Russian Figure Skater tests positive for drugs - delays ceremony for team medals

[Mafke]

forcing Kenyans athletes to compete without a flag

Dumb. They're banned or they're not. As long as dirty athletes are allowed then national federations will have every incentive to keep on doping....
Tough for clean athletes but it's their national federation's job to worry about that.

 

[caseyedwards]

OK, if it's not resolved, then I hope Kenya is also banned. The article itself says they're considering forcing Kenyans athletes to compete without a flag, so I'm not sure what your issue is?

I was just asked who had problems like Russia

 

[On My Own]

I was just asked who had problems like Russia

Fair.

 

[Sylvia]

Lori Ewing's article for Reuters (Oct. 11) - she used to cover figure skating for the Canadian Press:

U.S. ice dancers frustrated by delay in Russia doping case

World ice dance champion Evan Bates of the United States said the delay in the doping case involving Russian Kamila Valieva was "really frustrating", and the dream of standing atop the Olympic podium was a reason he and partner Madison Chock are still competing.

www.reuters.com

Excerpts:

Bates, Chock and their American team mates who finished second in Beijing remain in limbo awaiting the outcome of the case, which the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) on Sept. 28 adjourned until November.
"The time that has passed since Beijing now is - what are we at, 20 months now?," Bates told reporters on a video call on Wednesday. "And I think that part is the most disappointing, frustrating.
"As an athlete who grew up dreaming of winning an Olympic medal, this was never part of the dream, this was never part of what we envisioned. That's the disappointing part." [...]
"We're the only ones from that team who are still competing, and it just represents sort of the brief span of an Olympic athlete's career and to have this amount of delay in receiving our medals and having our Olympic achievement recognised is incredibly frustrating," Bates said.

The skaters have had conversations with U.S. Figure Skating and the International Skating Union about potential medal ceremonies, Bates said, adding his best-case scenario would be to receive them at next year's Summer Olympics in Paris.
"That would be really special and still having an Olympic moment at an Olympic Games," Chock said. "I'd be happy to just be standing up there with our fellow Team USA athletes, no matter where we are, honestly and share that moment with our families." [...]
"Our dream has been to stand on the podium and get the Olympic medal," Bates said.
"It'd be hard to walk away knowing that, despite having achieved the hard part of winning the Olympic medal, we didn't have that Olympic moment. You see so many montages of whether it's Michael Phelps or whoever, it may be having that emotional moment."

ETA that Lori Ewing, who's based in England now, also wrote this article that was published yesterday:

Athletics-Nigerian sprinter Oduduru banned for six years for doping violations

Nigerian sprinter Divine Oduduru has been banned for six years for committing two Anti-Doping Rule Violations (ADRVs), the Athletics Integrity Unit announced on Thursday, saying there was "overwhelming evidence" against him.

www.reuters.com

 

[marbri]

I haven't kept up with this story but I just saw this on pop up on a newsfeed and

“You can’t eat or drink anything before competitions; everyone knows that.” Tatiana Tarasova on Tutberidze’s story about Valieva being treated to ice cream and team by a volunteer at Nationals

Translation of Tatiana Tarasova's comment about Kamila Valieva being treated to ice cream and team by a volunteer at the Russian Nationals 2022

fs-gossips.com

Is this the new angle now? It wasn't grandpa's coffee. It was sabotage by tea and ice cream?

 

[overedge]

I haven't kept up with this story but I just saw this on pop up on a newsfeed and

“You can’t eat or drink anything before competitions; everyone knows that.” Tatiana Tarasova on Tutberidze’s story about Valieva being treated to ice cream and team by a volunteer at Nationals

Translation of Tatiana Tarasova's comment about Kamila Valieva being treated to ice cream and team by a volunteer at the Russian Nationals 2022

fs-gossips.com

Is this the new angle now? It wasn't grandpa's coffee. It was sabotage by tea and ice cream?

Time for @Andrey aka Pushkin to make another emoji

 

[LeafOnTheWind]

It's a complete slap in the face to all athletes every time they come up with some new stupid excuse to cover drugging. Slap her down. Give her a ban, take away the Olympic team medal and stop insulting every clean athlete.

 

[ChelleC]

Here's the translation of what Eteri originally said.

https://fs-gossips.com/eteri-tutber...use-treated-her-to-lipton-tea-i-was-like-rea/

The Grandpa story makes more sense than this.

 

[Vagabond]

I haven't kept up with this story but I just saw this on pop up on a newsfeed and

“You can’t eat or drink anything before competitions; everyone knows that.” Tatiana Tarasova on Tutberidze’s story about Valieva being treated to ice cream and team by a volunteer at Nationals

Translation of Tatiana Tarasova's comment about Kamila Valieva being treated to ice cream and team by a volunteer at the Russian Nationals 2022

fs-gossips.com

Is this the new angle now? It wasn't grandpa's coffee. It was sabotage by tea and ice cream?

almost sounds like another Eteri Tutbridze, except that Tutberidze would say that you can't eat or drink anything ever.

 

[airgelaal]

MEDIA RELEASE
FIGURE SKATING
IN THE ARBITRATION PROCEEDINGS INVOLVING RUSADA, THE ISU,WADA AND KAMILA VALIEVA, THE CAS HEARING HAS BEEN ADJOURNED AND WILL RESUME ON 9-10 NOVEMBER 2023

It's finally November 9th

 

[LeafOnTheWind]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/09/sport/kamila-valieva-case-resumes-spt-intl/index.html

In September, CAS Director General Matthieu Reeb told CNN Sport that the judicial body cannot be blamed for the duration of Valieva’s case.

I need to look at @Karen-W timeline she so helpfully created but wasn't it their lawyer that started this underage skater crap and let her continue skating at the Olympics in the first place?

ETA: why yes, yes it was their crap decision that started this extra mess. Who wants to tweet at them and remind them of that fact?

Russian Figure Skater tests positive for drugs - delays ceremony for team medals

Not to mention, the Romanians never denied giving the medication to Raducan and a few other girls who were also sick. There was no grandpa water cover up story. They straight up admitted that they messed up the dosage because Raducan shouldn't have been given the same dose as Amanar, who was an...

www.fsuniverse.net

Scroll down to around Feb 11

 

[Firedancer]

The CAS hearing for Valieva is over and a decision is expected by the end of January 2024:
https://x.com/anythinggoe/status/1723037462350508297?s=46&t=t-qfJxDjad9-j4B-GsMqGg

 

[Evgeniafan]

The CAS hearing for Valieva is over and a decision is expected by the end of January 2024:
https://x.com/anythinggoe/status/1723037462350508297?s=46&t=t-qfJxDjad9-j4B-GsMqGg

Why 2 more months?

 

[carriecmu0503]

Why 2 more months?

It is only the 10th of November. The end of January is nearly 3 months away. This is unconscionable. By the end of January? That is barely short of TWO FULL YEARS since this event took place in February of 2022.

 

[Colonel Green]

It is only the 10th of November. The end of January is nearly 3 months away. This is unconscionable. By the end of January? That is barely short of TWO FULL YEARS since this event took place in February of 2022.

A few months is not an unusual amount of time for a decision by an administrative tribunal.

 

[Vagabond]

If I remember correctly, when the Court of Arbitration for Sport took up the case, it said that it expected to issue its decision in January 2024.

The Court has procedures to follow and other cases to consider.

If you want someone to blame, blame Eteri Tutberidze and the Russian sports industrial complex for not coming clean.

 

[carriecmu0503]

A few months is not an unusual amount of time for a decision by an administrative tribunal.

This whole process NEVER should have taken 2 YEARS. It is inexcusable.

 

[bardtoob]

It is only the 10th of November. The end of January is nearly 3 months away. This is unconscionable. By the end of January? That is barely short of TWO FULL YEARS since this event took place in February of 2022.

Bribe money can't simply be transferred any longer, it now also has to be laundered

Also, access to forged evidence has to be carefully orchestrated

 

[Karen-W]

Y'all realize this isn't even close to over, right?

Once we get the Valieva ruling, the IOC/ISU will potentially have to determine how to recalculate the team event results. The Russians WILL fight, all the way to CAS again, any result that costs them the gold (or any medal). I really don't see this being wrapped up before Milano-Cortina if Valieva is found guilty and banned for any length of time that includes Beijing 2022.

 

[Mafke]

ussians WILL fight, all the way to CAS again

I just never want to see another athlete from russia again. I've lost all sympathy for all of them. Blame the federation or the country's culture but... nope. keep them out. They no longer bring anything of value.

 

[caseyedwards]

The problem is ioc doesn’t want to upset the United States by being fair and going by precedent and wants to please all anti Russia fanatics who want nothing less but total ban of all Russians forever.this whole case is because of United States

 

[Colonel Green]

This whole process NEVER should have taken 2 YEARS. It is inexcusable.

I was referring to the time to draft a decision. But in any case, the delays prior to that seem to have happened on RUSADA’s end, which there’s not much WADA or the IOC can do anything about. Everyone involved has procedural rights.

Even in cooperative circumstances, these things take time. The reallocation of the men’s 4x100 metre sprint medals from Tokyo 2021 wasn’t completed until this summer.

 

[airgelaal]

Y'all realize this isn't even close to over, right?

Once we get the Valieva ruling, the IOC/ISU will potentially have to determine how to recalculate the team event results. The Russians WILL fight, all the way to CAS again, any result that costs them the gold (or any medal). I really don't see this being wrapped up before Milano-Cortina if Valieva is found guilty and banned for any length of time that includes Beijing 2022.

Can they? I mean, isn't this the final decision?
And I read that all russian sports federations that had filed lawsuits for suspension with the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) have withdrawn them

 

[peibeck]

I haven't kept up with this story but I just saw this on pop up on a newsfeed and

“You can’t eat or drink anything before competitions; everyone knows that.” Tatiana Tarasova on Tutberidze’s story about Valieva being treated to ice cream and team by a volunteer at Nationals

Translation of Tatiana Tarasova's comment about Kamila Valieva being treated to ice cream and team by a volunteer at the Russian Nationals 2022

fs-gossips.com

Is this the new angle now? It wasn't grandpa's coffee. It was sabotage by tea and ice cream?

I find it difficult to believe. I mean, by the looks of it TAT definitely got ALL the ice cream.

 

[bardtoob]

I just never want to see another athlete from russia again. I've lost all sympathy for all of them. Blame the federation or the country's culture but... nope. keep them out. They no longer bring anything of value.

The problem is ioc doesn’t want to upset the United States by being fair and going by precedent and wants to please all anti Russia fanatics who want nothing less but total ban of all Russians forever.this whole case is because of United States

You both sound ridiculous.

You can't ban every Russian forever.

You can't expect something like this to not be fully investigated and long fought.

If not anything else, maybe this will prevent a medical accident in the future. Accidentally consuming something like this would at least be grounds for calling poison control or immediately consulting a competent physician. Where is evidence of that? Where has anybody indicated concern about her safety? It all seems to be about some legal mumbo jumbo, who gets what medal, and the timing of some non-urgent test that would not serve the need to confirm that she is physically well after being exposed to some heart medication. What if it caused her blood pressure to drop dangerously low or caused an arrhythmia that lead to a dangerous blood clot? This seems like anything but "protected minor" status.

 

[Mafke]

You can't expect something like this to not be fully investigated and long fought.

I realize that.

But it should be playing out after the medal ceremony. I've yet to hear any explanation that made any sense as to why the usual procedure wasn't applied.
disqualify KV
recalculate the team scores (or disqualify the team, whichever is what the rules say)
have the ceremony at the games

Then begin the longterm investigation afterwards.

Why didn't that happen again?

 

[Karen-W]

I realize that.

But it should be playing out after the medal ceremony. I've yet to hear any explanation that made any sense as to why the usual procedure wasn't applied.
disqualify KV
recalculate the team scores (or disqualify the team, whichever is what the rules say)
have the ceremony at the games

Then begin the longterm investigation afterwards.

Why didn't that happen again?

Because Valieva had "protected person" status due to her age. Which the ROC and RUSADA have exploited at every step along the way in this ridiculously protracted process.

 

[Mafke]

Because Valieva had "protected person" status due to her age. Which the ROC and RUSADA have exploited at every step along the way in this ridiculously protracted process.

So young competitors are free to dope? Or federations can change the rules as they go along if they have young comeptitiors?

Another reason to raise the minimum age of competitors.

But how did her age mean they couldn't disqualify her and have the ceremony and figure out everything later?

 

[LeafOnTheWind]

But how did her age mean they couldn't disqualify her and have the ceremony and figure out everything later?

CAS started it by letting her skate the individual portion. Her age was their excuse for pandering to Bach and Russia.

 

[coppertop1]

Russia should have been banned after their systemic doping was revealed. If the IOC had dealt with them properly and not coddled them with being "neutral athletes" this entitled mess could have been avoided.