The Dance Hall 5: Ice Dance Fans 2017-2018

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chapis said:
In Goldenskate M/R fan thread, I mean, people asking about it. Apparently after Euros the standings moved but after 4cc it stay the same, but I did not watch the standings before 4cc to corroborate it.
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They won't be updated until Monday, when the whole event has finished. Also worth noting however that only the highest WS points earner of Euros/4CCs, Olympics or Worlds counts for each team.
 
So happy for Hawayek & Baker. They are such nice people and it must be a thrill for them to win an ISU Championship. It is amazing to think such an incredibly strong team might never qualify for a worlds. The depth in U.S dance is insane, the U.S might not have the best team, but no country comes close to their depth. Not Canada, not France, not Russia, not Italy.
 
The Russian Olympic comittee officially replace Stepanova/Bukin by Zagorski/Guerreiro on the list of athletes competiting at the Games. Bobrova/Soloviev are competiting as planned.
http://olympic.ru/news/news-russia/...ih-olimpijskih-igrah-2018-goda-v-g-phenchhan/
This list has been approved by the IOC (all the 169 athletes on the list), which means that the chance that S/B compete in Korea is pretty much close to none now. And still no explanation.
 
Bukin knows the reason. Ioc released all criteria. Either he failed or missed a test.

One theory is that during his career he took something not knowing it had A banned substance and Russian doping officials were voiding all failed tests so he and no one ever knew but now it’s known.
 
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Completely different topic....
Does anybody know a male ice dancer with the height under 5.57'' who had a successful career (win worlds, europeans etc.)?
 
Anyasnake said:
Speculation on russian articles : he missed a test some years ago. Not failed. Like he missed an appointement, or did not meet at certain location.
The reason could litterally be as dumb as a "paperwork" situation.
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No, you got it wrong.
Svinin was asked if there’s a possibilty that Ivan was not allowed to compete because he probably could have missed an appointment in the past. Svinin answered that NO, as he has never missed one. That happened once with Aleksandra (it theory any athlete can miss 2 or 3 appointments per year with impunity), but it was years ago
 
Ka3sha said:
No, you got it wrong.
Svinin was a wearing on the question about the possibility that he was not allowed to compete because he probably could have missed an appointment in the past. Svinin answered that NO, he didn’t. That happened once with Aleksandra (it theory any athlete can miss 2 or 3 appointments per year with impunity), but it was years ago
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Oh I thought in the translation that it was this reason. I'll correct it ASAP, thank you.
 
But especially for him, because so far I understood he and his coaches don't understand the decision either.
 
allezfred said:
If it is because of a doping connected offence how could he be allowed to compete at Worlds and not Olympics. :confused:
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I'm just thinking because of the nature of the state-sponsored doping where a blanket ban was a real option (not just a theoretical one), the process they adopted to allow OAR athletes to be invited to compete was a much more stringent one than simply being clean enough to compete in the past four years. They had to under take all sorts of tests and meet a big list of requirements, and the results had to past more muster than being deemed clean. Some how Bukin fell short.
 
Any idea why Wang/Liu only performed 8 elements instead of 9? I know Agosto was a little nervous about their ChSp veering into lift territory, but they completely took the element out instead of replacing it with something safer. That's leaving behind 2 points or so before even getting on the ice.
 
firstflight said:
Any idea why Wang/Liu only performed 8 elements instead of 9? I know Agosto was a little nervous about their ChSp veering into lift territory, but they completely took the element out instead of replacing it with something safer. That's leaving behind 2 points or so before even getting on the ice.
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Is that what happened? If a choreographic element comes early and is called something else like a lift, a team would lose the full value of the real version of that element. Losing 2 points would be less costly than losing credit for the real lift. Perhaps W&L had a heads up that they might lose the lift and decided it wasn't worth the risk? You would hope to have a backup plan or to have learned about this type of issue earlier in the season. But--still--much less costly than losing the lift.
 
Dobre said:
Is that what happened? If a choreographic element comes early and is called something else like a lift, a team would lose the full value of the real version of that element. Losing 2 points would be less costly than losing credit for the real lift. Perhaps W&L had a heads up that they might lose the lift and decided it wasn't worth the risk? You would hope to have a backup plan or to have learned about this type of issue earlier in the season. But--still--much less costly than losing the lift.
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This should not be an issue since judges have the layout of the program, so they know exactly where it is and have no doubt about it.
 
Yeah, I would think they would just move it at the end. It may not make choreographic sense, but hey, two points is two points. We've seen some top teams choreograph their choreo elements before their leveled ones and be considered ok. I mean other than unlisted assist lifts (like C/L's exit that cost them first place in the SD at Euros last season) would there be a problem if a choreo lift had multiple revolutions and such?
 
At Skate America, it was after their three "main" lifts but before their ending choreographic lift. I'm just surprised they didn't bother to replace it with another choreographic spin or twizzle. They would have smashed their previous personal best with two more points.
 
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VIETgrlTerifa said:
Yeah, I would think they would just move it at the end. It may not make choreographic sense, but hey, two points is two points. We've seen some top teams choreograph their choreo elements before their leveled ones and be considered ok. I mean other than unlisted assist lifts (like C/L's exit that cost them first place in the SD at Euros last season) would there be a problem if a choreo lift had multiple revolutions and such?
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Right, I don't think the order is the issue. Agosto wasn't talking about the order of where it came in the program at Skate America (as said above, it's been after their three lifts all season long). "She can't stay off the ice otherwise it would be an extra lift and that would be catastrophic."
 
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firstflight said:
At Skate America, it was after their two "main" lifts but before their ending choreographed lift. I'm just surprised they didn't bother to replace it with another choreographed spin or twizzle. They would have smashed their previous personal best with two more points.
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That would have been easy. Just spin a bit either in place or travel. Choreo twizzles don't even have to be in unison or even done at the same time.
 
Anyasnake said:
This should not be an issue since judges have the layout of the program, so they know exactly where it is and have no doubt about it.
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It's not an issue for Wang & Liu if their choreographic element was planned for later. Unless the rules have changed since last season, an earlier "lift" would be called the lift and the second element would receive no credit. It cost Cannuscio & McManus a boatload of points at U.S. Nationals last season. It is possible we've had an update in the rules regarding this dilemma since last year. It was part of the mess at last year's Europeans.

VIETgrlTerifa said:
Yeah, I would think they would just move it at the end.
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They already have a choreographic lift. They wouldn't get the two points unless they introduced a new element. Probably just did not have a backup plan that they felt confident about performing.
 
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caseyedwards said:
Bukin knows the reason. Ioc released all criteria. Either he failed or missed a test.

One theory is that during his career he took something not knowing it had A banned substance and Russian doping officials were voiding all failed tests so he and no one ever knew but now it’s known.
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He competed at the Universiade -don't know correct spelling before Sochi which was supposed to be the test event for the sponsored doping program. What was he? 16? Anyways he could have been given a substance without his knowledge although coach must have known which is his father...so that is really sick if that is what happened. If so of course Bukin did not know and his father/coach would deny it. That would totally be awful...ruining your son's love and passion of a sport that he worked to hard to excel, nevermind the harm to his body.
 
Dobre said:
They already have a choreographic lift. They wouldn't get the two points unless they introduced a new element. Probably just did not have a backup plan that they felt confident about performing.
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That sounds like the case. Not to make it sound like what these ice dancers do is easy because I know it's incredibly difficult, but I would have found a moment to just spin with my hands on my head as if I had a headache and call it choreography.
 
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