The Dance Hall 14: Waltz Tango Foxtrot

[kwanfan1818]

I really hate the bpm requirement, second to having to mix rhythms. While going slower is advantageous in some ways, it means holding the edges longer, having more time for key points scrutiny -- it's especially clearer if the edges are wobbling -- and having to control the glide for a longer amount of time for the same size nodes, for example.

 

[morqet]

No. The ability to do the pattern correctly with clear edges to a specified timing is an important skill to be measured. A golden waltz or american waltz should feel much faster and more sweeping than a gentle, measured willow waltz pattern. One of the important elements that sets ice dance apart from other disciplines is that skaters should be able to express a variety of rhythms correctly, not just slower ones. There are multiple teams that were exposed in the RD era when the theme for the year required them to have fast feet.

 

[kwanfan1818]

If there was a specific timing, there would be an upper limit, as well as a lower limit. There is only a lower limit. The timing between movement and the positions on ice in the pattern are there regardless of what the bpm is.

 

[Rukia]

Hitting the required turns and edges correctly at a quick tempo and timing can be just as difficult as having to hold the edge longer. You don't have the time to set the turn and edge up. Skaters who aren't as strong on their edges can't be as quick to do that oftentimes.

 

[kwanfan1818]

I never argued that they weren't. I'm arguing that slower doesn't necessarily mean easier, but, generally, more visible. Hanretty has mentioned multiple times in commentary how skaters will (paraphrase) speed through some of the turns so that it's hard to see whether they actually made them. Also, part of the criteria is hitting the edge on the beat, and not just Hanretty has thought a turn was clearly done properly in itself, but the panel marks it as 'N' because of the timing.

 

[Impromptu]

There is neither an upper or a lower limit. It is 186 bpm - it's what what the Golden Waltz has always been (they get a grace window of a couple of beats, that's all).

https://www.starlighticedanceclub.com/DancePatterns/Golden%20Waltz.pdf

 

[DORISPULASKI]

Skating to a beat is what makes ice dancing, dancing rather than just gliding around.

I like the faster rhythms, and the teams who can excel at them.

 

[kwanfan1818]

I’m not sure what skating to a different beat makes it not skating to a beat, but, okay.

 

[skategal]

“Iris” by the Googoo Dolls is also a rock ballad waltz.

No idea what the BPM is but it’s not particularly slow.

Love that song.

 

[Belsornia]

I’ve seen Iris used by novice teams for the Westminster Waltz pattern dance, so I think the BPM is too low for the Golden Waltz but it could be used by juniors.

 

[Kateri]

What BPM is Masquerade Waltz?

 

[coralline]

What BPM is Masquerade Waltz?

Here says 181

BPM and key for Masquerade Suite: I. Waltz by Aram Khachaturian | Tempo for Masquerade Suite: I. Waltz

The song Masquerade Suite: I. Waltz by Aram Khachaturian has a tempo (BPM) and key of ...

songbpm.com

 

[Dobre]

I feel our odds of getting out of Masquerade Waltz would require a tremendous effort by the "bpm-committee." Somehow some coaches would probably find a way to speed up or slow down that music to fit any waltz pattern. Priorities and all that.

 

[my little pony]

masquerade waltz, the dubstep remix?

 

[Jay42]

“Iris” by the Googoo Dolls is also a rock ballad waltz.

No idea what the BPM is but it’s not particularly slow.

Love that song.

Ok I would donate to the GoFundMe of any team that skates to Iris and send any video I can find of the program to as many of my friends as possible.

I know a lot of people who love that song.

It may not be the right BPM but just on principle any time someone chooses to skate to it.

 

[Bunny Hop]

I like Masquerade Waltz. It could be sped up a bit to meet the BPM without making it sound too fast.

Unfortunately the Outlander theme (Skye Boat Song - original version before they ruined it) is way too slow. I really want some team to skate to that one day.

 

[jlai]

I like Masquerade Waltz. It could be sped up a bit to meet the BPM without making it sound too fast.

Me too. And you haven't heard it used for some time esp for a warhorse

 

[Evilynn]

“Iris” by the Googoo Dolls is also a rock ballad waltz.

No idea what the BPM is but it’s not particularly slow.

156 BPM, so hard to speed up enough.

Out of curiosity, if a Viennese Waltz is 180-ish BPM, why is the Golden Waltz exactly 186? Was the song Klimova & Ponomarenko used 186 BPM?

 

[Former Lurve Goddess]

156 BPM, so hard to speed up enough.

Out of curiosity, if a Viennese Waltz is 180-ish BPM, why is the Golden Waltz exactly 186? Was the song Klimova & Ponomarenko used 186 BPM?

I might be remembering this incorrectly but I seem to recall that K&P used a slower BPM for their 1987 OSP, but the ISU changed the BPM when they turned it into the Golden Waltz CD.