U.S. Ice Dance 2018-19 season news & updates

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As the Greens just won Junior Nationals and both of their international events this season, I think the "reputation" bit is rather unmeasurable between G&G and Nguyen & Kolesnik. Looking forward to seeing how that battle goes at Junior Worlds. (Could easily split dances again. N&K had the mistake in the footwork at Junior Nationals, but the Greens have really excelled at getting the pattern over the past two seasons. Should be interesting).
 

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Watching Zagitova’s last few competitions—is she really doing THAT much better than Medvedeva? Zagitova is getting worse, Medvedeva has shown improvement. If Zagitova was given correct PCS she would not have placed as high in Europeans. She really is a mess.
They are from DC area, Maryland and Virginia. On the other note, I watched Russian Junior Nationals today and I think it will be a tough uphill battle for US Junior teams to compete in the coming seasons. I am very impressed with skills level in Russian juniors and other ''softer'' qualities that are so valuable in ice dance.
Hmmm, then I guess it makes more sense there's no local coverage if they don't actually have local origins. But doesn't Avonley Nguyen hail from Cleveland originally?
 

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Parsons Freedance 2019 US Nationals:
https://youtu.be/RpX6dkmldoo

I really love this dance and this team. Michael's fall was heartbreaking but I really love the modern music and modern dance movements on the Parsons. It's a real improvement over the usual elevator music. I really love this couple too. Some couples have been criticized for holding back and playing it safe but these two never do that. They always push their dancing as hard as they can. I love their passion and attack.
 

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CONGRATS TO USA DANCE... ALL 3 teams got Seasons Best for the RD.....

USA in 1st and 2nd after RD!!!!!!

H&D and C&B are so close to each other. Both at 81 and change!!

SO cool that C&B are getting great scores and having missed most of season!!!!
 

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So happy for C/B!
I’m not even that into ice dance (though a few of my all time favorite programs are from ID), but I just can’t believe how much crap has been leveled at C/B over the years, especially Chock. No hard-working, self-funded team deserves so much negativism. I just have to root for them out of a sense of injustice.

I’m really thrilled for them! I hope this means they’re heading back to worlds podium as well!
 
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So happy for C/B!
I’m not even that into ice dance (though a few of my all time favorite programs are from ID), but I just can’t believe how much crap has been leveled at C/B over the years, especially Chock. No hard-working, self-funded team deserves so much negatism. I just have to root for them out of a sense of justice.

I’m really thrilled for them! I hope this means they’re heading back to worlds podium as well!
The only thing that would have made it better was if someone had given Chock a big bag of chips to tear into on the couch.
 

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I was expecting a score around 128-130 for Hubbell & Donahue. What a shock. I only saw a couple of small errors on Madison’s part....the twizzle and a little slight stumble on a step. Still I thought for sure they would win and deserved to. I just recently saw them live at Nationals. Their power, speed and depth of edge were way ahead of all others there. I like this free dance just fine unlike a lot of posters here. Maddie and Zach could probably skate the phone book for me and I’d still be in awe of their skating. I really hate it when seasoned skating fans are left scratching their heads when a score so deviates from the skaters norm without an obvious error. When the marks were taking so long though I got worried because that is never good. Anyway it’s just 4 Continents and not Worlds. With five weeks of training I’m sure they can leave this one in the rear view mirror.

Despite the strange results, I’m super happy for Chock and Bates. I agree they have been inexplicably hated on for a long time. I’ve been a fan for ages and glad to see them improving so quickly after going to Montreal. I really love their short dance this year in particular. The cool vibe of the free is also great on them.

Love Weaver and Poje too. I’ve rooted for them for years. They looked great here. Happy they medaled. Really liked both programs.

Also happy for Gilles & Poirier’s medal. Their free dance is creative and lovely. Very trained and precise. I have a hard time getting past Gilles weaker skating skills and lack of line and stretch, but I always enjoy their performances.

Hawayek and Baker skated the best I’ve seen this year. Also really Love F&B flamenco free dance. Amazing ability to translate flamenco to the ice.

Dance has become one of my favorite events in skating. I like so many teams. The number of teams really worth watching is amazing. I just wish NBC Sports would embrace it too.
 
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I was expecting a score around 128-130 for Hubbell & Donahue. What a shock. I only saw a couple of small errors on Madison’s part....the twizzle and a little slight stumble on a step. Still I thought for sure they would win and deserved to. I just recently saw them live at Nationals. Their power, speed and depth of edge were way ahead of all others there. I like this free dance just fine unlike a lot of posters here. Maddie and Zach could probably skate the phone book for me and I’d still be in awe of their skating. I really hate it when seasoned skating fans are left scratching their heads when a score so deviates from the skaters norm without an obvious error. When the marks were taking so long though I got worried because that is never good. Anyway it’s just 4 Continents and not Worlds. With five weeks of training I’m sure they can leave this one in the rear view mirror.

Despite the strange results, I’m super happy for Chock and Bates. I agree they have been inexplicably hated on for a long time. I’ve been a fan for ages and glad to see them improving so quickly after going to Montreal. I really love their short dance this year in particular. The cool vibe of the free is also great on them.

Love Weaver and Poje too. I’ve rooted for them for years. They looked great here. Happy they medaled. Really liked both programs.

Also happy for Gilles & Poirier’s medal. Their free dance is creative and lovely. Very trained and precise. I have a hard time getting past Gilles weaker skating skills and lack of line and stretch, but I always enjoy their performances.

Hawayek and Baker skated the best I’ve seen this year. Also really Love F&B flamenco free dance. Amazing ability to translate flamenco to the ice.

Dance has become one of my favorite events in skating. I like so many teams. The number of teams really worth watching is amazing. I just wish NBC Sports would embrace it too.
Some competitions for some skaters just seem to be ones where they just don't skate well no matter where they are held. Last three times now at 4CC they've finished 4th though to be honest this was the first year they were expected to medal and also win. Some competitions just seem to not be meant to be won like Yagudin at Russian Nationals for instance.
 

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The Peals finished 2nd in their FD in advanced novices at the Bavarian Open (6th overall). I wish them the best in developing those compulsories because they are special performers.

Ales & Tsarik finished 5th in the junior event at the Bavarian Open and earned their Junior World minimums. (They were 7th at Junior Nationals and selected as third alternates).
 

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I was surprised but not entirely shocked by the results at 4CC. C/B were close enough after the RD so that if H/D had a mistake, they would probably fall from first place. And nowadays errors are not that uncommon, just because dance has so many requirements for levels. Let's see what happens at Worlds. The top three positions (well maybe second and third) are not guaranteed to anybody IMO.
 

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I was surprised but not entirely shocked by the results at 4CC. C/B were close enough after the RD so that if H/D had a mistake, they would probably fall from first place. And nowadays errors are not that uncommon, just because dance has so many requirements for levels. Let's see what happens at Worlds. The top three positions (well maybe second and third) are not guaranteed to anybody IMO.
I am a little concerned that some of the Gadbois teams have been missing levels all season. I hope they focus on levels, really drill the key points, before Worlds.
 

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Seem to be missing the keypoints more, though; don't they?

I mean you would think by now that Hubbell & Donohue and Hawayek & Baker would have made the list below. (Oh, just realized that Smart & Diaz made it at Europeans, which is good for them). Soucisse & Firus haven't been around that long so hard to know what to expect there. Komatsubara & Koleto either. Fear & Gibson have always struggled with the pattern so it's no surprise that they are one of the teams struggling now. The Bulgarians and second Polish teams are in the early development stages so not surprising there. On the plus side, Wang & Liu, Chen & Sun, Papadakis & Cizeron, and Chock & Bates have made the list. The Chinese teams, I think, still train with other coaches also, which would mean they have technical input from elsewhere; and Fournier-Beaudry & Sorensen have only had the one chance so the fact that they haven't made the list yet makes sense.

Teams that have earned a YY on the rocker portion of the pattern:
Guignard & Fabbri at Skate America, Lombardia, the Helsinki GP, the GPF, and Europeans.
The Parsons at the Asian Open, Lake Placid International, NHK, and Internationaux de France.
McNamara & Carpenter at Skate America, Nepela, Lake Placid International, and the Helsinki GP.
Turkkila & Versluis at Nepela, Minsk-Arena Ice Star, and Europeans.
Tessari & Fioretti at Nepela, Minsk-Arena Ice Star, and Egna.
Muller & Dieck at Nepela.
Wang & Liu at Autumn Classic and NHK.
Carreira & Ponomarenko at Nebelhorn and Tallinn.
Gilles & Poirier at Nebelhorn and 4CCs.
Kaliszek & Spodyriev at Skate America, Tallinn, Mentor Torun, and Europeans.
Koch & Nuchtern at the International Halloween Cup, Golden Spin, and Europeans.
Moscheni & Fabbri at the Volvo Open and Egna.
Stepanova & Bukin at the Helsinki GP and Europeans.
Zagorski & Guerreiro at NHK.
Skoptcova & Aleshin at NHK and Tallinn.
Evdokimova & Bazin at Rostelecom.
Kerry & Dodds at the Warsaw Cup and 4CCs.
Sinitsina & Katsalapov at the GPF and Europeans.
Yanovskaya & Lukacs at Golden Spin.
Kublikova & Hulitski at Mentor Torun and Europeans.
Papadakis & Cizeron at Europeans.
Smart & Diaz at Europeans.
Tweedale & Buckland at Europeans.
Ichilov & Davidovich at Europeans.
Chock & Bates at 4CCs.
Weaver & Poje at 4CCs.
Chen & Sun at 4CCs.
Urban & Steffan at the Bavarian Open.

Teams that have earned a Level 4 (YYYY) on the pattern:
McNamara & Carpenter (On both parts at Skate America. Also on the second part at Inge Solar).
Zagorski & Guerreiro (On both parts, the second part at Skate America, Warsaw Cup, and the GPF, the first part at NHK)
Kaliszek & Spodyriev (On both parts at Europeans. Also on the first part at Tallinn and Mentor Torun, the second part at the Warsaw Cup).
Koch & Nuchtern (On both parts at Golden Spin). Also on the first part at the Halloween Cup and Europeans.
Yanovskaya & Lukacs (On both parts at Golden Spin).
Guignard & Fabbri (On both parts, the first part at the Helsinki GP and the GPF, the second part at Europeans).
Tweedale & Buckland (On both parts, the second part at Golden Spin, the first part at Europeans).
Wang & Liu (On the first part at the Autumn Classic).
Carreira & Ponomarenko (On the first part at Nebelhorn).
Turkkila & Versluis (On the first part at Minsk-Arena Ice Star).
Tessari & Fioretti (On the first part at Minsk-Arena Ice Star and Egna).
Papadakis & Cizeron (On the second part at Internationaux de France and Europeans).
Skoptcova & Aleshin (On the second part at Tallinn).
Sinitsina & Katsalapov (On the first part at the GPF and Europeans).
Popova & Mozgov (On the second part at Golden Spin).
Muller & Dieck (On the second part at Golden Spin).
Kublikova & Hulitski (on the first part at Mentor Torun).
Stepanova & Bukin (on the second part at Europeans).
Reed & Ambrulevicius (on the second part at Europeans).
Chock & Bates (on the first part at 4CCs).
Weaver & Poje (on the first part at 4CCs).
Chen & Sun (on the first part at 4CCs).
Urban & Steffan (on the second part at the Bavarian Open).
 
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For a counter-example, there's Gilles/Poirier. They missed the Olympics in 2014 and then went to 4C's, where they earned a bucket of WS points, which put them skating in the second half for Worlds 2014, while their main rivals, Paul/Islam, who went to the Olympics, skated in the first half, just like in the Olympics, drawing 16/32 teams in the SD. G/P drew 30/32. G/P put over a point between them in the SD to land in the penultimate group for the FD, while P/I skated in the group before the ice cut. G/P beat P/I by over 5 points in total, and that established the internal and international hierarchy, Gadbois or no Gadbois.
Yes, I agree with you that the skate order at 2014 Worlds benefited G&P. They won a silver medal at 2014 Four Continents the month before, which helped their points going into Worlds.

But it wasn't *that* surprising that G&P finished ahead of P&I at 2014 Worlds. People forget that 2014 Nationals was a bit of a fluke. G&P had beaten P&I in almost every event over the prior years (eg. 2011, 2012, 2013).

The main reason that P&I finished ahead of G&P at 2014 Nationals was because Paul broke his ankle in the Summer of 2013, and he & Piper lost several months of training time while he recovered from surgery and was in a cast. So G&P were not in their usual peak condition at 2014 Nationals. By the time of 2014 Worlds, the standings between G&P and P&I returned to where they had been before.
 

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I went to Skate from the Heart to see WISA (Wheaton Ice Skating Academy) skaters on Saturday.
Even though this was a show, most skaters skated their competitive programs.
Green/Green and Gropman/Sommerville looked good! :)
I really hope that they all have a great time in Zagreb!

BTW, Rachel was not there, so Michael Parsons did a solo dance, which was nice!
And he even did a jump during the finale. :D
 
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The main reason that P&I finished ahead of G&P at 2014 Nationals was because Paul broke his ankle in the Summer of 2013, and he & Piper lost several months of training time while he recovered from surgery and was in a cast. So G&P were not in their usual peak condition at 2014 Nationals. By the time of 2014 Worlds, the standings between G&P and P&I returned to where they had been before
They rarely competed head-to-head internationally as seniors: the first one I can find was Autumn International 2014, which was the Fall after the Olympics. (I'm on my phone, so I may have missed one.) International judges don't necessarily agree with Skate Canada's judges. Plus, P&I were usually the ones to shoot themselves in their own feet.

Gilles & Poirier had a wonderfully telegenic FD in 2013-14, but they were very slow, and her skating skills dragged. They did not become speedsters in the few months between Canadian Nationals and Worlds.

P&I had great edges and flow in 2013-14, and because they weren't hurting themselves, they were markedly improved. Going to the Olympics was a double-edged sword for them. Score-wise, internationally, G/P's Fall 2012 scores were lower than P/I's Fall 2013 scores, to compare scores when Poirier wasn't injured.
 

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