The Dance Hall 13: When You Dance on the Ice and Your Feet Twizzle Twice, That's Amore

lauravvv said:
What's so wild about that :confused::rolleyes:? Euros are practically a given for them, and GPF is also very likely. To pretend otherwise would be very strange and also hypocritical. I am pretty sure you wouldn't react in such a way if those were any other skaters of their level.
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I mean, we all saw the FFSG press release. We all know they’re going to Euros. And something would have to go spectacularly wrong for a team including Cizeron not to do better than Dupayage/Nabais and Lagouge/Caffa. But there’s knowing they’re going to Euros, and then there’s posting it on social media accompanied by a weird underwear photoshoot before they’ve even competed once.

But yeah, Guillaume Cizeron has an ego on him. Breaking news.
 
lauravvv said:
What's so wild about that :confused::rolleyes:? Euros are practically a given for them, and GPF is also very likely. To pretend otherwise would be very strange and also hypocritical. I am pretty sure you wouldn't react in such a way if those were any other skaters of their level.


See above my response to @skateblessing. What exactly is so terrible about this?
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Even if it`s likely that they will get the spot, they still have to offically be selected and get the minimums for Euros. To post it as part of your schedule in August is really cringe. Particular when you have never competed before. Not to mention it`s bad sportsmanship to the other French teams to say you are entitled a spot before you even have been scored by a international panel. Assuming is one thing, but claiming you are going without even formally have fullfilled the requirements is really something. Even teams from countries with no competition are careful about saying for sure they are going before selections is done.
 
Belsornia said:
I mean, we all saw the FFSG press release. We all know they’re going to Euros. And something would have to go spectacularly wrong for a team including Cizeron not to do better than Dupayage/Nabais and Lagouge/Caffa. But there’s knowing they’re going to Euros, and then there’s posting it on social media accompanied by a weird underwear photoshoot before they’ve even competed once.

But yeah, Guillaume Cizeron has an ego on him. Breaking news.
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Please, even FB/S would be going to the Euros and even to the GPF if they had continued to improve. Given the school, their work ethic, and talent, the question isn't whether they'll reach, but by how much of a margin. Guillame is just being realistic, the only things that can take them out are illness, grave error or injury. Let's just see how much they've improved since their first outing. To be honest, I always thought Sorenson was a bad match for Lolo. I do hope they can make the best of this partnership.
 
Looking at that list, I’m again wondering what happened with Tkachenko/Killiakov. Maybe their Fed said if Ich/Nov score decently at Lake Placid, they’re going because they don’t have citizenship issues?

I know we are probably not going to know, just :wall:
 
Italy better hope Tali/LaFornara are ready based on the Manni/Rothlisberger's results in Dordrecht this weekend. Or a more favorable judging panel (but there was pretty much agreement in PCS in favor of Vaz/Kasimov even by judges who aren't usually popping out in Bosphorus or Ephesus Cup panels)
 
I hope Tali/Lafornara can compete at an international competition before Beijing (if they are chosen by the Italian Fed). I suppose Lombardia could be a good option.

I was a bit surprised to not see them skate at Lake Placid, but they have been doing some shows, so hopefully this means their preparation is going well.
 
ostile17 said:
Why?
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Because they said they were going to do Lake Placid, both Italian teams were signed up for Lake Placid, and then T&L dropped out. Not something you usually do if you are a junior team trying to earn senior minimums, much less if you are a (previously) junior team trying to prove you deserve to go to an Olympic qualifier and earn a spot at the Olympic games. (Then M&R dropped out of the event--I assume because why fly across the ocean if the head-to-head isn't happening). Also T&L didn't compete in Canada or in Dallas, so it doesn't seem likely they were just looking to go somewhere "on their own" first.

Anyway, it's early days and I know someone posted that there was something scheduled in Italy that would probably now be the head-to-head. I'm just wondering when the date is.
 
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Dobre said:
Because they said they were going to do Lake Placid, both Italian teams were signed up for Lake Placid, and then T&L dropped out. Not something you usually do if you are a junior team trying to earn senior minimums, much less if you are a (previously) junior team trying to prove you deserve to go to an Olympic qualifier and earn a spot at the Olympic games.
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Well, we know Noah was sick the week before that, so presumably he wasn't ready then. But he ought to be better by now unless it was a really horrible illness.
 
Hopefully yes, and they can do this event.

They aren't signed up for the Bolero Cup, and Lombardia is only the week before the qualifier. I guess the Italian teams might all go to Lombardia anyway?
 
Andrea82 said:
Italy better hope Tali/LaFornara are ready based on the Manni/Rothlisberger's results in Dordrecht this weekend. Or a more favorable judging panel (but there was pretty much agreement in PCS in favor of Vaz/Kasimov even by judges who aren't usually popping out in Bosphorus or Ephesus Cup panels)
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Hard to know what to make of the scores at Dordrecht this weekend. Stanley/Urano are the only team that competed at both. They did better in the RD at LPIDI than this weekend, but it looks like they cleaned up a lot of their early season messiness in the FD, as their Dordrecht FD score was 11 points higher than at Lake Placid.

I do think it is very concerning for Manni/Roethlisberger to score as low as they did here, same with Soucisse/Firus, whose scores only continue to fall.

Meanwhile, over in Ontario, Yoshida/Morita made their season debut at the August Sectional Series and earned a pretty underwhelming score there - 163.07 - which isn't going to get the job done in Beijing next month, IMO.
 
I'm just going to say kudos to all the teams who are getting out there and competing and debuting their programs before the qualifier. Scores can rise quite dramatically after a debut. It's not about the scores for me at this stage. It's about the potential of the material and--for these qualifying competitors--are you getting a runthrough or two under your belt so you'll be ready for the pressure of that qualifying event.

(I'm quite sad that we won't get to see T/K there).
 
Karen-W said:
Hard to know what to make of the scores at Dordrecht this weekend. Stanley/Urano are the only team that competed at both. They did better in the RD at LPIDI than this weekend, but it looks like they cleaned up a lot of their early season messiness in the FD, as their Dordrecht FD score was 11 points higher than at Lake Placid.

I do think it is very concerning for Manni/Roethlisberger to score as low as they did here, same with Soucisse/Firus, whose scores only continue to fall.

Meanwhile, over in Ontario, Yoshida/Morita made their season debut at the August Sectional Series and earned a pretty underwhelming score there - 163.07 - which isn't going to get the job done in Beijing next month, IMO.
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Soucisse/Firus was normal points in rythme dance, but in free dance they was problem with choreographic jumps who they 100% will fix until next competitions. Judges was very strict in levels of step sequences.
 
Ice_dance_fan said:
Soucisse/Firus was normal points in rythme dance, but in free dance they was problem with choreographic jumps who they 100% will fix until next competitions. Judges was very strict in levels of step sequences.
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From all the teams on the bubble, IMO S/F is the one that is most likely to not qualify a spot in Beijing. As Karen-W points out, they keep dropping or stagnate. Even at Euros they fell behind a fresh team like the Swedes that doesn`t have the reputation yet. R/M going into their 3rd season, they are likely to keep improving. But I think they probably will not be at their best in Beijing since it`s their first competition.
And then we have I/S and now V/K showing their in great shape this early. M/R results from this competition is worrying, thats a bad score for a international B comp considering they scored 169 at Euros. L/F would be the safest option. Also Y/M scoring 163 is very underwhelming.

But who knows, I think judges will have a lot to say in Beijing. But I don`t think it`s going to do S/F any favors. But I do think the scores will be very tight.

Anyways the deadline for entries was on Friday, so I`m hoping for the entries will be out maybe even tomorrow
 
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jmtfti said:
I'm still waiting for insight on if Carolane is even being considered for Irish citizenship on an Olympic timetable, tbh.
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Unless she's discovered a sekret Irish grandparent within the last year it's a no go. The only other path to citizenship would be through residency on the island of Ireland (no exceptional pathways for athletes a la Spain).
 
Dobre said:
Because they said they were going to do Lake Placid, both Italian teams were signed up for Lake Placid, and then T&L dropped out. Not something you usually do if you are a junior team trying to earn senior minimums, much less if you are a (previously) junior team trying to prove you deserve to go to an Olympic qualifier and earn a spot at the Olympic games. (Then M&R dropped out of the event--I assume because why fly across the ocean if the head-to-head isn't happening).
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To make it more intriguing, M/R did a summer stint at MIDA in late June and July. Based on their social media postings, they went back to Italy in the first days of August.
 
skateblessing said:
That applies to a lot of teams at the qualifier too.

V/K?
H/C?
R/M?

Probably forgot someone
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Kazimov is like Dieck - he'll get his Spanish passport if they earn the spot in Beijing, especially seeing as he's living & training in Madrid most of the year.

No idea about Chan or Reitan. Milla may have Swedish family or may already qualify if she has lived in Sweden for at least two consecutive years.
 
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