The Shibutanis Thread Cinco...Mambo!

It's all interesting, especially after the lengthy complaint that Hubbell's mother posted to Facebook last week (see the former ice dancer Denis Petukhov facebook page from a week ago during the team event.)
https://www.facebook.com/petukhov1

Thanks for sharing, that was quite the interesting read :eek:. (Was also a bit surprised to see Lynn Rutherford of IceNetwork commenting so freely there.)

Maia/Alex can absolutely win this medal today. As I’ve said, I am a fan of both them and H/D ... but as I review the performances in my mind, I keep having the feeling that Shibs should probably have come ahead. But seriously, the point margin is so small as to be nonexistent. They're tied. With the way Rogers scored the 2 teams, I hope she doesn’t make it onto the final panel. Haven’t there been other complaints about her?
 
Thanks for sharing, that was quite the interesting read :eek:. (Was also a bit surprised to see Lynn Rutherford of IceNetwork commenting so freely there.)

Maia/Alex can absolutely win this medal today. As I’ve said, I am a fan of both them and H/D ... but as I review the performances in my mind, I keep having the feeling that Shibs should probably have come ahead. But seriously, the point margin is so small as to be nonexistent. They're tied. With the way Rogers scored the 2 teams, I hope she doesn’t make it onto the final panel. Haven’t there been other complaints about her?

Yes definitely. She is a definite homer judge. I remember people complaining about how they low-balled the Russian teams at Skate America 2016 (where Shibs/H&D were both at).
 
I truly think they can get that medal, but I just remembered that the other couples behind H/D and Shibs are relatively close too :shuffle:.

Do you remember Sochi, they were so young and their performances were great. Now, their self confidence is a lot higher.
 
Just had a chance to watch the top ten teams even though I knew the results at 4:30 this morning. The Shibs behind H/D leaves me with a bad taste for the FS. That said the Shibs SD was such a great skate, loved it! Shout out to Anna and Luca they really stepped up their SD! For me these two teams were the highlights of the competition! I will be able to watch the FS live tonight and I will be cheering very loudly for the Shibs!
 
http://time.com/5155292/maia-alex-shibutani-skating-siblings-olympics-2018/
TIME: Maia and Alex Shibutani Are Everyone's Favorite Skating Siblings. Here's How They Got to the Olympics

USA TODAY SPORTS:
Social media trolls need to move on from criticizing the ice dancing Shibutani siblings
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...-media-trolls-ice-dancing-siblings/350368002/

Just Jared: Olympic Ice Dancer Maia Shibutani Does Her Own Performance Makeup (Exclusive) http://www.justjaredjr.com/2018/02/...ni-does-her-own-performance-makeup-exclusive/

AOI : https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...he-shibutanis-its-all-in-the-family/23365243/
Sister-brother Olympic ice dancing? For the Shibutanis, it's all in the family

http://ew.com/tv/2018/02/18/olympics-2018-maia-alex-shibutani-must-list-coldplay/
Olympics 2018: Ice dancers Maia and Alex Shibutani share their Must List and Coldplay connection

The Shibutani Siblings’ Short Dance Music Is Keeping With A Theme, & Here’s Why: https://www.elitedaily.com/p/the-sh...sic-is-keeping-with-a-theme-heres-why-8257588


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...18-reaction-to-americas-performance-on-sunday

ICENETWORK http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2018/02/19/266712926

It seems that Tanith was very complimentary with the Shibs this time :lol:
 
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I love the Shibs attitude. In a fair world they’d be in second place or at least closer to it points wise. However, the Shibs won’t give up and will give it their all for the FD. I can’t wait to see them perform. I have a feeling there will be an extra fire in them.
 

I love the Shibs attitude. In a fair world they’d be in second place or at least closer to it points wise. However, the Shibs won’t give up and will give it their all for the FD. I can’t wait to see them perform. I have a feeling there will be an extra fire in them.

I'm loving the HONEY BADGER they're showing here. SLLLAAAYYY!

ETA: No seriously. What a long way from a few years ago right? I love they're playing it cool and not letting the scores get to them -- they know how to play the political game now.
 
I think last night made it even more abundantly clear that they have to go out there and fight for everything. They will be handed nothing. This is where our Shibs excel though. They are going to kill it tonight and leave with no regrets regardless of what happens.
 
Like okay guys, what's going on, eh? But sure we weren't surprised. Did you catch the Olympic Ice episode online where Tanith & Terry were in the booth in Pyeongchang, and the hosts were in the studio back in the U.S.? Charlie got to say hello to his wife. :) And Ben got to say hello to his former partner.

Tanith actually asked Ben whether he could tell why the Shibs were dinged with a Level 2 on their pattern because she couldn't see anything wrong with ther naked eyes. Ben responded that he couldn't see a problem with his naked eyes either, but on replay he detected some miniscule issue with flat of blade or something or other! :duh:

What does that tell us? The judges were absolutely hunting for ways to keep the Shibs down in the scoring. They put a microscope on them. Meanwhile, no review whatsoever for B/S! Such bs!

I'll be honest that I love Madi & Zach, and I truly enjoy their SD and their FD. I do think H/D and the Shibs are about even right now in ability, but that the Shibs' SD is stellar, even better than V/M's and P/C's (especially at the start of the season). I think that H/D's FD has been better than the Shibs' all season, but the Shibs made some important improvements to their FD and it looked great in the team event. However, I think it's already been decided somehow that if H/D perform well enough they will win bronze, or else the judges would prefer that H/D and the Shibs cancel each other out, so that another politically-favored team can be sneaked in there. Why were B/S and C/L skating in the final group anyway over the Shibs and C/B?

For the team event strategy, US fed was caught in a bind. They did not want to keep Mirai or Adam out of the team event. And so they had to make the no-switch decision for ice dance. And their choice seems to suggest that USFS are expecting H/D to medal in the individual event. Obviously, that's not a guarantee, but apparently it's the more expected and hoped for outcome. I'm sure the Shibs saw the writing on the wall. And so in the individual event, by this point, they have nothing to lose, and are just going for it.

Much of this is obviously political and not based on the skaters' abilities and performances. If it was based on the actual performances, how the hell are C/L and B/S ahead of Gilles/Poirier and Chock/Bates? No way. Even Weav/Po are a tad better than C/L and B/S for God's sake. Clearly, the judges were itching to push B/S close to the Shibs, but they just couldn't manage. And I suppose Cinquanta wants his Italians in the mix. I mean even in pairs, while Marchei/Hotarek performed extremely well, their scores were overly high, IMHO. Cappellini/Lanotte were shocked themselves to be ahead of B/S. Lots of politicks going on with those scores.

Woo, re Gaby's costume malfunction. Boy was it a distraction. I felt sorry for them. But everyone knows, their SD score was overly high for that distracted performance. Still, I have to commend them for getting through that performance without a major mistake. They were clearly distracted. Their team had been working on trying to secure the catch of Gaby's top right before the performance too. Why didn't someone grab a good old trusty safety pin or two? No one in the viewing audience would have been the wiser, and I think Gaby's top might have at least held together, and not been distracting and problematic for them.
 
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You know I was thinking last night why I prefer the Shibs to H/D. It
Like okay guys, what's going on, eh? But sure we weren't surprised. Did you catch the Olympic Ice episode online where Tanith & Terry were in the booth in Pyeongchang, and the hosts were in the studio back in the U.S.? Charlie got to say hello to his wife. :) And Ben got to say hello to his former partner.

Tanith actually asked Ben whether he could tell why the Shibs were dinged with a Level 2 on their pattern because she couldn't see anything wrong with ther naked eyes. Ben responded that he couldn't see a problem with his naked eyes either, but on replay he detected some miniscule issue with flat of blade or something or other! :duh:

What does that tell us? The judges were absolutely hunting for ways to keep the Shibs down in the scoring. They put a microscope on them. Meanwhile, no review whatsoever for B/S! Such bs!

I'll be honest that I love Madi & Zach, and I truly enjoy their SD and their FD. I do think H/D and the Shibs are about even right now in ability, but that the Shibs' SD is stellar, even better than V/M's and P/C's (especially at the start of the season). I think that H/D's FD has been better than the Shibs' all season, but the Shibs made some important improvements to their FD and it looked great in the team event. However, I think it's already been decided somehow that if H/D perform well enough they will win bronze, or else the judges would prefer that H/D and the Shibs cancel each other out, so that another politically-favored team can be sneaked in there. Why were B/S and C/L skating in the final group anyway over the Shibs and C/B?

For the team event strategy, US fed was caught in a bind. They did not want to keep Mirai or Adam out of the team event. And so they had to make the no-switch decision for ice dance. And their choice seems to suggest that USFS are expecting H/D to medal in the individual event. Obviously, that's not a guarantee, but apparently it's the more expected and hoped for outcome. I'm sure the Shibs saw the writing on the wall. And so in the individual event, by this point, they have nothing to lose, and are just going for it.

Much of this is obviously political and not based on the skaters' abilities and performances. If it was based on the actual performances, how the hell are C/L and B/S ahead of Gilles/Poirier and Chock/Bates? No way. Even Weav/Po are a tad better than C/L and B/S for God's sake. Clearly, the judges were itching to push B/S close to the Shibs, but they just couldn't manage. And I suppose Cinquanta wants his Italians in the mix. I mean even in pairs, while Marchei/Hotarek performed extremely well, their scores were overly high, IMHO. Cappellini/Lanotte were shocked themselves to be ahead of B/S. Lots of politicks going on with those scores.

Woo, re Gaby's costume malfunction. Boy was it a distraction. I felt sorry for them. But everyone knows, their SD score was overly high for that distracted performance. Still, I have to commend them for getting through that performance without a major mistake. They were clearly distracted. Their team had been working on trying to secure the catch of Gaby's top right before the performance too. Why didn't someone grab a good old trusty safety pin or two? No one in the viewing audience would have been the wiser, and I think Gaby's top might have at least held together, and not been distracting and problematic for them.

I find H/D's skating to have a certain lack of fluidity and lightness. I feel exhausted after watching them.
 
You know I was thinking last night why I prefer the Shibs to H/D. It


I find H/D's skating to have a certain lack of fluidity and lightness. I feel exhausted after watching them.

Yes, well that's how you see them. We are going to be drawn to certain skaters more than others for whatever reason. It probably happens to the judges too, in addition to their conflicts of interest and the rampant politics. ;)

I'm in love with the Shibs and H/D for different reasons.
 
If USFS was trying to spread the wealth by making the Shibs politically ineligible for a individual medal, that's kinda crappy... That's not how you treat the team that's brought home medals in the GPF/Worlds multiple seasons in a row.

I'm hoping that's not the case...
 
I love the Shibs attitude. In a fair world they’d be in second place or at least closer to it points wise. However, the Shibs won’t give up and will give it their all for the FD. I can’t wait to see them perform. I have a feeling there will be an extra fire in them.

Sorry, I'm not seeing that. The shibs Rhumba pattern was not as smooth or effortless as P/C, V/M nor H/D. If anything, I thought H/D no touch steps and rhumba was one of the tops in the SD. P/C's pattern was the best of the night.

You know I was thinking last night why I prefer the Shibs to H/D. It


I find H/D's skating to have a certain lack of fluidity and lightness. I feel exhausted after watching them.

lol
 
Sorry, I'm not seeing that. The shibs Rhumba pattern was not as smooth or effortless as P/C, V/M nor H/D. If anything, I thought H/D no touch steps and rhumba was one of the tops in the SD. P/C's pattern was the best of the night.

Hey, welcome. Hubbell and Donohue did a nice job last night.

FWIW, the judges gave the Shibs the higher non-touch step sequence score.
 
Maia/Alex can absolutely win this medal today. As I’ve said, I am a fan of both them and H/D ... but as I review the performances in my mind, I keep having the feeling that Shibs should probably have come ahead. But seriously, the point margin is so small as to be nonexistent. They're tied.

Yeah, I think both teams have equal ability but shine in different ways. I absolutely love them both. C/B clearly are not a bad team either compared to the other top skaters. A lot of this boils down to politics. The Shibs were probably dinged unfairly because they are being looked at under a microscope. I think there's a lot of stuff going on behind-the-scenes. And unfortunately, USFS had to make a decision in the team event that went against H/D sharing in a medal. So that tells me they decided H/D could battle to get on the medal podium in the individual event.

Since V/M likely won't go to Worlds, it would be cool if H/D and the Shibs could both be on the podium there, but I'm afraid country politics might not allow that. The Shibs' FD let them down a bit this season, but they worked it out and it looks so much better now (how they performed it in the team event). Meanwhile, H/D have been rocking their programs and what they do well all season. Yes, H/D have had slight hiccoughs here and there as can happen to any team. I think we were all shocked when hiccoughs happened to the Shibs at GPF and U.S. Nationals. I think the Shibs were a bit distracted and still trying to work through issues with their FD at Nationals. (Plus their friend Ross Miner had just been dumped on earlier in the same day they had to skate their FD).
 
Just quickly skimming social media, I'm glad the Shibs have seen the incredible amount of love and support expressed after the SD. Everyone knows what's up and their SD and their skating and they themselves have really made an impact to the outside world. They have a bright future ahead of them whether they continue competing after this season or not.

Hey, welcome. Hubbell and Donohue did a nice job last night.

FWIW, the judges gave the Shibs the higher non-touch score.

The judges overall have the Shibs higher GOE for good reason. The fact that they practically tied despite having like a 1.7 BV deficit based on a review on the rhumba pattern that was originally called level 3, says a lot about how the judges admire their quality. As Sandra Bezic said, when it comes to skating skills they really are the Patrick Chan of ice dance.
 
Yes, well that's how you see them. We are going to be drawn to certain skaters more than others for whatever reason. It probably happens to the judges too, in addition to their conflicts of interest and the rampant politics. ;)

I'm in love with the Shibs and H/D for different reasons.

Well Aftershocks, it's not that I think H/D are terrible skaters; clearly, they are talented. But, there is something missing for me. Last year I attributed it to the free dance, which I disliked (Montreal mush does not suit them). I think their free dance set to blues this season is a much better style for them, and they seem more comfortable skating it.
 
Well Aftershocks, it's not that I think H/D are terrible skaters; clearly, they are talented. But, there is something missing for me. Last year I attributed it to the free dance, which I disliked (Montreal mush does not suit them). I think their free dance set to blues this season is a much better style for them, and they seem more comfortable skating it.

Oh boy, to each their own. H/D's fd last season was epic gorgeousness. :swoon: And the way they came back this season is nothing short of spectacular (particularly after their disastrous mistake in Helsinki Worlds fd after being in 3rd place in sd). There's no getting away from the fact that Dubreuil/Lauzon have built a powerhouse ice dance training camp. Taking a look at the V/M promo vid (directed to a French speaking audience) gave some insights into the meticulous and thorough approach D/L take, with lots of expert back-up. I'm very impressed! Without a doubt, H/D made a career transformative decision moving to train with D/L in Montreal. It has certainly helped H/D tremendously to be training in the same environment with V/M and P/C.

I do think the Shibs' sd this season is boss when they skate it lights out. The Shibs' fd has been problematic but I think they've found a happy medium. It's been a difficult season for the Shibs, but they are amazing the way they've weathered the storm.
 
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Hey, welcome. Hubbell and Donohue did a nice job last night.

FWIW, the judges gave the Shibs the higher non-touch step sequence score.

All I know is that I never want to see another rhumba SD as long as I live. I am hoping I will not outlive the cycle and have to go through it again:yikes:
 

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