Russian Skaters Allowed to Compete as Neutrals (AIN) to Qualify for 2026 Winter Olympics

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Wow, what an explosion over this. Lots of pent up emotion here. Here`s mine. After watching skating for 40 years we can expect three actions by the Russians:

1. They will manipulate/circumvent these procedures to their advantage in ways the procedures were never intended
2. They will implement medical practices to keep their age-eligible women in pre-pubescence and able to do 4/3As
3. They no doubt have developed performance/recovery compounds not in ISU banned substances

This looks like another Thomas Bach strategy to escort the Russians back to the Olympic movement. Remember he tried this before Paris and happily few federations took it up.

Several have pointed out that since the ban the rest of skating Europe has woken up. Let`s keep it woke :)
 

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Pointless to discuss who is eligible. You arent the one to make the decision anyways
It’s not pointless to point out not only is explicit support for war/putin banned by ISU so is implicit support. And everyone can look up the definition of implicit
 

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It’s not pointless to point out not only is explicit support for war/putin banned by ISU so is implicit support. And everyone can look up the definition of implicit

It’s not pointless to point out not only is explicit support for war/putin banned by ISU so is implicit support. And everyone can look up the definition of implicit
Read on golden skate forum that ISU is under the pressure of the IOC to include AIN skaters into the Olympics

Tough luck in influencing the IOC
 

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Read on golden skate forum that ISU is under the pressure of the IOC to include AIN skaters into the Olympics

Tough luck in influencing the IOC
There are many ways the ISU can accommodate the IOC's wishes without bending over backwards to welcome Russian skaters back into competition - like allowing the lower-profile Belarusian athletes back in with less hassle.

Beyond that, the IOC was putting pressure on the summer feds ahead of Paris and precious few bowed to the IOC's wishes. I have no doubt the ISU is capable of playing appropriate lip service to the IOC while setting the bar high enough that it will be quite difficult for most Russian skaters to clear.
 

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Apparently, it's very difficult to understand. Or, you know, it's not. It's just the usual "how dare you not agree with us, you stupid/evil person who is just too stupid/evil/acting in bad faith" as happens here on this topic and several others.

Mind you that the argument I am making here - Western countries are rich and powerful due to history and therefore impose their will onto the others either by hook or by crook, and don't really care about what others think and how they suffer - is the same one leftist Americans make about the right wing. Apparently, it's too much to expect them to agree that it extends to the rest of the world. Because that'd require them to admit they're the beneficiaries.

A very "look in the mirror, dear" topic, this one, if I may.
What does the left and the right in America have to do with any of this? Must we drag the inner-American conflict into this?

Why are so many people so angry? Compared to the Ukrainians and even some Russians who can’t speak out, we are lucky, and we are enjoying the holidays. We are angry because of something that don’t affect our daily lives. Let’s put that into perspective, while keeping in thoughts the woes of the world

Take a breath, enjoy the rest of the holiday season, and peace to the world!
 

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Read on golden skate forum that ISU is under the pressure of the IOC to include AIN skaters into the Olympics

Tough luck in influencing the IOC
I really Doubt any pressure to include Russians is greater than pressure from America Canada Japan etc to exclude Russians. And if isu setting up rules that ban any and all implicit and explicit support of the war or Putin than there’s not going To be any Russians- so pressure to include Russians failed.

In America never at any point during Cold War did hatred for Russians exist like it exists now. Not even during McCarthyism! In 1980 Russians were welcome to Olympics but Russians in 2028 LA is unimaginable
 

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I really Doubt any pressure to include Russians is greater than pressure from America Canada Japan etc to exclude Russians. And if isu setting up rules that ban any and all implicit and explicit support of the war or Putin than there’s not going To be any Russians- so pressure to include Russians failed.

In America never at any point during Cold War did hatred for Russians exist like it exists now. Not even during McCarthyism! In 1980 Russians were welcome to Olympics but Russians in 2028 LA is unimaginable
LOL. I thought you were old enough to know better. As someone whose parents (mild Labor Zionists, not Communists) had to worry about their jobs during McCarthy, I’ll say you are completely wrong.

And there’s a section of the far right that admires Putin and Russia for being anti-LGBT and ‘masculine’ in the ways they find appealing. A section of the far left defends them because according to them, America is always the aggressor and always wrong.

I hope the ISU doesn’t wobble under IOC pressure and that Coe wins the election.
 

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LOL. I thought you were old enough to know better. As someone whose parents (mild Labor Zionists, not Communists) had to worry about their jobs during McCarthy, I’ll say you are completely wrong.

And there’s a section of the far right that admires Putin and Russia for being anti-LGBT and ‘masculine’ in the ways they find appealing. A section of the far left defends them because according to them, America is always the aggressor and always wrong.

I hope the ISU doesn’t wobble under IOC pressure and that Coe wins the election.
But Russians were still allowed in America during McCarthy times. They aren’t now. There were cultural exchanges that don’t exist now but did then!


This didn’t exist during Cold War but does now

The elite of America. The elite institutions of America feel Putin is far worse than any communist that ever existed.
 

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But Russians were still allowed in America during McCarthy times. They aren’t now. There were cultural exchanges that don’t exist now but did then!


This didn’t exist during Cold War but does now
This is illogical. It's because of sanctions and the war not because of hatred.
 

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But Russians were still allowed in America during McCarthy times. They aren’t now. There were cultural exchanges that don’t exist now but did then!
Both skating rinks I took lessons in last year had tons of Russian skaters, kids and coaches, all living in suburban northern Virginia. The only other Euro-descent immigrants sworn into U.S. citizenship at my husband’s ceremony were Russian and Irish. Brighton Beach and other neighborhoods, Russian is the dominant language.

In the 1950s the only Russians here were defectors and those few exchang program participants who were guarded by the KGB.
 

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But Russians were still allowed in America during McCarthy times. They aren’t now. There were cultural exchanges that don’t exist now but did then!


This didn’t exist during Cold War but does now
This is indeed ridiculous.

People here justifying anything and everything their country does need to open their eyes soon.

I'm sure America shouldn't be banned from anywhere and anything because it didn't "invade". All it did was murder people and install puppet leaders, so let them into your country. Or else.
 

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You know, @caseyedwards, you were a lot more entertaining as a troll when all you did was harp on quadless journeymen here in GSD. Anytime you wanna dial back your trolling to that level would be a welcome respite from what you've become.

As far as @ajingmarg - you too would also be far more entertaining if there were any Russian skaters actually competing right now outside of Russia for you to blindly & baselessly claim were the best & :wuzrobbed every time they lost to anyone else.

And, lastly, @On My Own - you're just not interesting or entertaining at all standing on your little soapbox of oppression & faux moral superiority. I can't speak for the rest of FSU, but I have long since lost patience with your unearned arrogance. Whatever value you occasionally provide in the Chinese, Japanese & Korean News threads just isn't worth having to read through the drivel you post when you get up on your high horse in this & many other threads.

Onto my ignore list & I encourage everyone to do the same so we don't keep checking in on this thread unless there is actual news rather than the obnoxious, circular arguments these trolls love to make.
 

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And, lastly, @On My Own - you're just not interesting or entertaining at all standing on your little soapbox of oppression & faux moral superiority. I can't speak for the rest of FSU, but I have long since lost patience with your unearned arrogance. Whatever value you occasionally provide in the Chinese, Japanese & Korean News threads just isn't worth having to read through the drivel you post when you get up on your high horse in this & many other threads.
I wonder if this is not supposed to be a personal comment?

Consider the feeling of not finding you interesting and entertaining at all mutual. It's not like I care about American skating or ice dance lol.
 
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You know, @caseyedwards, you were a lot more entertaining as a troll when all you did was harp on quadless journeymen here in GSD. Anytime you wanna dial back your trolling to that level would be a welcome respite from what you've become.

As far as @ajingmarg - you too would also be far more entertaining if there were any Russian skaters actually competing right now outside of Russia for you to blindly & baselessly claim were the best & :wuzrobbed every time they lost to anyone else.

And, lastly, @On My Own - you're just not interesting or entertaining at all standing on your little soapbox of oppression & faux moral superiority. I can't speak for the rest of FSU, but I have long since lost patience with your unearned arrogance. Whatever value you occasionally provide in the Chinese, Japanese & Korean News threads just isn't worth having to read through the drivel you post when you get up on your high horse in this & many other threads.

Onto my ignore list & I encourage everyone to do the same so we don't keep checking in on this thread unless there is actual news rather than the obnoxious, circular arguments these trolls love to make.
please define implicit

You seem to be extremely angry and furious I am saying all Russians are ineligible to compete and not will even be allowed to seek to qualify based on isu rules of banning implicit support

Also undeniably true Russians were treated better during Cold War and McCarthyism than they are being treated now by Americans
 
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Both skating rinks I took lessons in last year had tons of Russian skaters, kids and coaches, all living in suburban northern Virginia. The only other Euro-descent immigrants sworn into U.S. citizenship at my husband’s ceremony were Russian and Irish. Brighton Beach and other neighborhoods, Russian is the dominant language.

In the 1950s the only Russians here were defectors and those few exchang program participants who were guarded by the KGB.
Did I say anything about Americans of Russian heritage being banned? No i didn’t. I said every clearly where there once had been invitations to Russians to do artistic or sporting events during Cold War they have ended now. I mean were Russians banned form chess during Cold War?
 
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The Mariinsky Theatre is of a tradition that should be considered a world heritage, if it isn't already. It's up to America if it wants to no longer have a piece of that tradition due to politics and pressure groups.

And if people here think I'm spinning some sort of oppression story due to arrogance or whatever by saying that, they are free to live in that world.
 

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You are overestimating anti-Russian feelings relative to the Cold War is my point. Either you weren’t around or don’t remember well. Most antagonism now is targeted to Putin and the war, not to Russians generally, some of whim now live here.

Although in skating, given the doping and outrageous comments by some Russian officials and coaches, the animosity is stronger. For good reason in my opinion.
 

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You are overestimating anti-Russian feelings relative to the Cold War is my point. Either you weren’t around or don’t remember well. Most antagonism now is targeted to Putin and the war, not to Russians generally, some of whim now live here.

Although in skating, given the doping and outrageous comments by some Russian officials and coaches, the animosity is stronger. For good reason in my opinion.
I guess I have to clarify! American and western hostility to Putin policies is affecting people from Russia with cultural exchanges ,chess, sports far more than hostility to communist policies ever did. Do you disagree with that? Because at no point during Cold War were Russians banned from chess or Olympics because of a Soviet invasion of some country and there were lots and lots!
 

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When Russia invaded Czechoslovakia in 1968, it was quietly acknowledged by the West that it was “within the Soviet sphere of influence” and resulted in the Brezhnev Doctrine, which said the USSR could intervene in any country where Communist rule was threatened.

Needless to say, almost no one in the West grants Putin’s Russia the same rights in terms of invading an independent country with its own government that desires to be closer to the West. In real life, if Russia invaded Uzbekistan, there probably would not have been the same reaction, but Ukraine is European and Russian aggression there threatens the Baltics, Poland etc.

All by way of saying that the circumstances were so different it’s very hard to compare.
 

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When Russia invaded Czechoslovakia in 1968, it was quietly acknowledged by the West that it was “within the Soviet sphere of influence” and resulted in the Brezhnev Doctrine, which said the USSR could intervene in any country where Communist rule was threatened.

Needless to say, almost no one in the West grants Putin’s Russia the same rights in terms of invading an independent country with its own government that desires to be closer to the West. In real life, if Russia invaded Uzbekistan, there probably would not have been the same reaction, but Ukraine is European and Russian aggression there threatens the Baltics, Poland etc.

All by way of saying that the circumstances were so different it’s very hard to compare.
No one can deny the people of Hungary or Czechoslovakia wanted to be in the west when Soviet Union invaded. It’s the same situation.
 

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You know, @caseyedwards, you were a lot more entertaining as a troll when all you did was harp on quadless journeymen here in GSD. Anytime you wanna dial back your trolling to that level would be a welcome respite from what you've become.

As far as @ajingmarg - you too would also be far more entertaining if there were any Russian skaters actually competing right now outside of Russia for you to blindly & baselessly claim were the best & :wuzrobbed every time they lost to anyone else.

And, lastly, @On My Own - you're just not interesting or entertaining at all standing on your little soapbox of oppression & faux moral superiority. I can't speak for the rest of FSU, but I have long since lost patience with your unearned arrogance. Whatever value you occasionally provide in the Chinese, Japanese & Korean News threads just isn't worth having to read through the drivel you post when you get up on your high horse in this & many other threads.

Onto my ignore list & I encourage everyone to do the same so we don't keep checking in on this thread unless there is actual news rather than the obnoxious, circular arguments these trolls love to make.
I have only made 3 comments in this thread. Are you reading them carefully?

What you have summarized isnt what i have in my mind.

Are you an AI machine?

🤭🤭🤭

Can you not intrepret human language correctly?
 

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The worst part about reading this particular thread is so many people are on my ignore list that I have no idea what’s being said.

And I admit I’m not willing to read through all the garbage, but I have a question. Wouldn’t the Russians have to compete in Boston to earn spots for the next Olympic Games? (I’m sure that’s been answered somewhere in here, but it’s probably buried in between posts from people who believe that Russia is a land of Saints and angels who are being prosecuted.😂)
 

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The worst part about reading this particular thread is so many people are on my ignore list that I have no idea what’s being said.

And I admit I’m not willing to read through all the garbage, but I have a question. Wouldn’t the Russians have to compete in Boston to earn spots for the next Olympic Games? (I’m sure that’s been answered somewhere in here, but it’s probably buried in between posts from people who believe that Russia is a land of Saints and angels who are being prosecuted.😂)
No - info is on the 1st page about what's happening. Just like every ISU member fed who doesn't qualify entrants in each discipline at Worlds, they get one last chance at the Olympic Qualifying Event next September. The ISU is going to allow Russia & Belarus to enter that competition. No plans to allow them to compete at Worlds or any other competitions yet.
 

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The worst part about reading this particular thread is so many people are on my ignore list that I have no idea what’s being said.

And I admit I’m not willing to read through all the garbage, but I have a question. Wouldn’t the Russians have to compete in Boston to earn spots for the next Olympic Games? (I’m sure that’s been answered somewhere in here, but it’s probably buried in between posts from people who believe that Russia is a land of Saints and angels who are being prosecuted.😂)

No, they will compete in the Olympic qualifying event in China.
 

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The worst part about reading this particular thread is so many people are on my ignore list that I have no idea what’s being said.

And I admit I’m not willing to read through all the garbage, but I have a question. Wouldn’t the Russians have to compete in Boston to earn spots for the next Olympic Games? (I’m sure that’s been answered somewhere in here, but it’s probably buried in between posts from people who believe that Russia is a land of Saints and angels who are being prosecuted.😂)

They are being allowed to send one skater to the Olympic qualifying competition. In past years, this was Nebelhorn, but this year it will be a separate event by itself in china.
 

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They are being allowed to send one skater to the Olympic qualifying competition. In past years, this was Nebelhorn, but this year it will be a separate event by itself in china.
They are being allowed to submit 2 skaters/teams for each discipline for political and doping proximity evaluation and then if they pass the political and doping tests one will be allowed to skate in China

There is no indication anywhere any Russian skaters will pass the “no implicit support of the war” test or the “never have met Valieva or eteri” test

It’s silly to expect any Russians in China. Very silly!

People will not only not read what the isu wrote they won’t read posts here in this thread! It’s the title and nothing else.

People assume there will be 18 Russian skaters in Italy!!!
 
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^^^ Same link is in post #1 - not sure why you keep posting trolling this thread like you know for certain what the ISU will do? :shuffle:
Further details may be found in ISU Communication 2680 [link below]. A Q&A [link] is also available to address specific questions in relation to the topic.
ISU Communication 2680 - On the access to qualification events for Individual Neutral Athletes (AIN) in ISU sports for participation at the Olympic Winter Games Milano Cortina 2026 (10 pages): https://isu-d8g8b4b7ece7aphs.a03.az...Communication2680039609800_17346849641740.pdf
 
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