Sport24: Aleksandra Trusova leaving Tutberidze for Plushenko

[Jammers]

Why would you leave arguably the most successful coach in the world for someone who isn't even serious about being a coach and is still doing shows?

 

[MacMadame]

Why would you leave arguably the most successful coach in the world for someone who isn't even serious about being a coach and is still doing shows?

Because the actual coach you work with the most is going to that rink.

 

[greenapple]

Doesn't Valieva work mostly with Rosanov? Kostornaia too? No wonder Eteri rushed back to Moscow. She's trying to prevent a mass exodus.

Don't know about Valieva, but according to Kostornaia, Rozanov was the one who encouraged her to try the triple Axel again.

Kostornaia had learned the triple Axel in 2017 and was eager to include it in her programs at that time, but a growth spurt caused her to lose the jump. “It took a long time to get the triple Axel and I did the element clean. It was upsetting because I learned it and then lost it and couldn’t get it back,” she explained, adding that the fear of getting injured also played a part. “When I returned to training, Sergei Rozanov (one of the coaches who works with Eteri Tutberidze) said, ‘let’s try the Axel again.’”

 

[lala]

I do not see him bragging much but his wife is completely insufferable. I am surprised that she doesn't leave the price tags hanging on everything in her house.

Yes, I know. She is soooo annoying, and uses many photoshop on her face. I have seen her live she is not that shining beaty as on the pics. But this video was cute and so simple I don't think they had any other "secret"goal with it. We have seen many times the graden and they didn't show the most beautiful part of it. Compared to this part our garden is more beautiful. I'm Russiaphil in arts, ballet, music, figure skating,etc but when I read the Russians on forums and anywhere I'm........ Mazochistic experience as I said..

Or maybe this was the secret message https://www.instagram.com/p/B_5NinknuQ7/

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

So Im on my news app this morning and one of the articles from RT.com is Trusova leaves her camp, and I almost spit out my coffee. I havent been spending that much time on FSU lately. I came here to see where this is being discussed.

Good for her - Im all in for mixing things up, and often. Thats just how I roll. (Although she never seemed unhappy to me in any K&C). But isnt her issue the PCS??? She already is supreme with technicality. She already had over 100 tech points in a free skate.

If I was a skater I wouldnt want to be in a "camp" that had 300 top skaters either... even if that camp was led by the Legendary, world-class, elite, sophisticated, trailblazer, Skate America Champion Angela Nikodinov.

Surprised Zag hasnt searched elsewhere.

Seems like from the article Tat is Team Eteri.

Also seems like it getting nasty (just how ANL rolls, too.) Eteri accusing Evgeni of luring her in.... Eteri seems to be going off on The Trusova even more than she did on Med. Im gonna roll on down to Trader Joes and get some popcorn.

 

[mjb52]

I think the lesson from this might be that the drive and desire it takes to become a truly top skater may not be compatible with whatever the Eteri team was trying to do (and I really think there was a conscious effort) to avoid another Zagitova/Medvedeva situation. It's just not necessarily possible to have that many top talents in one place, not for logistical reasons but psychological ones. I will miss the 3As as the 3As even though I know they didn't like that nickname - I really enjoyed them as individuals and as a group - but this was pretty inevitable most likely. And I think it's better for Russian skating to have multiple power centers. I would honestly love to see something like this with Gadbois, not because I have anything against Gadbois but because I don't think it's good for ice dancing to have so many teams from so many different countries all being coached by one group with one set of ideas/approach.

 

[rfisher]

All three of them still plan to compete so the 3As are still very likely to be the Russian team to Euro/Worlds this upcoming season. Now, there could be 2As and a K for the Olympics, but there are a few other letters still vying for a spot.

 

[NAOTMAA]

Aleksanda is free to choose as her coach whoever she wants. She isn't required to stay with the same one. Everyone may feel they need a fresh perspective now and then.

I only question this because her problems are PCS not jumps. That's the number one reason she's fallen behind Alena and Alena and not her jumps. Her jumps only started failing her because she was attempting/practicing too much/many and worse of all trying to force them. When you try to force things instead of letting them come naturally you will fail. Now if she went to someone who's coaching was more component oriented I wouldn't have blinked an eye (somewhat similar to M/G in pairs). But she's going to people who's specialty are jumps. It just makes me think she doesn't understand why she isn't winning and is going at it all wrong. Maybe it will all fall into place but the moment I have a hard time seeing that. But if she's happy so be it

 

[alchemy void]

Trusova's 4toe is spectacular. Good technique with loads of height and distance. I think there's a decent chance she could retain the jump after significant growth. Best ladies quad out there right now, hands down. Her 4flip and 4lutz, not so much.

I'd like to see her new coaching team focusing on the quality of her jumps (most of her triples aren't as pretty as that quad toe) instead of chasing four or five different quads per program. And, of course, the basics need lots work. I'm not necessarily talking about carriage and posture, necessarily, but speed and power. She really should be a power skater, but that's not the case right now.

She's obviously extremely driven, and I hope this coaching change works well for her. Team Eteri clearly did her no favors last season, both with the programs, packaging, and strategy. The potential is there for her to make a mark on the sport, and I hope it happens for her.

 

[MacMadame]

She's obviously extremely driven, and I hope this coaching change works well for her. Team Eteri clearly did her no favors last season, both with the programs, packaging, and strategy. The potential is there for her to make a mark on the sport, and I hope it happens for her.

I see this new coaching system as being much more compatible with her approach and goals.

 

[Polaris]

She's obviously extremely driven, and I hope this coaching change works well for her. Team Eteri clearly did her no favors last season, both with the programs, packaging, and strategy. The potential is there for her to make a mark on the sport, and I hope it happens for her.

I think Eteri's packaging, programs, and strategy were all on the right road. Except Trusova kept effing around with the strategy.

 

[NAOTMAA]

I think Eteri's packaging, programs, and strategy were all on the right road. Except Trusova kept effing around with the strategy.

And the end result was Euros where they tried to appease her by throwing in the kitchen sink. Of course it failed because desperate kitchen sink throwing never does.

I suppose in hindsight the split was inevitable. Not because Eteri has too many top skaters and Aleksanda is clearly only #3 but because they simply have a different vision of what her skating should be.

 

[Wyliefan]

I always thought GoT seemed like a good fit for her (based on what little I know about GoT!). Maybe it could have been better choreographed, or more could have been done with the program generally, but the idea was good.

 

[Ananas Astra]

I always thought GoT seemed like a good fit for her (based on what little I know about GoT!). Maybe it could have been better choreographed, or more could have been done with the program generally, but the idea was good.

I agree...she could've pulled off a wonderful Daenerys program...had the music chosen actually been one of the several Daenerys-themes...what they did with her program would be comparable to someone skating to the Nutcracker pas de deux in a costume rather suited for the Chinese Dance.

 

[NAOTMAA]

I don't think GoT was some masterpiece but it did cater to, and highlight, her strengths which was her athleticism. That's why I laugh at all this mismanagement talk. They did everything they could to show her off at her best.
The initial reaction was very positive.

And early in the season she did try to interpret the music. It could have grown and become more as the season went on but after the GPF she abandoned all attempts at interpreting music so she could concentrate on quads and the 3A. The program never got a chance because no one is perfect in the first half of the season and in the second she went all jump crazy.

 

[alchemy void]

I always thought GoT seemed like a good fit for her (based on what little I know about GoT!). Maybe it could have been better choreographed, or more could have been done with the program generally, but the idea was good.

Good idea on paper, poor execution.

Wouldn't it be the coaching team's responsibility to explain to Trusova why choreography is important? And doing 4 quads per program wasn't necessary and not likely to achieve the desired result?

 

[NAOTMAA]

She was not doing badly at the beginning of the season at all. She was solid at the test skate and great at the Japan Open so clearly she was capable. For half the season she was building nicely even if she wasn't perfection. It only fell apart after the GPF and chances are there were many heated debates in practice on what to do. Aleksanda wants to go for all the quad jumps and a 3A. Eteri and co probably aren't so thrilled about that, told her, and that's why she's no longer with them. They don't agree with strategy and parted ways which happens and is perfectly normal

 

[Polaris]

Wouldn't it be the coaching team's responsibility to explain to Trusova why choreography is important? And doing 4 quads per program wasn't necessary and not likely to achieve the desired result?

Yeah they tried but then Trusova and her parents got mad and then went shopping for new coaches.

 

[MacMadame]

And doing 4 quads per program wasn't necessary and not likely to achieve the desired result?

It is if the desired result is to set the record for the first Ladies skater to do 4 quads and 3A in the same program.

 

[AxelAnnie]

Good idea on paper, poor execution.

Wouldn't it be the coaching team's responsibility to explain to Trusova why choreography is important? And doing 4 quads per program wasn't necessary and not likely to achieve the desired result?

You are assuming they didn't. How many skaters have we seen who are jumping beans without even a nod to the music?

I hope she can find a way to become a well rounded skater.

 

[Bigbird]

Trusova, IMHO, was presented brilliantly by Eteri and camp. It's just that she wasn't being patient with herself. Kostornaia and S.bakova are just very talented, intelligent and worthy competitors. She was encouraged by her former team to improve her artistry but it takes time and she was overcompensating by upping the jump content and as a result the errors came. Her record is nothing to be sneezed at. Plushenko will not be able to speed up the process for her. I hope she's able to cope better than Medvedeva did with Orser.

 

[starrynight]

It's just not necessarily possible to have that many top talents in one place, not for logistical reasons but psychological ones.

Yes. Zagitova was a success story for that team because I think she was quite happy to collect her Olympic gold and peace out. But for a skater with serious long term ambition it's a tricky place to be.

Trusova, IMHO, was presented brilliantly by Eteri and camp.

Yes. I think that the costumes in particular are brilliant. That costume designer Olga Ryabenko is a genius. No tacky cheap costumes in sight. When you look at Ryabenko's work, it's hard to believe that Sotnikova won the Olympics in such a basic costume.

 

[Skibean]

Trusova, IMHO, was presented brilliantly by Eteri and camp. It's just that she wasn't being patient with herself. Kostornaia and S.bakova are just very talented, intelligent and worthy competitors. She was encouraged by her former team to improve her artistry but it takes time and she was overcompensating by upping the jump content and as a result the errors came. Her record is nothing to be sneezed at. Plushenko will not be able to speed up the process for her. I hope she's able to cope better than Medvedeva did with Orser.


[/QUOTI think she’ll be fine with a new coach. No need for the Medvedeva comparison, considering Medvedeva had competed seniors many years and was very injured. Unless you know something about Trusova that we don’t?

 

[starrynight]

Maybe reduced competition will help her get through puberty without being driven to anxiety about being overtaken by Valieva etc on a daily basis.

 

[NAOTMAA]

It is if the desired result is to set the record for the first Ladies skater to do 4 quads and 3A in the same program.

That does sound very much like a personal goal and ambition of hers. Eteri has so many other top ladies yet only one is so jump crazy. All the others specialize in certain quads or a 3A but not all of it as Aleksandra wishes to attempt and that says something.

I'm sure Eteri herself thought it would be a great accomplishment too but she's also pragmatic. Like I said, in the first half of the season she looked like she was handling it fine but after losing to Alena and Anna at the GPF it looks like Aleksandra panicked and started wanting to add more jumps, to overcome the PCS deficit, and that was something Eteri wasn't having. Yes they tried to appease her at Euros (and I think they were wrong) but I'm sure they thought after that failed Aleksandra would drop it but she clearly hasn't as this coaching move shows.

 

[Ananas Astra]

I can see why Trusova made this move and maybe this will actually make Plushenko invest more time in coaching than in his wife's stupid show. I hope that now he is as hungry as he was in his competitive days for wins with Trusova as his student and that he finally might show his competencies as a coach.
Let's just see how this is going to turn out.

I adored Plushenko as an athlete back in the days, and now I respect Tutberidze as a coach for all her results and I am very much looking forward to seeing them fight it out as coaches. It might be a fight as legendary as coaches as the athlete rivalry was when Plush was competing with Yags.

I am intrigued and want to see it happen. May the best one win.

 

[Tinami Amori]

I think Eteri's packaging, programs, and strategy were all on the right road. Except Trusova kept effing around with the strategy.

I think it is not fair to say that Trusova was "effing" with Eteri's strategy. She is only 15 and it's rude word to use in context with a girl who sincerely loves what she does. She and her father just have their own different strategy. Both sides mean well...

Trusova sincerely loves to jump and thinks it is her ticket to gold and her approach makes her unique among others, two parallel motivations. After all she did say "if others will start doing quads, she'll do quintuplets...

Her father wants her to be "unstoppable" and goes against Eteri's cautions and strategy by offering Sasha a new dog for learning the next dangerous jump. He and mother openly carroting a "new dog" in front of Sasha's face + Sasha's love of jumping and winning = losing position for Eteri & TeamTut, and it leads to screaming matches between two sides.

But nobody called Nathan's and Parents' choice of jumps in SP at Olys "effing" in spite of Rafik's great dissatisfaction and being right...and in spite of Nathan loosing oly medal, possibly gold.

Trusova had a tough year, she grew quite tall this year, went and going still through puberty, got overbearing media attention not just positive but a lot of undeserved negativity; quads got her several wins at GP and Japan Open events; quads got her into world records book, front page magazine covers, sponsors, and more.

Eteri and Team is not stopping her quads and 3A, she just wants her to last in one piece to Olympics, but Sasha is 15, she thinks "the more quads and 3A the more gold and fame". On top of this all..... Sasha has been stuck in the house and yard with no real outlet for skating..... Poor girl, many others would go nuts and start acting out also.....

Sasha, Parents, Eteri - they ALL had/have good motives for Sasha's future, it's just that they see different strategies to get a positive outcome. Sasha is not "effing with Eteri's methods", she is just young and eager and crawling out of her skin being stuck without skating!

 

[Vagabond]

ISU Season Best Scores Statistics 2019/2020 Total Ladies

1	Alena KOSTORNAIA	RUS	ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating Final 2019/20	07/12/2019	247.59	S
2	Alexandra TRUSOVA	RUS	ISU GP Skate Canada International 2019	26/10/2019	241.02	S
3	Anna SHCHERBAKOVA	RUS	ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating Final 2019/20	07/12/2019	240.92	S
5	Kamila VALIEVA	RUS	ISU World Junior Championships 2020	07/03/2020	227.30	J
10	Alina ZAGITOVA	RUS	ISU GP NHK Trophy 2019	23/11/2019	217.99	S

Tutberidze coached them all this season. It's entirely understandable that one of them decided to make a switch.

 

[Wyliefan]

I think it is not fair to say that Trusova was "effing" with Eteri's strategy. She is only 15 and it's rude word to use in context with a girl who sincerely loves what she does. She and her father just have their own different strategy. Both sides mean well...

Trusova sincerely loves to jump and thinks it is her ticket to gold and her approach makes her unique among others, two parallel motivations. After all she did say "if others will start doing quads, she'll do quintuplets...

Her father wants her to be "unstoppable" and goes against Eteri's cautions and strategy by offering Sasha a new dog for learning the next dangerous jump. He and mother openly carroting a "new dog" in front of Sasha's face + Sasha's love of jumping and winning = losing position for Eteri & TeamTut, and it leads to screaming matches between two sides.

But nobody called Nathan's and Parents' choice of jumps in SP at Olys "effing" in spite of Rafik's great dissatisfaction and being right...and in spite of Nathan loosing oly medal, possibly gold.

Actually, I'm pretty sure we did. As I recall, there was near consensus around here, after the whole story came out, that his mom shouldn't have interfered and Nathan shouldn't have listened to her. Not having a photographic memory, I can't recall whether that exact word was used, but if it wasn't, plenty of synonyms were.

 

[VGThuy]

There was a huge wave of criticism directed at Nathan for not listening to Raf at the Olympics. Between this and people saying nobody criticized him when he made his National Senior debut with all those quads, people have very selective memory when it comes to Nathan. It’s like they don’t remember all the belly-aching about him from 2016-2018. There was constant criticism about him.