Shooting in Las Vegas

[PRlady]

I don't think anyone assumed that all country music lovers are white. (I'm a Jewish country-music lover and it sure wasn't part of my culture growing up.)

But most are. And it's a politically conservative group by and large. Which is why no one will join Roseanne Cash in standing up the the NRA and for gun control.

 

[Jenny]

One of the artists who performed that night has publicly and emphatically changed his stance on gun control.

 

[WildRose]

Some of you may have heard there was a terrorist attack in Edmonton on the weekend. A lone wolf with an ISIS flag, armed with a knife. He hit a policeman with his car, then stabbed him, and then ran down 4 pedestrians with a rented UHaul truck. 3 of the victims are out of the hospital already and the other 2 are expected to recover. No one was killed, including the terrorist, who was chased down and arrested without a shot being fired. Meanwhile, in Vegas, at least 3 Albertans have died. Shot to death by one man with an automatic rifle, like fish in a barrel, along with 59 other people and hundreds and hundreds of wounded. Thousands of people, including my niece, are physically safe but traumatized. Don’t tell me gun control doesn’t work.

 

[overedge]

I wonder if those folks who saw the Newtown massacre of little children as faked and staged feel the same way about this one?

I'm sure we will hear from them soon. Unfortunately.

Has anyone blamed Obama yet?

 

[AxelAnnie]

This is absolute nonsense, gun laws work everywhere else, they can work in the US too.

Have you looked at the Swiss gun laws? Switzerland has a gun culture. Everyone has one. Everyone can buy one. There are firing ranges everywhere. And the laws allow it.:

The Weapons Law recognises a qualified "right to acquire, possess and carry arms"

And yet nothing ever happens in Switzerland. All those guns and no violence. There is something about the culture in America that makes this attractive / ok / acceptable.

 

[PRlady]

Well, yes, or at least "Bernie Sanders voters." Read this: https://twitter.com/brianpabyrne/status/915262136850534400

 

[ballettmaus]

3. A person's right to have a gun is no different than a woman's right to choose. Both issues are polarizing. If people on the right have to accept that a woman is free to abort a child for any reason, and at any time, then a person on the left needs to accept that a person has a right to own a gun.

People on the right don't have to accept that a woman is free to abort a child for any reason. What they have to accept is that they have no right to control any person's body or the personal choices that she makes. It's as simple as that. Or would you be okay if someone knocked on the door tomorrow and told you that you had to get tattoos all over your body? Because ultimately, that would be the same. Someone else would be controlling your body and your choices.

A gun is a mere possession.

 

[Winnipeg]

I recall that after the French night club shooting, Trump said something like if only the other club attendees had guns, it would have been better because then they could have defended themselves..........I think that would be horrible - how could you then tell who was who and if so, wouldn't you have an increased risk of getting shot in the cross fire. Seemed like an odd thing for him to have said at the time.

Also, I read that the facility was gated so people had few exits to run and hide....must have been horrifying.

 

[Vash01]

Well, yes, or at least "Bernie Sanders voters." Read this: https://twitter.com/brianpabyrne/status/915262136850534400

These people are sick. They should be barred from social media.

 

[AxelAnnie]

People on the right don't have to accept that a woman is free to abort a child for any reason. What they have to accept is that they have no right to control any person's body or the personal choices that she makes. It's as simple as that. Or would you be okay if someone knocked on the door tomorrow and told you that you had to get tattoos all over your body? Because ultimately, that would be the same. Someone else would be controlling your body and your choices.

A gun is a mere possession.

Just as the state has said that I have no control over a woman's body other than my own, the state has said that people can own guns.
You have a right to do what you want with your body and I have a right to own a gun. They are the same. You simply trivialize my right over yours.

 

[Vash01]

I recall that after the French night club shooting, Trump said something like if only the other club attendees had guns, it would have been better because then they could have defended themselves..........I think that would be horrible - how could you then tell who was who and if so, wouldn't you have an increased risk of getting shot in the cross fire. Seemed like an odd thing for him to have said at the time.

Also, I read that the facility was gated so people had few exits to run and hide....must have been horrifying.

Trump is nuts. He said at one time that more countries should get nuclear weapons.

Everyone carrying a gun is the 'dream' the NRA is pursuing.

 

[TOADS]

Trump is nuts. He said at one time that more countries should get nuclear weapons.

Everyone carrying a gun is the 'dream' the NRA is pursuing.

I wont be. My weapon of choice is a crossbow. Only one shot at a time and the damn thing looks intimidating even when not loaded.

 

[misskarne]

3. A person's right to have a gun is no different than a woman's right to choose. Both issues are polarizing. If people on the right have to accept that a woman is free to abort a child for any reason, and at any time, then a person on the left needs to accept that a person has a right to own a gun.

Wow. I mean, before this point I had completely accepted what kind of person you are, but this sort of idiotic argument really takes the cake. Yeah, let's equate someone's personal healthcare choices - that affect no-one but themselves - with assholes being able to buy guns that can mow down 60 people in a matter of minutes. Yep, those two issues are totally identical. Completely the same. wow. I'm totally in awe of your logic.

4. Gun laws will not stop this kind of violence. It is easy to think that it would. Law abiding citizens will follow the laws, be safe with their guns, etc. Maniacs and bad guys will still get guns (you cannot make them disappear) and shoot people with them, if they are of a mind to.

So when was Australia's last mass shooting then? Or you just gonna dance away from that topic and ignore the answer you don't want to hear?

 

[overedge]

Just as the state has said that I have no control over a woman's body other than my own, the state has said that people can own guns.
You have a right to do what you want with your body and I have a right to own a gun. They are the same. You simply trivialize my right over yours.

Your right to own a gun is not more important than my right to live without having to worry about being randomly shot on the street.

And in the past you've whined about things like the state allegedly allowing transsexuals to invade public bathrooms designated for women, so those perverts can wave their boy parts around and molest defenseless children. I don't think you're exactly an expert on what legislation does or should do.

 

[oleada]

@AxelAnnie , gun advocates often use Switzerland as an example, but Switzerland has more stringent regulations, licensing requirements and militiamen can lose their rights if weapons are stored improperly. They made their laws stricter after incident where militiamen killed them selves or other with their issues guns! It's no coincidence that they have the second highest rate of gun violence after the US in the developed world, because more guns = more violence.

https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/www....72/gun-control-us-japan-switzerland-uk-canada

Chicago is an excellent example for the need of federal gun control laws because when you're 15 minutes away from Indiana, which lets anyone get a gun, local gun laws won't mean shit. Most of the guns in Chicago come from Indiana. And the iron pipeline from the Southeast to states with stricter gun laws like NJ and NY, which is a well known phenomenon. something like 90% of the guns used in New York City crimes come from out of state.

 

[AxelAnnie]

I just that gun ownership has increased in this country by 50% in the last 10 or so years. However the number of gun related homicides has decreased during that time. Go figure.

 

[MacMadame]

I'm sure we will hear from them soon. Unfortunately.

Has anyone blamed Obama yet?

Clinton. They've blamed Clinton. (I think it was the WH/Trump)

 

[overedge]

I just that gun ownership has increased in this country by 50% in the last 10 or so years. However the number of gun related homicides has decreased during that time. Go figure.

Not that you seem to care about facts and such, but point #8 in this article explains why. "But one theory that researchers have widely debunked is the idea that more guns have deterred crime — in fact, the opposite may be true, based on research compiled by the Harvard School of Public Health’s Injury Control Center."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts

 

[Barbara Manatee]

I just that gun ownership has increased in this country by 50% in the last 10 or so years.

Not so. The percentage of gun owners has dropped. But a disturbing group of them have been stockpiling guns.

The percent of American households owning guns is at a near-40 year low in the latest CBS News poll released this month. [....] According to Gallup, gun ownership has fallen by about 10 percentage points since its peak in 1993. The General Social Survey shows a 20-point drop since the mid-1970s.

But gun purchases, as measured by FBI firearm background checks, are at historic highs. And data from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shows that gun manufacturers are churning out record numbers of guns. Many gun rights advocates argue that these figures mean that the overall number of gun owners is growing: If more guns are being sold, more people must be owning guns.

But the declining rates of gun ownership across three major national surveys suggest a different explanation: that most of the rise in gun purchases is driven by existing gun owners stocking up, rather than by people buying their first gun. A Washington Post analysis last year found that the average American gun owner now owns approximately eight firearms, double the number in the 1990s.

I can't think of many reasons anyone would want 8+ guns, other than paranoia and evil intent.

 

[skateboy]

I feel so numb from this (as well as similar recent events).

Just chiming in to say that people need to stop fcuking killing other people. It's not that hard: wake up, go through your day/evening, don't kill people, go to bed. Lather, rinse, repeat.

 

[Lacey]

So, on September 25th (last Monday), the shooter's girlfriend went to the Philippines, where she was born (she is a citizen of Australia). The shooter had wired $100,000 there last week.

There's a whole lot more there inside the story. She is supposed to be coming back to the US tomorrow. I certainly hope they have the correct search warrants and take her in for questioning STAT.

 

[sk8pics]

Your right to own a gun is not more important than my right to live without having to worry about being randomly shot on the street.

This. This. A million times this.

 

[Angelskates]

Axel Annie, gun laws and gun control is not the same as banning all guns. Australia has not banned guns, it has created laws that changed the way guns are bought, sold, stored, applied for etc. The gun buy back scheme that the Howard government implemented more than once got both illegal and legal guns off the street. Does any of it guarantee we'll never have another mass shooting or that people won't have illegal access to guns? No, of course not. Does it stop those who are mentally ill having access to gun? Not completely, but it does make it a lot harder. There's a black market for everything. But it has changed not only Australia's gun culture - yes, we did (and some say, still do) have one too - but we haven't had a mass shooting since. We have had gun violence (and we had the Lindt café siege) but nothing like the numbers in the US. Gun control can make a difference. It doesn't mean banning all guns. Why are you so unwilling to try? Imagine if it works.

I will never understand the gun culture in the US, I don't understand why some can't see that the right to bear arms wasn't given with automatic weapons in mind or any idea what would happen in the future. I do think it's possible to keep the "right" and still change the gun laws, but the NRA just has too much control, so I don't think it will happen, at least not while Trump is in power.

I don't think gun control is the only answer, I do think mental health issues and other things play a part. But then the US doesn't have universal healthcare either, which could help with that...

 

[4rkidz]

Just as the state has said that I have no control over a woman's body other than my own, the state has said that people can own guns.
You have a right to do what you want with your body and I have a right to own a gun. They are the same. You simply trivialize my right over yours.

So how many thousands of people have you killed with your body?

 

[Angelskates]

Chicago is an excellent example for the need of federal gun control laws because when you're 15 minutes away from Indiana, which lets anyone get a gun, local gun laws won't mean shit. Most of the guns in Chicago come from Indiana. And the iron pipeline from the Southeast to states with stricter gun laws like NJ and NY, which is a well known phenomenon. something like 90% of the guns used in New York City crimes come from out of state.

You can drive guns from one state to another without checks? Australia has checks on borders for fruit and fruit produce. Our gun laws are national, but I think if they weren't, we'd have border checks.

 

[PrincessLeppard]

So I've already seen some of my right wing friends claiming this is a false flag operation with crisis actors. (Can someone tell me where I can get this job? I hope it pays as well as all the protests I went to for which I was paid....Oh, wait...) Which is weird, because don't the Republicans have control of the government now? Oh, right, now it's Soros and Antifa because....reasons?

My sister has families of the victims staying at her hotel. She can assure people they are not acting.

@Angelskates We don't have checkpoints as you cross into different states.

 

[4rkidz]

So I've already seen some of my right wing friends claiming this is a false flag operation with crisis actors. (Can someone tell me where I can get this job? I hope it pays as well as all the protests I went to for which I was paid....Oh, wait...) Which is weird, because don't the Republicans have control of the government now? Oh, right, now it's Soros and Antifa because....reasons?

My sister has families of the victims staying at her hotel. She can assure people they are not acting.

@Angelskates We don't have checkpoints as you cross into different states.

Same people deny holocaust, blame the zionists for 9-11 and think Sandy Hook was also fake. They even have guest speakers on the university circuit, I don’t think people realize how Main Street this is becoming, quite frightening

 

[Kruss]

My BIL says he might recognize one of the pictures of the victims as one of those he tried helping the other night.

 

[Angelskates]

What is a "false flag" attack?

 

[overedge]

What is a "false flag" attack?

Where the government allegedly stages the attack, to upset the citizens and thus justify the goverment doing something like taking everyone's guns away.