The Dance Hall 6: We're All Off Our Rockers 2018-2019

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Peepsquick said:
Guys, I need some help here! I want to be awed by P/G's FD by I simply don't see what you all are so ecstatic about ...
Is it the song that carries everybody away?
I find, for example, the opening lift awkward and I found their skating overall clumsy in Grenoble.
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Gilles/Poirier? I am not a fan of the lifts in this program (except for the one where Piper is upside down ).. I think they are very awkward looking with not so attractive positions...
 
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To see them live maybe ? At first the least I can say was I wasn't enthralled by their music choice and I was wondering if they would provide their fans with Prozac or, on the contrary, a rope to hang themselves :lol: That's the effect Yamagata's music has on me. On a rainy day after a shitty day at work I want to sue her for mental cruelty :rofl: In the meantime, I was confident they'd be able to make me love the program in spite of the depressing songs. And sure, they did. I think the camera/video doesn't do justice to their speed, flow, and the way each of their moves perfectly follows and underlines each accents and notes of the melodies. It's a whole. The songs without P/C skating to them don't do anything to me. With the sound effect and the vibes you can feel in a rink, it's totally different. The main difference with their previous FDs is the constant and high speed. They are as smooth as ever but their lifts and spins defy gravity. When I watched them at practice on the morning of the FD, my first thought was that the 1st part of the FD could cure insomnia... But the whole package was not there and I was sorely mistaken. Things were very different during the competition. It's a physical experience, you hold your breath, hanging on by the edge of your seat. It's like going white water rafting. You're afraid to tip over and drown but thrilled and completely carried away all the same. I think the filming at Grenoble Grand Prix wasn't very good. Unecessary close-ups and "legs cutting" that mess up the general impression. Or maybe, it's just me and what I just wrote is total nonsense :shuffle:

EDIT : Oooops were you talking about Gilles/Poirier ? I read P/C where you wrote P/G !! Well I'm not that moved by Starry Night either even if I like it.
 
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Peepsquick said:
Guys, I need some help here! I want to be awed by P/G's FD by I simply don't see what you all are so ecstatic about ...
Is it the song that carries everybody away?
I find, for example, the opening lift awkward and I found their skating overall clumsy in Grenoble.
What am I missing? Help!
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I'm with you. Too many elements are in the centre of the rink. There's lots of awkwardness in elements. The thematics are confused. The bit when he grabs his ear when Govardo is singing about Van Gogh killing himself is a nonsense- Van Gogh shot himself in the stomach a significant amount of time after he cut his ear off, which wasn't a suicide attempt. And the overall skating needs to be better to glue all the bits together properly- there's a lack of an organic feel. In addition the tempo/rhythm change of the Riverdance section lasts under 30 seconds and feels completely cursory. Post the previous, the programme is light on transitions too. A lot of the elements can be very reasonably docked on aesthetic grounds.

The reason it got such a high mark at SCI was sympathy over the Rd, and the crowd clapping every little thing they did as much as they could to influence the result.

The score at Grenoble was completely in line with what they got at Rostelecom last year. Carol Lane doing her usual it was such an anomaly that they got a lower score here routine, and saying that the technical panel "seemed to take offence" to a lot of what they are doing is the sort of attitude that explains why a team that was 6th in 2015 and whose last four years should have been a time of real meaningful development, can now reasonably be ranked 7th in the World.

The fact after getting that score at Grenoble, they have not got back to their rink to improve anything, but are now competing in Zagreb, is something I shake my head at. Even if it is an attempt to pass Chock/Bates in the world rankings and be in the final group at Worlds. It feels like a trip to another doctor for a second opinion.

That said, I do enjoy the FD! But really, they are going nowhere competitively........
 
cholla said:
To see them live maybe ? At first the least I can say was I wasn't enthralled by their music choice and I was wondering if they would provide their fans with Prozac or, on the contrary, a rope to hang themselves :lol: That's the effect Yamagata's music has on me. On a rainy day after a shitty day at work I want to sue her for mental cruelty :rofl: In the meantime, I was confident they'd be able to make me love the program in spite of the depressing songs. And sure, they did. I think the camera/video doesn't do justice to their speed, flow, and the way each of their moves perfectly follows and underline each accents and moves of the melodies. It's a whole. The songs without P/C skating to them don't do anything to me. With the sound effect and the vibes you can feel in a rink, it's totally different. The main difference with their previous FDs is the constant and high speed. They are as smooth as ever but their lifts and spins defy gravity. When I watched them at practice on the morning of the FD, my first thought was that the 1st part of the FD could cure insomnia... But the whole package was not there and I was sorely mistaken. Things were very different during the competition. It's a physical experience, you hold your breath hanging on by the edge of your seat. It's like going white water rafting. You're afraid to tip over and drown but thrilled and completely carried away all the same. I think the filming at Grenoble Grand Prix wasn't very good. Unecessary close-ups and "legs cutting" that mess up the general impression. Or maybe, it's just me and what I just wrote is total nonsense :shuffle:
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I think the question is about Gilles/Poirier... if I'm not mistaken.
 
Bigbird said:
If Sorensen were a bit more confident in his abilities and would let it go more they could easily be top 5. She has got it in her bones. Like these two.
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These two are great. They make me as happy as Dubreil & Lauzon did when they hit the international scene. I'd be thrilled if they had the same later success story or better!
 
Personally I like this new FD for Gilles & Poirier because I feel it has a strong theme--everything connected. I also especially like the section with the uplift in the tempo, which helps build the program well. And because the theme is unique and unlike any of the programs they have performed previously.
 
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I think it's popular because it has an interesting look about the choreography, a beautiful and unique dress, a storyline and music that hasn't been used before.

Not just another skater in a dark ombre dress skating a solemn program about nothing in particular. :)
 
cholla said:
To see them live maybe ? At first the least I can say was I wasn't enthralled by their music choice and I was wondering if they would provide their fans with Prozac or, on the contrary, a rope to hang themselves :lol: That's the effect Yamagata's music has on me. On a rainy day after a shitty day at work I want to sue her for mental cruelty :rofl: In the meantime, I was confident they'd be able to make me love the program in spite of the depressing songs. And sure, they did. I think the camera/video doesn't do justice to their speed, flow, and the way each of their moves perfectly follows and underlines each accents and notes of the melodies. It's a whole. The songs without P/C skating to them don't do anything to me. With the sound effect and the vibes you can feel in a rink, it's totally different. The main difference with their previous FDs is the constant and high speed. They are as smooth as ever but their lifts and spins defy gravity. When I watched them at practice on the morning of the FD, my first thought was that the 1st part of the FD could cure insomnia... But the whole package was not there and I was sorely mistaken. Things were very different during the competition. It's a physical experience, you hold your breath, hanging on by the edge of your seat. It's like going white water rafting. You're afraid to tip over and drown but thrilled and completely carried away all the same. I think the filming at Grenoble Grand Prix wasn't very good. Unecessary close-ups and "legs cutting" that mess up the general impression. Or maybe, it's just me and what I just wrote is total nonsense :shuffle:

EDIT : Oooops were you talking about Gilles/Poirier ? I read P/C where you wrote P/G !! Well I'm not that moved by Starry Night either even if I like it.
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Happens to me too ;) ... I was talking about G/P. I do like this team and have be a fan of previous programs but this one ... I just don't see what many people seem to love.
And as for P/C I am also not a fan of their FD music this year but honestly they could pretty much use any kind of music and still wow me. They just are that good. I am still puzzled to see many people getting excited for the first time by their year's program. Again ... ist it music?
 
Hawayek/Baker's free dance is one that looks like every Gadbois angsty FD got put in a blender and they produced that dance. I could actually see bits of the choreography that other teams have used all stuck together.

But seeing as this is a development year going to a new training camp, I'll give them a pass. Because they are probably working on aspects of their skating and don't have time to concentrate too much on packaging. Often it takes a couple of years for a team to really settle into a training environment and the improvements to start showing.
 
Dobre said:
Well, personally, I like this new FD for Gilles & Poirier because I feel it has a strong theme--everything connected. I also especially like the section with the uplift in the tempo, which helps build the program well. And because the theme is unique and unlike any of the programs they have performed previously.
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So, it's more an intellectual reaction ... because it is a story?

Icetigger's quote: Too many elements are in the centre of the rink. There's lots of awkwardness in elements. The thematics are confused. The bit when he grabs his ear when Govardo is singing about Van Gogh killing himself is a nonsense- Van Gogh shot himself in the stomach a significant amount of time after he cut his ear off, which wasn't a suicide attempt. And the overall skating needs to be better to glue all the bits together properly- there's a lack of an organic feel. In addition the tempo/rhythm change of the Riverdance section lasts under 30 seconds and feels completely cursory. Post the previous, the programme is light on transitions too. A lot of the elements can be very reasonably docked on aesthetic grounds.

It also feels to me more like a jamble of ideas, emotions than a strong story line. I get caught up on specific moves that I can't really put together as underlining a story. It feels all over the place to me.
 
starrynight said:
Hawayek/Baker's free dance is one that looks like every Gadbois angsty FD got put in a blender and they produced that dance. I could actually see bits of the choreography that other teams have used all stuck together.

But seeing as this is a development year going to a new training camp, I'll give them a pass. Because they are probably working on aspects of their skating and don't have time to concentrate too much on packaging. Often it takes a couple of years for a team to really settle into a training environment and the improvements to start showing.
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Yes, their FD is very much in the style of P/C and I think that they could really successfully follow their own path. I loved last year's short program!
 
Well, I personally have never been much of a fan of Gilles & Poirier. It's no small thing that I like this program. Is there an intellectual appeal within the program for me? Yes, I think there is. We've seen umpteen generic soft & flowy, often romantic programs over the past several years. Many teams currently on their third or fourth in a row.

It is not Gilles & Poirier's fault that all those teams keep doing it. (Like McNamara & Carpenter, G&P are trying something that is different for them). So I can appreciate that. And I also appreciate that it has a clear theme, one that has more to it than just romance. I kind of love that it interweaves three different versions of art within it (music/skating/visual art). You could say it is an offshoot of Hurtado & Diaz's Picasso program, which I also really enjoyed. And before that Gordeeva & Grinkov's Rodin program. Also I greatly appreciate that the different tempos still feel so naturally interwoven within the same theme. The program feels like a whole and not a rehash of something I've seen before.
 
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Icetigger said:
The score at Grenoble was completely in line with what they got at Rostelecom last year.
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Why would what they got at Rostelecom in the previous season under a different judging system and with a different program be a point of comparison?

The 120 score at SCI wasn't merely a sympathy card. It's very much in line with what they got at Nebelhorn for a performance that featured some minor issues. Plainly at IdF the performance just wasn't as good (same with the RD, which obviously was better than SCI, but more tentative at Nebelhorn).
 
Dobre said:
Well, I personally have never been much of a fan of Gilles & Poirier. It's no small thing that I like this program. Is there an intellectual appeal within the program for me? Yes, I think there is. We've seen umpteen generic soft & flowy, often romantic programs over the past several years. Many teams currently on their third or fourth in a row.

It is not Gilles & Poirier's fault that all those teams keep doing it. (Like McNamara & Carpenter, G&P are trying something that is different for them). So I can appreciate that. And I also appreciate that it has clear theme, one that has more to it than just romance. I kind of love that it interweaves three different versions of art within it (music/skating/visual art). You could say it is an offshoot of Hurtado & Diaz's Picasso program, which I also really enjoyed. And before that Gordeeva & Grinkov's Rodin program. Also I greatly appreciate that the different tempos still feel so naturally interwoven within the same theme. The program feels like a whole and not a rehash of something I've seen before.
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Well, I find G/P more "generic soft & flowy" this year than I have ever seen them before and I don't think it suit them (it actually doesn't suit many teams). I like them quirky and original.
 
Peepsquick said:
It also feels to me more like a jamble of ideas, emotions than a strong story line. I get caught up on specific moves that I can't really put together as underlining a story. It feels all over the place to me.
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It is exactly that- a jumble. There is no bigger picture from these guys- in terms of the programme, what they do out on the ice, and how they present themselves to the judges, and it isn't being supplied by their coaching team.
 
VIETgrlTerifa said:
I'm glad some people don't like Gilles/Poirier's FD. Like some TV and film these days, I'm starting to get suspicious of any sort of art that has near-consensus approval. Makes me think they're not saying anything worth saying at all.
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Also, what would be the point of having a general discussion dance thread? If we all liked the same thing, we would never have any interesting conversations here.

There's a quote in Iron Jawed Angels where a character says, "If everyone approved, there'd be no point to it." I love that quote.
 
I wasn't too into G & P's fd when I finally saw it HOWEVER I did finally see P & C's To Build A Home (I am still catching up on the last few years of skating pre this year's Olympics) and wow, I take back some (though not all) of my slander earlier in the thread. Though I do still think in general I like a more emphatic style, that particular program is incredible, I see why it boosted them up the ranks for sure.
 
To those who feel annoyed that Poirier clutches his ear painfully, may I say that it could have been much worse? What if he had a bloody bandage over his ear? My Sunday night snark and I bet I'm not the only person to have thought this!
Wicked humour aside, I love this program and I hope they do even better with it!
 
Michalle said:
I wasn't too into G & P's fd when I finally saw it HOWEVER I did finally see P & C's To Build A Home (I am still catching up on the last few years of skating pre this year's Olympics) and wow, I take back some (though not all) of my slander earlier in the thread. Though I do still think in general I like a more emphatic style, that particular program is incredible, I see why it boosted them up the ranks for sure.
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It was not the 'To Build a Home' program that "boosted" P/C up the ranks, but their Mozart FD the season before (with it they first became European and Worlds champions).
 
lauravvv said:
It was not the 'To Build a Home' program that "boosted" P/C up the ranks, but their Mozart FD the season before (with it they first became European and Worlds champions).
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Ah, that's what I get for forming so many of my ideas about the 2014-2018 cycle other than the Olympics itself from random comments on FSU. I'll check that one out too!
 
Michalle said:
Ah, that's what I get for forming so many of my ideas about the 2014-2018 cycle other than the Olympics itself from random comments on FSU. I'll check that one out too!
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Mozart gave them their first world gold medal, and it put them into the conversation of the top team.

But build a home is the program that cemented their status as a team who is superior to the other top team at the time. Build a home enabled P/C to be at D/W and V/M level. Their first world record.
 
Can I take a moment to mourn that the Youtube accounts getting suspended are the very ones that uploaded all the ice dances in every event in HD? There are still accounts out there that upload only singles, or only Russians, or only Japanese skaters, but now there's one left that reliably uploads every ice dance. There may be none by next week.
 
laviemn said:
Can I take a moment to mourn that the Youtube accounts getting suspended are the very ones that uploaded all the ice dances in every event in HD? There are still accounts out there that upload only singles, or only Russians, or only Japanese skaters, but now there's one left that reliably uploads every ice dance. There may be none by next week.
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Do we know why? It makes zero sense! What is going on? It's not as if Ice Dance is the most popular discipline of Figure Skating! How can the discipline gain visibility without the Youtube accounts?
 
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