The Dance Hall 14: Waltz Tango Foxtrot

[kwanfan1818]

I really hate the bpm requirement, second to having to mix rhythms. While going slower is advantageous in some ways, it means holding the edges longer, having more time for key points scrutiny -- it's especially clearer if the edges are wobbling -- and having to control the glide for a longer amount of time for the same size nodes, for example.

 

[morqet]

No. The ability to do the pattern correctly with clear edges to a specified timing is an important skill to be measured. A golden waltz or american waltz should feel much faster and more sweeping than a gentle, measured willow waltz pattern. One of the important elements that sets ice dance apart from other disciplines is that skaters should be able to express a variety of rhythms correctly, not just slower ones. There are multiple teams that were exposed in the RD era when the theme for the year required them to have fast feet.

 

[kwanfan1818]

If there was a specific timing, there would be an upper limit, as well as a lower limit. There is only a lower limit. The timing between movement and the positions on ice in the pattern are there regardless of what the bpm is.

 

[Rukia]

Hitting the required turns and edges correctly at a quick tempo and timing can be just as difficult as having to hold the edge longer. You don't have the time to set the turn and edge up. Skaters who aren't as strong on their edges can't be as quick to do that oftentimes.

 

[kwanfan1818]

I never argued that they weren't. I'm arguing that slower doesn't necessarily mean easier, but, generally, more visible. Hanretty has mentioned multiple times in commentary how skaters will (paraphrase) speed through some of the turns so that it's hard to see whether they actually made them. Also, part of the criteria is hitting the edge on the beat, and not just Hanretty has thought a turn was clearly done properly in itself, but the panel marks it as 'N' because of the timing.

 

[Impromptu]

There is neither an upper or a lower limit. It is 186 bpm - it's what what the Golden Waltz has always been (they get a grace window of a couple of beats, that's all).

https://www.starlighticedanceclub.com/DancePatterns/Golden%20Waltz.pdf