The Dance Hall 6: We're All Off Our Rockers 2018-2019

[barbarafan]

Why on earth would the Polish judge be singling out Weaver/Poje?

Maybe it was like picking off wings off a butterfly.....H/d did themselves in....W/p got creamed by judges...maybe the judge just hates W/P but what the judge gave them in GOE and PCS was not what happened on the ice.

 

[allezfred]

Maybe it was like picking off wings off a butterfly.....H/d did themselves in....W/p got creamed by judges...maybe the judge just hates W/P but what the judge gave them in GOE and PCS was not what happened on the ice.

It was though.

 

[sharsk8s]

Does anyone know what the max scores under the new system are?

 

[cocotaffy]

Does anyone know what the max scores under the new system are?

Answer from David Molina https://twitter.com/_David_Molina/status/1019514822256414722

 

[sharsk8s]

We are already getting close to the FD max, wow. I wouldn't be surprised if with good levels at worlds we might see a high 80s in the RD

 

[barbarafan]

It was though.

So do you feel that their level 4 twizzles should get GOE 0.....and their skating skills are 8.50? So the other judges were totally out to lunch?

 

[PRlady]

So do you feel that their level 4 twizzles should get GOE 0.....and their skating skills are 8.50? So the other judges were totally out to lunch?

I like W/P but those twizzles are seriously subpar compared to their other elements. So yeah they got the levels but I’m fine with 0 GOE.

SS at8.5 seems low to me too.

 

[Dobre]

Generally speaking, I agree with PR lady here. I really like this particular set up for Weaver & Poje's twizzles, but they did not execute them as powerfully as they could have in this particular performance.

I also think the skating skill mark of 8.5 would only be accurate, though, if the vast majority of other top teams had been given a lower mark. In this case I would say I disagree with it.

This is why there is a whole panel of judges. So that teams get a majority opinion. The Polish judge was the only judge other than the Canadian judge to place Weaver & Poje first in the RD so as a fan, I wouldn't be wishing to remove him/her from the panel. The same judge gave W&P 9.25 for Skating Skills in that dance, with the highest marks for all categories of PCS there.

 

[allezfred]

So do you feel that their level 4 twizzles should get GOE 0.....and their skating skills are 8.50? So the other judges were totally out to lunch?

Yes.

 

[chantilly]

I’d have to look at all the GOE bullet points to see if it deserved a 0 or not.
But they have very good skating skills.
8.5 seems low to me based on the way the judges mark in general.

But Twizzles are their worst element.

 

[sharsk8s]

https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2019...ionary-lift-yields-shock-result-in-ice-dance/ in addition to all the other information we already know Madi says they know the tech panel at worlds is tough

 

[shuilee]

“We already know the (technical) panel who is going to be at the world championships and its tough,” Hubbell said. “This is kind of a good wake-up call.”

Are Dostanti AND Elek gonna be on the tech panel together at Worlds?

 

[VGThuy]

It won't matter, they'll receive +3s and 4s for their level 2 tango romanticas.

 

[Debbie S]

“It’s a lift we’ve done over and over again this season. They (the technical panel) saw it all week in practice,” Hubbell said. “It was definitely shocking to hear they did not count it as a stationary lift.

Uh, b/c H/D made a mistake? Unless Hubbell is saying they've been doing it that (incorrect) way all season and the panel never called them on it. In which case, why were they doing it incorrectly and shouldn't they have known about it by now?

I know the lift is the big story, but the loss of points from the level drop on the spin would have been enough to drop them out of 1st, to 2nd, anyway, based on the TES that was posted at the end of the FD.

 

[sharsk8s]

When will we find out the tech panel at worlds or has it already been announced? If not I wonder how the skaters already know, maybe they are told in advance

 

[illyria]

“We already know the (technical) panel who is going to be at the world championships and its tough,” Hubbell said. “This is kind of a good wake-up call.”

Are Dostanti AND Elek gonna be on the tech panel together at Worlds?

Elek was tough on levels at Skate Canada and GPF, But Dostanti was not tough at Euros imo. Though he was only assistant tech specialist, Dostanti’s calls at Euros did not seem super harsh to me. For example both P/C and G/F got all level 4s in the FD, which has been rare this season. Cizeron actually could have been given level 3 on the one foot steps since his bracket exit edge could be deeper and his back outside to back inside change of edge was very flat. Guignard could have been given a level 3 on the one foot steps as well (though she was originally called at level 2 and raised to level 4) because her bracket exit edge could have been deeper as well. People seem to think the level 2 call for P/C’s step sequence in the RD was harsh, but it wasn’t imo. Cizeron’s exit edges on both the Choctaw and Mohawk were flat and lead to the level 2. Hopefully he will improve this for Worlds.

 

[starrynight]

Uh, b/c H/D made a mistake? Unless Hubbell is saying they've been doing it that (incorrect) way all season and the panel never called them on it. In which case, why were they doing it incorrectly and shouldn't they have known about it by now?

I think Madison might be asking why they were lead to believe the lift was totally fine when they may have been doing it the same way in front of the technical panel during practices.

Asking why they weren’t given the favour of being quietly tapped on the shoulder.

Which is a point because top teams in the past have been given that protection as a courtesy. And given the opportunity to change an element before the competition (although often at the total last minute).

She could be wondering if it was a sort of ambush. Or politically charged that they weren’t forewarned.

That is unless during the 4CC FD the travelling was a lot more than they were doing during practice. But still it’s a legitimate question.

So do you feel that their level 4 twizzles should get GOE 0.....and their skating skills are 8.50? So the other judges were totally out to lunch?

There also used to be hoards of people on the internet who used to sincerely believe that Davis/White shouldn’t even have made the podium at US Nationals. When you hold a grudge you can see what you want to see in ice dance. The opposite is true too. So both ubers and antis need to be taken with a grain of salt. We all have our own biases or otherwise we wouldn’t be ice dance fans lol.

 

[mjb52]

One of the joys of getting older and coming back to watching the sport after getting somewhat disenchanted by it after the late '90s/early 00's is just enjoying watching ice dance and not pretending to know jack about the technical side. I hope my faves are being advised well by their coaches and choreographers on what to do to maximize their points and enjoy reading comments by people on these boards who know more about these issues but as for me personally I don't really care and it doesn't influence who I root for. So long as the teams I like perform to their fullest potential, I'm mostly happy. It's very liberating!

 

[starrynight]

One of the joys of getting older and coming back to watching the sport after getting somewhat disenchanted by it after the late '90s/early 00's is just enjoying watching ice dance and not pretending to know jack about the technical side. I hope my faves are being advised well by their coaches and choreographers on what to do to maximize their points and enjoy reading comments by people on these boards who know more about these issues but as for me personally I don't really care and it doesn't influence who I root for. So long as the teams I like perform to their fullest potential, I'm mostly happy. It's very liberating!

Out of interest, what made you disenchanted back then and what has brought you back?

 

[Enchanted]

Who are the people in this supposedly tough panel at worlds?

 

[mjb52]

Out of interest, what made you disenchanted back then and what has brought you back?

I was going to put that but it felt a little contentious. For me, subjectively, I felt very frustrated by the Canadian/American commentary of that era which sort of felt like "the only way to prove the sport is fair is for us to win" at times, so that the teams I liked, which were generally Russian/French felt sort of like even when they won, they didn't win - if they won, they were attacked so there was no pleasure in it. It almost felt like blackmail to me, like "we must win or we will savage you verbally." Perhaps that will sound extreme to some of you but that was genuinely how it felt to me. Whether that was fair on my part or not, it certainly didn't make the sport very fun to watch.

 

[sharsk8s]

I was going to put that but it felt a little contentious. For me, subjectively, I felt very frustrated by the Canadian/American commentary of that era which sort of felt like "the only way to prove the sport is fair is for us to win" at times, so that the teams I liked, which were generally Russian/French felt sort of like even when they won, they didn't win - if they won, they were attacked so there was no pleasure in it. It almost felt like blackmail to me, like "we must win or we will savage you verbally." Perhaps that will sound extreme to some of you but that was genuinely how it felt to me. Whether that was fair on my part or not, it certainly didn't make the sport very fun to watch.

I sadly feel like the sport can very much still be like this. If its not your favorite who win automatically the winner is undeserving.

 

[Wyliefan]

I think Madison might be asking why they were lead to believe the lift was totally fine when they may have been doing it the same way in front of the technical panel during practices.

Asking why they weren’t given the favour of being quietly tapped on the shoulder.

Which is a point because top teams in the past have been given that protection as a courtesy. And given the opportunity to change an element before the competition (although often at the total last minute).

Part of me sees her point, and sympathizes. But another part of me is wondering, you really need to be told that a stationary lift should be stationary? I like this team a lot, but in this case I think they need to just accept that they made a mistake and focus on fixing it.

 

[sharsk8s]

Part of me sees her point, and sympathizes. But another part of me is wondering, you really need to be told that a stationary lift should be stationary? I like this team a lot, but in this case I think they need to just accept that they made a mistake and focus on fixing it.

Also don't their coaches notice the lift moving halfway across the ice?

 

[thvu]

Also don't their coaches notice the lift moving halfway across the ice?

That's what I was thinking. Patrice had to notice, but was probably hoping for the best.

The GPF and Nats travelling wasn't egregious enough for me to notice in real time. It was probably the same for the panels there, so they didn't bother flagging the element for review. Well, those days are done! I imagine the technical panel at worlds has already mentally flagged their stationary lift for review (as long as they don't change it.)

 

[Rukia]

The whole thing is silly. The amount of travelling he did in competition was clearly more than normal. No one corrected you because you weren't messing it up in practice seems more likely. It sucks for them, but people screw up stuff all the time.

 

[Doggygirl]

I confess I am bothered by the idea that a skater/team would EXPECT to be given tech panel or judge critique based on competition practices. What? I'm not suprised to hear this is done - it's figure skating after all! [/sarcasm] I would hope that if critiques are being done, they are being done equally for all teams. But I'm pretty sure THAT is not happening!

Sometimes it really is better as a no-tek fan not to know this stuff.....

It seems to me like Hub/Don have probably been aware of some risk with this element. Risk does not always net a reward.

 

[Ka3sha]

I confess I am bothered by the idea that a skater/team would EXPECT to be given tech panel or judge critique based on competition practices. What? I'm not suprised to hear this is done - it's figure skating after all!

I obviously don't know for sure, how it works, but Russian skaters (not only ice dancers) sometimes say the same thing in their interviews - that the judges either gave them a feedback/critique after practices, so skaters could change something; either didn't give skaters any negative feedback , but then lowered their levels at competition

 

[Doggygirl]

I obviously don't know for sure, but Russian skaters (not only ice dancers) sometimes say the same thing in their interviews - that the judges either gave them a feedback/critique after practices, so skaters could change something; either didn't give skaters any negative feedback , but then lowered their levels at competition

Do you wonder if some skaters/teams receive preferential treatment as a result of this practice? Or do you think this is done on an equal opportunity basis? I'm just interested in opinions!

 

[manhn]

Is there a sport that involves judges (diving, gymnastics) where the judges do NOT provide feedback outside the competition setting? I would imagine this is common practice everywhere.