4 4
5 Emilea ZINGAS / Vadym KOLESNIK 184.96 5 5
6 Eva PATE / Logan BYE 181.46 6 6
RD scores:
4​
Oona BROWN / Gage BROWNUSA
73.91​
42.74​
32.17​
7.93​
8.11​
8.14​
1.00​
#7​
5​
Emilea ZINGAS / Vadym KOLESNIKUSA
72.25​
40.47​
31.78​
8.18​
7.96​
7.75​
0.00​
#2​
6​
Eva PATE / Logan BYEUSA
72.12​
41.24​
30.88​
7.86​
7.79​
7.57​
0.00​
#6​
FD scores:
4​
Oona BROWN / Gage BROWNUSA
113.71​
64.43​
49.28​
8.21​
8.11​
8.32​
0.00​
#7​
5​
Emilea ZINGAS / Vadym KOLESNIKUSA
112.71​
63.49​
49.22​
8.29​
8.25​
8.07​
0.00​
#6​
6​
Eva PATE / Logan BYEUSA
109.34​
63.40​
46.94​
7.93​
7.79​
7.75​
1.00​
#5​

Top 9 ISU SB RD scores as of today:
2Madison CHOCK / Evan BATESUSAISU GP Skate America 202321/10/202384.87S
8Eva PATE / Logan BYEUSAISU CS Autumn Classic 202315/09/202377.02S
10Emilea ZINGAS / Vadym KOLESNIKUSAISU CS Nepela Memorial 202329/09/202375.61S
13Caroline GREEN / Michael PARSONSUSAISU GP Skate America 202321/10/202375.05S
14Christina CARREIRA / Anthony PONOMARENKOUSAISU CS Finlandia Trophy 202307/10/202374.15S
15Oona BROWN / Gage BROWNUSAISU GP Skate Canada International 202327/10/202373.91S
21Leah NESET / Artem MARKELOVUSAISU JGP Bangkok 202325/08/202368.99J
23Katarina WOLFKOSTIN / Dimitry TSAREVSKIUSAISU CS Budapest Trophy 202313/10/202368.92S
26Emily BRATTI / Ian SOMERVILLEUSAISU CS Lombardia Trophy 202309/09/202368.19S

Top 10 ISU SB FD scores as of today:
2Madison CHOCK / Evan BATESUSAISU GP Skate America 202322/10/2023128.09S
8Christina CARREIRA / Anthony PONOMARENKOUSAISU CS Finlandia Trophy 202308/10/2023116.99S
13Eva PATE / Logan BYEUSAISU CS Autumn Classic 202316/09/2023114.18S
15Oona BROWN / Gage BROWNUSAISU GP Skate Canada International 202328/10/2023113.71S
16Emilea ZINGAS / Vadym KOLESNIKUSAISU GP Skate Canada International 202328/10/2023112.71S
20Caroline GREEN / Michael PARSONSUSAISU GP Skate America 202322/10/2023110.02S
21Emily BRATTI / Ian SOMERVILLEUSAISU CS Lombardia Trophy 202310/09/2023109.47S
26Lorraine MCNAMARA / Anton SPIRIDONOVUSAISU CS Nebelhorn Trophy 202323/09/2023104.02S
27Katarina WOLFKOSTIN / Dimitry TSAREVSKIUSAISU CS Budapest Trophy 202315/10/2023103.96S
35Leah NESET / Artem MARKELOVUSAISU JGP Osaka 202316/09/2023100.14J
 
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layman

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Think I am saying the same thing:
ZingKol's and PateBye's programs were very creative but looked more like Pairs' Programs than Dance ones.
This is something that bothers me a lot...the way many dance programs are choreographed to the melody of the music rather than the beat of the music and that is what makes the programs look like pairs programs (that plus "dance" elements like spins and lifts are now almost indistinguishable between the two disciplines).
 

Spikefan

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I thought the Browns' programs were much more "dancey" than those of both ZingKol and PateBye, I thought the latter two had programs with a lot of gimmicks.
That hasn’t hurt Chock and Bates. The latter two see the ultimate path forward, maybe not this season but that is winning/medaling now. :shuffle:
 

~tapdancer~

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The Browns are matched very well physically and both are short with low centers of gravity which I think makes it helpful for ice dance. Like standing a short pencil vs a tall one. I can't deny they skate well but I just can't get on board with them. I rarely like sibling teams...the Shubatanis were the only ice dance sibling team I thought transcended that fact and I enjoyed their programs a lot. P/B and Z/K are much more appealing to me than the Browns, and my faves right now are CarPon. It is hard to be a US ice dance uber though, we have so many great teams. OTOH, you don't have to worry about putting all your eggs in one basket.
 

Wyliefan

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You mean, how did I change it? In "Custom Title" under "Account Details."
 

layman

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I love Kolesnik/Zingas and I think it's a miracle that she has learned so much about dance in so short a time but I think one of the reasons that Igor picked the music that he did for them is that it is much harder to dance on the beat. With this music, they don't have to. I don't think Emilea is quite at that (skill) level yet, so this choreography (and music) cleverly disguises that fact. Igor is a genius at presenting a team so that their strengths are highlighted (in this case stretch, extension, bodyline, lifting and spinning) and their weaknesses disguised.

Huge kudos to Emilea for getting through those tough twizzle sequences in both programs!
 
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TanithandBenFan

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Didn't rrealize how accomplished he is!
I've seen him in a few commercials for WeatherTech products!


 

TanithandBenFan

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Carhart/Horovyi were tagged in an IG video at Elite Ice Dance in Berlin. Did they change coaches to Stefan Caruso? They're still wearing their Team USA jackets. I thought maybe they were changing countries since they aren't at the Ice Dance Final in MN.

 

Sylvia

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^^^ Interesting re. Helena Carhart/"Vova" Horovyi (she also shared Alexandra's/elite_ice_dance's Instagram story). I saw that Mathew Gates visited Berlin back in September.
I've seen him in a few commercials for WeatherTech products!
Benoit's commercials also are posted in this thread :):
 

yurokis40

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LALA now owning those boring 2nd tier US dance teams, hopefully the judges drop the slow chock and bore at worlds so they finally retire and the LALA domination era can finally start.
 

yurokis40

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Did you move back to Canada? :)
Yes back after some months overseas I see LALA are rising like gangbusters should have beaten gilles and poirier at cup of china but of course ice dance politics prevail again. When are these judges finally gonna drop them and also the boring italians hopefully lala pull off a pap ziz circa 2015 at worlds and win in Montreal i mean piper and chock can barely skate.
 

Karen-W

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I like green and parsons though I see potential there is no hope for carreira and borinhmarenko
Well, aren't we the transparent troll today, tossing out nice words toward a team that LajLag have soundly beat on the GP twice this season while still clearly threatened by CarPon...
 

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