Russian Skaters Allowed to Compete as Neutrals (AIN) to Qualify for 2026 Winter Olympics

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^^^ Same link is in post #1 - not sure why you keep posting trolling this thread like you know for certain what the ISU will do? :shuffle:
Sorry but no one has read beyond your misleading thread title!!

Russian skaters have not been allowed to compete. They have been allowed to apply for eligibility evaluation

No one should expect to see even one Russian skater in China
 
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And there’s a section of the far right that admires Putin and Russia for being anti-LGBT and ‘masculine’ in the ways they find appealing. A section of the far left defends them because according to them, America is always the aggressor and always wrong.
What section of the far left exactly is pro Russia? A handful of basement "tankies" and "post-left" fash suck-ups like max blumenthal aren't exactly representational of the far left. The far left wants nothing to do with Putin.
 

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I might have missed it, if anyone posted this documentary on Valieva, posted by NHK' World (Japanese, but the language is English). I do feel so sad for Valieva and believe she was a scapegoat.
One interview with an official in Canada who was involved in WADA's investigation, stated that between 2013 and 2015, there were 56 substances found in her drug test samples. These were not banned substances, but my goodness. Using drugs on a teenager.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqf-QVHUFkk
 

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I might have missed it, if anyone posted this documentary on Valieva, posted by NHK' World (Japanese, but the language is English). I do feel so sad for Valieva and believe she was a scapegoat.
One interview with an official in Canada who was involved in WADA's investigation, stated that between 2013 and 2015, there were 56 substances found in her drug test samples. These were not banned substances, but my goodness. Using drugs on a teenager.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqf-QVHUFkk
Valieva and her training mates definitely suffered abuse by their coaches and the system. And as we know, Valieva is hardly the only Russian athlete to test positive for a banned substance. Which is why Russia needs to be banned, and not just their flag and anthem...everyone, all sports....for at least one full Oly cycle. Yes, it's unfortunate for the athletes but with state-sponsored doping, the state needs to face consequences.
 

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Sorry but no one has read beyond your misleading thread title!!

Russian skaters have not been allowed to compete. They have been allowed to apply for eligibility evaluation

No one should expect to see even one Russian skater in China

You spent all September wailing that the election was over and Harris would win. Do you like repeating your fears in hopes they won’t come true? It’s very tiresome.

What section of the far left exactly is pro Russia? A handful of basement "tankies" and "post-left" fash suck-ups like max blumenthal aren't exactly representational of the far left. The far left wants nothing to do with Putin.

Ever read Katrina van den Heuvel at the Nation? She and her tribe have been serenading us with why helping defend Ukraine is all wrong since before the war even started. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/01/18/stumbling-toward-war-over-ukraine-is-nuts/

And then there’s Bernie Sanders former foreign policy advisor (whom I know from his days working on Israel) in the Guardian today: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2025/jan/09/democrats-war-foreign-policy

I don’t think he’s all wrong but notice him completely evading what Biden should have done with Ukraine.

Putin and Assad BFF Tulsi Gabbard ran and won as a progressive in Congress:

And finally an excellent description of the horseshoe theory and far right and left backing Putin: https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/07/0...far-right-left-progressive-horseshoe-theory/I
 

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You spent all September wailing that the election was over and Harris would win. Do you like repeating your fears in hopes they won’t come true? It’s very tiresome.



Ever read Katrina van den Heuvel at the Nation? She and her tribe have been serenading us with why helping defend Ukraine is all wrong since before the war even started. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/01/18/stumbling-toward-war-over-ukraine-is-nuts/

And then there’s Bernie Sanders former foreign policy advisor (whom I know from his days working on Israel) in the Guardian today: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2025/jan/09/democrats-war-foreign-policy

I don’t think he’s all wrong but notice him completely evading what Biden should have done with Ukraine.

Putin and Assad BFF Tulsi Gabbard ran and won as a progressive in Congress:

And finally an excellent description of the horseshoe theory and far right and left backing Putin: https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/07/0...far-right-left-progressive-horseshoe-theory/I
Of course. He did so bad in that debate. It was the only thing to believe. Then she did more and more bad interviews and the debate faded

Define implicit nonverbal.

With a group that wants to keep all Russians banned permanently that is a green light to keep them banned

Implicit nonverbal could be anything.

So it is silly to believe any Russians will be in China let alone Italy

So all that’s being asked is proof Adelia Petrosian is not guilty of any implicit nonverbal behavior that supported the war. Post proof of that ASAP!!!

If you can’t provide it for Adelia Petrosian try Vladislav Dikidzhi!! Post all the proof of NO implicit nonverbal behavior that supported the war!!

Post it ASAP!!!
 
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One interview with an official in Canada who was involved in WADA's investigation, stated that between 2013 and 2015, there were 56 substances found in her drug test samples. These were not banned substances, but my goodness. Using drugs on a teenager.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqf-QVHUFkk
That is not true. The list of 56 'substances' was a list provided by Valieva of things she took over a certain time period and included things like several brands of cough medicine and several types of NSAIDs -- i.e., OTC pain meds people take every day all over the world -- and vitamin and protein supplements.

There is no test that could have found even half of what was on that list. It was not a list of what was found in her bloodstream.
 

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sure it would be difficult to post proof of no nonverbal or implicit support of the war but I was asking more about isu saying Petrosian or Dikidzhi have been cleared to participate in China because they have never done anything implicitly/nonverbally supportive of the war.
 

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Oh, jeez... Of course Russia wants to have more than 2 nominations. They must really be concerned that their top two choices in some or all disciplines are going to be rejected -


From Google Translate:

The Russian Figure Skating Federation (RFSF) plans to send an application of several names to the International Skating Union (ISU) to obtain neutral status, several sources told RIA Novosti.

According to one of the agency's sources, we may be talking about the first five numbers from the last Russian championship in each discipline. This arrangement does not contradict the ISU criteria for neutral status, since the final list of participants in the qualification tournament will be formed as a result, consisting of one main participant and one reserve.
 

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AIN nominees named; no word on the Substitute nominees -


Women - Petrosian
Men - TBD at Russian GPF
Pairs - Mishina/Galliamov
Dance - Stepanova/Bukin
 

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Oh, jeez... Of course Russia wants to have more than 2 nominations. They must really be concerned that their top two choices in some or all disciplines are going to be rejected -


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The isu rules are impossible to decipher clearly! No one knows what makes a nonverbal implicit support of war. Isu came up with that they can define it for Russia
 

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That is not true. The list of 56 'substances' was a list provided by Valieva of things she took over a certain time period and included things like several brands of cough medicine and several types of NSAIDs -- i.e., OTC pain meds people take every day all over the world -- and vitamin and protein supplements.

There is no test that could have found even half of what was on that list. It was not a list of what was found in her bloodstream.
Ok but from what you said she did ingest more than 50 substances and these could show up in a drug test and I did state these substances were not banned types. Even cough medicine has chemicals that are considered substances or drugs. Taking 50+ types of substances us not healthy even over a period of years.
My opinion. Disagree if you want.
 

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Ok but from what you said she did ingest more than 50 substances and these could show up in a drug test a
No, they can't show up in a drug test because they aren't thing that are tested for or even could have a test. Vitamin C does not show up on a drug test. Protein drinks don't show up on a drug test. Cough drops do not show up in a drug test. Advil does not show up on a drug test. Cold medicine may or may not depending on if it has a banned substance but no banned substances were found so it must have been safe cold medicine and did not show up on a drug test.

It was 56 items most of which were all OTC, safe, normal items that most people take at some point. Also, they were taken over a several-year period, not in one day or even one month.

I absolutely believe that Sambo 70 was (and probably still is) dosing these kids with performance-enhancing drugs. But this narrative that this poor child has "56 substances" in her blood stream at one time that were found via a drug test is simply not true and very misleading.
 

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AIN nominees named; no word on the Substitute nominees -


Women - Petrosian
Men - TBD at Russian GPF
Pairs - Mishina/Galliamov
Dance - Stepanova/Bukin
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought Mishina/Galliamov had shown support for the war?
 

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought Mishina/Galliamov had shown support for the war?
Mishina/Galliamov is unclear - it seems like he expressed some level of support for the military early on in the war, but scrubbed it off his social media at some point in the past few years. I don't think Mishina has ever spoken out one way or the other.
I thought Stepanova/Bukin had also supported the war.
The bigger question with them is whether or not Bukin will be cleared given the issue in 2018 with them (him) not being allowed to compete in Pyeongchang due to him being on some sort of doping list.
 

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It was only speculation Bukin and Stolbova failed drug tests. If they had why wasn’t it brought to WADA? It’s impossible to believe they failed drug tests and nothing was ever done by WADA- because they are Russians!

Plus support doesn’t have to be written and explicit. It can be nonverbal and implicit. Participating in sanctioned channel one programming could be nonverbal and implicit. Saying nothing could be nonverbal and implicit.

Mishina Can be judged guilty of nonverbal implicit by saying nothing just as guilty as Galliamov posting z’s every day for a month

If you can’t say what nonverbal implicit means you cant say anyone is eligible.
 
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Mishina/Galliamov is unclear - it seems like he expressed some level of support for the military early on in the war, but scrubbed it off his social media at some point in the past few years. I don't think Mishina has ever spoken out one way or the other.

The bigger question with them is whether or not Bukin will be cleared given the issue in 2018 with them (him) not being allowed to compete in Pyeongchang due to him being on some sort of doping list.
Why should that matter they were cleared for the Olympics in Beijing in 2022.
 

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Why should that matter they were cleared for the Olympics in Beijing in 2022.
Because the isu will probably use the criteria Valerie fourneyon used when she banned them from South Korea to ban them from the Chinese qualifier. Remember this isn’t designed to allow Russians to compete but to keep them out of the qualifier and the Olympics
 

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The bigger question with them is whether or not Bukin will be cleared given the issue in 2018 with them (him) not being allowed to compete in Pyeongchang due to him being on some sort of doping list.
Why is this the bigger question? If these two have openly supported the war and they were named by RSSF, this makes the "neutral" requirement a joke.
 

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Why is this the bigger question? If these two have openly supported the war and they were named by RSSF, this makes the "neutral" requirement a joke.
Openly supporting is not necessary. It’s also nonverbal implicit. Without that being defined it can mean anything. It’s very clear bukin and stepanova can be guilty of nonverbal implicit
 

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Why should that matter they were cleared for the Olympics in Beijing in 2022.
The process for 2022 was different than 2018. In 2022, basically the ROC got to name their athletes & they didn't go through an external vetting process.
Why is this the bigger question? If these two have openly supported the war and they were named by RSSF, this makes the "neutral" requirement a joke.
The RFSF have nominated them, they haven't been approved by the ISU. Until they're approved, we can really only say that the RFSF is treating this as a light joke.
 

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The process for 2022 was different than 2018. In 2022, basically the ROC got to name their athletes & they didn't go through an external vetting process.

The RFSF have nominated them, they haven't been approved by the ISU. Until they're approved, we can really only say that the RFSF is treating this as a light joke.
It’s a joke ISU didn’t define implicit nonverbal. If Russia says explicit is marching in pro war rally in red square and or joining the army to fight and implicit nonverbal is going to the war zone and handing out food that’s their rules. The isu didn’t define these things extensively. The only thing isu said was posting a Z on instagram is definitely bad.

surprised the isu even did this and it was only for the ioc. It’s clear no one in isu wants any Russians in skating anymore
 
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The process for 2022 was different than 2018. In 2022, basically the ROC got to name their athletes & they didn't go through an external vetting process.

The RFSF have nominated them, they haven't been approved by the ISU. Until they're approved, we can really only say that the RFSF is treating this as a light joke.
True. But do you think RSSF would nominate skaters who wouldn't be approved? It seems unlikely.

IIRC this team did things to support the war early on but I've not kept track. Is there some reason to think they are actually neutral?
 

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True. But do you think RSSF would nominate skaters who wouldn't be approved? It seems unlikely.

IIRC this team did things to support the war early on but I've not kept track. Is there some reason to think they are actually neutral?
No, I don't have any reason to believe either Mishina/Galliamov or Stepanova/Bukin are actually neutral.

Honestly, I think StepBuk are being nominated because the rest of the Russian ice dance teams are a hot mess and would struggle to even make the top 10. StepBuk at least have their reputation from 2022 to give them a boost into the top 5, which is what Russia will want from all of their entries.
 

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I thought the "why should it matter in 2018 if it didn't matter in 2022" referenced doping issues, ie, that if he were allowed to skate in 2022, 2018 would not stop him from competing with Stepanova in 2026. Their coaches are Zhuk and Svinin, whose rink isn't known for its doping, and the not-hanging-around-known-dopers (new) requirement shouldn't impact them.

It's their political stances that are in question.
 

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True. But do you think RSSF would nominate skaters who wouldn't be approved? It seems unlikely.

IIRC this team did things to support the war early on but I've not kept track. Is there some reason to think they are actually neutral?
Isu hasn’t defined implicit nonverbal so how does anyone know how isu will define that.
 

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I thought the "why should it matter in 2018 if it didn't matter in 2022" referenced doping issues, ie, that if he were allowed to skate in 2022, 2018 would not stop him from competing with Stepanova in 2026. Their coaches are Zhuk and Svinin, whose rink isn't known for its doping, and the not-hanging-around-known-dopers (new) requirement shouldn't impact them.

It's their political stances that are in question.
And impossible to judge because of the non definition of nonverbal implicit anyway

Non verbal implicit is a way to ban without knowing if someone is neutral

How can anyone be on channel one and not nonverbally implicitly support the war?

The ISU is going to get the list of Russian skaters and then define implicit nonverbal support by what those skaters have done.
 
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I thought the "why should it matter in 2018 if it didn't matter in 2022" referenced doping issues, ie, that if he were allowed to skate in 2022, 2018 would not stop him from competing with Stepanova in 2026. Their coaches are Zhuk and Svinin, whose rink isn't known for its doping, and the not-hanging-around-known-dopers (new) requirement shouldn't impact them.

It's their political stances that are in question.
I believe they're with Zhulin now
 

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