The Dance Hall 6: We're All Off Our Rockers 2018-2019

[PRlady]

Ok, when that many people testify to bad behavior, I believe it. It’s a shame because Piper seems like a nice girl.

 

[barbarafan]

Ok, when that many people testify to bad behavior, I believe it. It’s a shame because Piper seems like a nice girl.

That doesn't seem very nice. The only time I noticed it was when someone showed a clip of it happening here not long ago. Someone should be telling them to knock it off.

 

[mirage]

Ok, when that many people testify to bad behavior, I believe it. It’s a shame because Piper seems like a nice girl.

Not so nice.

And I think she is, at the very least, equally responsible.

 

[allezfred]

Meh, I’ve always found Piper and Paul to be really nice. And skaters get in each other’s way the whole time innit.

 

[chantilly]

^true. But Paul seems to be more guilty then some.
I doubt it has anything to do with whether or not he’s nice.
He just may be a bit careless.
It happened during warm up at Canadians too.

 

[Dobre]

Per GS, Mysliveckova & Csolley have split. (Not surprising. I would guess he repartnered in order to go to the Olympics. But, thus far, nothing about retiring; just a message on his instagram about the split).

 

[binbinwinwin]

Piper and Paul are local for me and I usually meet Piper at CSOI watching in the audience and they've been nothing but nice and enthusiastic every time.

However their behaviour during practices has been an ongoing pattern. They did get in the way of Weaver/Poje at an Olympic practice during their music and I remember before Virtue/Moir's comeback there was a fan taken video where G/P got in their way during their music and Scott called out Paul by name to move. I heard they weren't very good during practices at CoR either. It's pretty egregious in my opinion.

 

[barbarafan]

Piper and Paul are local for me and I usually meet Piper at CSOI watching in the audience and they've been nothing but nice and enthusiastic every time.

However their behaviour during practices has been an ongoing pattern. They did get in the way of Weaver/Poje at an Olympic practice during their music and I remember before Virtue/Moir's comeback there was a fan taken video where G/P got in their way during their music and Scott called out Paul by name to move. I heard they weren't very good during practices at CoR either. It's pretty egregious in my opinion.

I just hope this kind of behavior is not being encouraged by any coaches. It has no place in a sport.

 

[VGThuy]

Piper and Paul are local for me and I usually meet Piper at CSOI watching in the audience and they've been nothing but nice and enthusiastic every time.

However their behaviour during practices has been an ongoing pattern. They did get in the way of Weaver/Poje at an Olympic practice during their music and I remember before Virtue/Moir's comeback there was a fan taken video where G/P got in their way during their music and Scott called out Paul by name to move. I heard they weren't very good during practices at CoR either. It's pretty egregious in my opinion.

Thank you for providing that insight.

I know things happen in warm-up and things are going full-speed, but I never seen teams react to G/P the way that they did. I never saw a skater like Kaitlyn seriously yell (not just to get out of the way but with serious frustration and anger in her voice) during their run-through because another team decided to do their side by side footwork in the middle of their competitor's run-through.

 

[believed]

However their behaviour during practices has been an ongoing pattern. They did get in the way of Weaver/Poje at an Olympic practice during their music and I remember before Virtue/Moir's comeback there was a fan taken video where G/P got in their way during their music and Scott called out Paul by name to move. I heard they weren't very good during practices at CoR either. It's pretty egregious in my opinion.

Here’s a video of 2018 Nats practice where they get in the way of V/M and Scott shouts, “Get out of the way, Paul!”

https://youtu.be/kZQFcMzAGaA Around :12-:15

 

[morqet]

G/P are far from the only team that do it. I remember seeing P/C repeatedly cut across I/Z's runthrough at Euros 2015, and then there was the incident with V/M at TEB in 2013. I doubt anyone tries to do it deliberately, there's too much risk of injury if they crash into another team. It's just thoughtlessness and most teams grow out of it.

 

[Dobre]

I think yelling is the normal way to avoid a crash during a warm-up. Teams don't have time for much else. I think someone has yelled to avoid a crash every time I have attended a GP. The rinks tend to be smaller. And it's always been the norm to see all the top dance teams come out full speed, showing what they've got to the judges before the competition. (Not all the teams do this, but it's a rarity when they don't).

The most hazards seem to happen with athletes that don't normally train in a high-intensity environment with a bunch of top teams or who are just moving up in the ranks. They don't tend to have the instinctive ability to maneuver around the faster teams. And the faster teams don't wait. They yell.

It was fascinating, during the International Team Challenge a couple years ago, to see how the singles men changed the way they went out on warm-up. It was a mixed warm-up with ladies on the ice. And the guys went out there all calm. As if they aren't normally bolting around the rink out to prove something.

 

[RoseRed]

Thank you for providing that insight.

I know things happen in warm-up and things are going full-speed, but I never seen teams react to G/P the way that they did. I never saw a skater like Kaitlyn seriously yell (not just to get out of the way but with serious frustration and anger in her voice) during their run-through because another team decided to do their side by side footwork in the middle of their competitor's run-through.

I do think that whether or not you see them coming plays into the reaction though. Like at NHK 2017 Nikita and Victoria actually ran into Tessa during NHK warmup, ripped her tights and bruised her leg. I'm sure Scott would have yelled at them had he seen them coming.

Or the incident at TEB 2013, Scott was visibly pissed at Gabi and Guillaume after they almost ran into them, but you can't yell at someone you don't see coming.

Not to excuse what G/P do, but I'm not sure that the reactions necessarily tell you anything.

 

[RoseRed]

I think yelling is the normal way to avoid a crash during a warm-up. Teams don't have time for much else. I think someone has yelled to avoid a crash every time I have attended a GP. The rinks tend to be smaller. And it's always been the norm to see all the top dance teams come out full speed, showing what they've got to the judges before the competition. (Not all the teams do this, but it's a rarity when they don't).

The most hazards seem to happen with athletes that don't normally train in a high-intensity environment with a bunch of top teams or who are just moving up in the ranks. They don't tend to have the instinctive ability to maneuver around the faster teams. And the faster teams don't wait. They yell.

It was fascinating, during the International Team Challenge a couple years ago, to see how the singles men changed the way they went out on warm-up. It was a mixed warm-up with ladies on the ice. And the guys went out there all calm. As if they aren't normally bolting around the rink out to prove something.

Agreed. As I horseback rider, I've yelled at people to move plenty of times, not because I'm mad, but because I need them to move quickly. In lessons, when we're jumping a course, often the other riders will stand in front of a jump and then move to another after the rider does it. Sometimes people are too slow or not paying attention, or just haven't moved far enough, so you yell.

 

[starrynight]

I think the jostling on the warm up ice can have a big impact though. I remember Poje took a big crash into the boards and a resultant knee injury at TdF 2017 I believe as a result of getting disorientated by/having to get out of the way of a team skating backwards into his path. It then no doubt impacted on their performance in the SD. That wasn't during practices though, but just during the scrum of warm ups. No doubt doing big arcs of backwards skating is another way to assert authority over the ice surface.

Meryl Davis has difficulty with depth perception and I remember her saying that she would always keep close to the boards during warm ups to try to keep out of the way.

 

[VGThuy]

I do think that whether or not you see them coming plays into the reaction though. Like at NHK 2017 Nikita and Victoria actually ran into Tessa during NHK warmup, ripped her tights and bruised her leg. I'm sure Scott would have yelled at them had he seen them coming.

Or the incident at TEB 2013, Scott was visibly pissed at Gabi and Guillaume after they almost ran into them, but you can't yell at someone you don't see coming.

Not to excuse what G/P do, but I'm not sure that the reactions necessarily tell you anything.

That’s a good point. It does sort of go into what I’m saying though. Careless behavior is careless behavior that pisses veteran skaters off who have participated in countless warm-ups whether you see them coming or not. I think we veteran skating fans can recognize normal close calls that can’t help but happen in a warm-up and other types of behavior. Like I said, I’m not saying whether it is intentional, but it has caused his competitors to react and maybe behavior should be altered. The fact that he has a growing reputation with that should say something as well.

 

[Scrufflet]

This is one really unpleasant aspect of skating. When I did ballroom dance years ago, my instructor told us that it was very important to have body awareness, your own and others, and to be careful as people could get hurt. That, before even tackling any of the dances! And it worked. He demonstrated by stopping everything each time it happened. People learned quickly.
I've observed quite a few of these situations in practice and warm-ups. This is NOT hockey! I wish they would confine their competitive natures to the actual program. And I really don't know what role coaches and others have in this.
I do remember hearing about a new skater at the Cricket Club a few years ago playing chicken with Hanyu. Tracy and Brian stopped everything, told him that this was not the way things were done there; Hanyu made an apology(gotta love this classy guy) and new skater realized his mistake and everything went smoothly from there.
When you reach this level, I think it is imperative to expect more from the athletes.

 

[mysticchic]

The rule is: whoever's music is on, gets the right of way. Other skaters are to get out of the way. In a warm up, the skaters are suppose to be aware of the other skaters and to not get into a situation of running into each other. I asked a top coach

 

[Debbie S]

The rule is: whoever's music is on, gets the right of way. Other skaters are to get out of the way. In a warm up, the skaters are suppose to be aware of the other skaters and to not get into a situation of running into each other. I asked a top coach

Yep. And those rules apply at all levels and everyday rink practice sessions. Skaters running their programs or in lesson have priority, and rink rules always state that when in doubt, yield. But you always have skaters who are oblivious (usually little kids but not always) or skaters with an attitude and coaches who don't always instruct their skaters to be aware and watch out for others - it is the nature of the beast.

By the time skaters reach the elite level, most are very good at seeing others and getting out of the way. Even if they look dangerously close, usually they know exactly where the other skater/team is and all is OK. But I have seen near-collisions at practice sessions at Nats where either a skater just didn't see the other skater behind them or wandered into the path of a skater on run-through. Either the skater or coach yells and the other jumps out of the way. From what I've seen, most skaters try very hard to stay out of the way of others but sometimes getting in the way can't be avoided. And I suppose there are skaters with an 'I own the ice attitude', like there are at every level in every rink. But fortunately, those are not common.

 

[barbarafan]

The rule is: whoever's music is on, gets the right of way. Other skaters are to get out of the way. In a warm up, the skaters are suppose to be aware of the other skaters and to not get into a situation of running into each other. I asked a top coach

Thank-you so much. So it seems there are some athletes and coaches who feel they are above the law and subscribe to the "if it works,do it" family. IE They are rogues. And PJ Kwongs...everyone does it does not cut the mustard. When I was little I had tried to get away with an infraction with my mom with the old "But everyone else does it" and her answer was always " You are not everyone else's daughter,,You are my daughter and my daughter doesn't" That answer never changed.

 

[topaz]

However, he cannot choreograph to save his life. He has a lot of choreography but a lot of it is done with no purpose and he resuses generic arm movements and facial expressions and such

To me what Igor lacks most right now are original program concepts. So many of his teams skate to music/concepts that have been done countless times before.

I thought Igor was using Rohene for several of his teams/skater for the last few years. I know chock/bates have used Rohene and Chris Dean for the last two years. Actually, I think their programs have had a lot of creativity and good choreography. I thought their 2016 SD was one of the best in the hip hop SD. Their midline steps choreography in that SD was brilliant, IMO.

Also, I have liked their free programs for the last 2 years. Their music choices have been more original that other teams(using Bruno Mars, Queen/ Bowie and Marc Anthony).



I recall Igor saying that he enjoyed the work that Rohene did for Chock/bates in 2015 exhib. program and decided to use him for his other teams the following year. We know that Rohene and Dean were used for Chock/Bates for last few years.

I think the article was on ice network, I can’t look for it now.

 

[clairecloutier]

@topaz Yes, I know that Chock/Bates have used outside choreographers the last couple years. And their programs have had some more original concepts.

I was talking not about them, but more about the rest of Igor's teams (e.g., Carreira/Ponomarenko, Tobias/Tkachenko when they were with Igor, Abachkina/Thauron, etc.).

 

[VGThuy]

His stuff for C/B has gotten better as they worked with Dean and Ward, but Igor needs somebody there full-time as they make changes throughout the season and see how best to present the movement and choreography as the season progresses. Also, his stuff for his other teams that don't use Dean and Ward is obvious and really needs a better choreographer and editor.

 

[chameleonster]

Rohene works with all of Igor's teams now, or nearly so, C/B just get the most attention because they're the top team. I have noticed an overall uptick in quality of the choreography for all his teams over the course of the quad, but an everyday choreographer for the teams who can't currently afford to fly out for a week to Colorado would be beneficial. I'd really like to see the potential Igor/Pasquale team up happen.

 

[RoseRed]

Rohene works with all of Igor's teams now, or nearly so, C/B just get the most attention because they're the top team. I have noticed an overall uptick in quality of the choreography for all his teams over the course of the quad, but an everyday choreographer for the teams who can't currently afford to fly out for a week to Colorado would be beneficial. I'd really like to see the potential Igor/Pasquale team up happen.

Not as the main choreographer. Min/Gamelin, Mansour/Ceska, Carreira/Ponomarenko, and Nguyen/Kolesnik all have only Igor listed as a choreographer. Coomes/Buckland have Dean and Philip Askew. Nazarova/Nikitin have Greg Zuerlein, Adrienne Lenda.

Chock and Bates are the only ones that list Rohene in their bio. They have Christopher Dean, Igor Shpilband, Rohene Ward.

 

[jackson]

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[Sylvia]

Ice Dance Drama Post-Olympics 2018 Update

Splits:
...
Stairs & Royer (He was on IPS. He is off it now).

I came across the new Junior Dance team of Yuka Orihara & Lee Royer (he is 19 & will turn 20 after July 1st; her DOB, I assume, is on her Twitter profile as 2000.6.26) listed on the VIDA website: http://www.vancouvericedance.com

Her previous partner was Kanata Mori (they were 4th in Senior at Japan Nationals this past December and competed once internationally together at 2018 Mentor Torun Cup in early February): http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00102355.htm
His last international competition with Ashlynne Stairs was the JGP in Minsk in late September 2017.

 

[IloveFS]

I came across the new Junior Dance team of Yuka Orihara & Lee Royer (he is 19 & will turn 20 after July 1st; her DOB, I assume, is on her Twitter profile as 2000.6.26) listed on the VIDA website: http://www.vancouvericedance.com

Her previous partner was Kanata Mori (they were 4th in Senior at Japan Nationals this past December and competed once internationally together at 2018 Mentor Torun Cup in early February): http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00102355.htm
His last international competition with Ashlynne Stairs was the JGP in Minsk in late September 2017.

I wonder if Ashlynne Stairs is going to continue skating with a new partner.

 

[RoseRed]

I came across the new Junior Dance team of Yuka Orihara & Lee Royer (he is 19 & will turn 20 after July 1st; her DOB, I assume, is on her Twitter profile as 2000.6.26) listed on the VIDA website: http://www.vancouvericedance.com

Her previous partner was Kanata Mori (they were 4th in Senior at Japan Nationals this past December and competed once internationally together at 2018 Mentor Torun Cup in early February): http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00102355.htm
His last international competition with Ashlynne Stairs was the JGP in Minsk in late September 2017.

Do we know what country they're likely to compete for?

 

[RoseRed]

I came across the new Junior Dance team of Yuka Orihara & Lee Royer (he is 19 & will turn 20 after July 1st; her DOB, I assume, is on her Twitter profile as 2000.6.26) listed on the VIDA website: http://www.vancouvericedance.com

Her previous partner was Kanata Mori (they were 4th in Senior at Japan Nationals this past December and competed once internationally together at 2018 Mentor Torun Cup in early February): http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00102355.htm
His last international competition with Ashlynne Stairs was the JGP in Minsk in late September 2017.

They are no longer listed as of now.