Russia banned from hosting/competing at major international events for 4 years

[Frau Muller]

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No russian flag, no russian anthem, they will have to submit a song (as an athem) that must be approved by the IOC

At the recent ISU Worlds for speed skating, it was the opening strains of Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto no 1... Love it! Bring on the classical music, by hook or crook!!!

⛸🇷🇺 Russian athletes now hear Tchaikovsky's 1st concert instead of the anthem News / #russia #sport

This is how the award ceremony for Angelina Golikova, who for the first time won at the world speed skating championships, went on yesterday. Instead of the ...

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Oh, how great would it be for Tarasova/Morozov (or other Russian pair) to skate next year’s LP to this...as a prelude to hearing it again on the podium?!

 

[mjb52]

And then maybe another team can skate to Katyusha and we can compare?

 

[Vagabond]

they will have to submit a song (as an athem) that must be approved by the IOC

Tumbalalaika?

 

[Tinami Amori]

Tumbalalaika?

The song is supposed represent "Russia", not "Israel"........

 

[mjb52]

Tumbalalaika is the only song I ever learned to play on the guitar. Wildwood Flower is the only song I ever learned to play on the banjo.

 

[Tinami Amori]

Tumbalalaika is the only song I ever learned to play on the guitar. Wildwood Flower is the only song I ever learned to play on the banjo.

Now....... if you want to learn the worlds....

A shmek yidish—Tumbalalayke - Review the lyrics!

Get the full analysis of the lyrics to Tumbalalayke in this video.http://www.yiddishbookcenter.org/a-shmek-yidish

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[mjb52]

I know the words! Here's a really great performance, the one that got me interested in learning the song:watch

 

[Frau Muller]

I just watched Russian TV news in passing about this anthem matter. I believe that Tchaikovsky is “it” (practice the name, Ted!) unless the IOC finds it to be too beautiful and triumphant...in which case Russian athletes may be forced to listen to the Volga Boatmen’s Song:

*The Song of the Volga Boatmen* / Ey, ukhnem!

subtitled video file.http://lyricstranslate.comYo, heave, ohYo, heave, ohOnce more, once again, still once moreYo, heave, ohYo, heave, ohOnce more, once agai...

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[taz'smum]

Just a thought.
What if a skater skated to the Russian National anthem?
That surely would put the cat amongst the pigeons

 

[skatingguy]

Just a thought.
What if a skater skated to the Russian National anthem?
That surely would put the cat amongst the pigeons

Or a bear among the salmon, as the case may be, as if there isn't enough drama in Russian skating already.

 

[Frau Muller]

Just a thought.
What if a skater skated to the Russian National anthem?
That surely would put the cat amongst the pigeons

Or...to a combination of the current Russian hymn and the Imperial-era “God Save the Tsar”...a part of which Tchaikovsky includes in his 1812 Overture.

Lots of great musical ideas for Russian skaters that do not include Billie Eilish!

 

[Bigbird]

This ban is trite and has no real bite, a waste of time and energy.

Russia will continue to do whatever it does. Those of us who follow history simply will not put much stock into their medalists but rather we'll simply admire those we admire.

That's all.

 

[LoopCombo]

So if Russia is banned from hosting international competitions, does that include the Rostelekom Grand Prix, or just Euros, Worlds, and Olympics? Because if so, then Russia would not get Grand Prix host spots — especially unfortunate for their ladies. Also, if Rostelekom can’t happen, can we expect to finally see a Cup of Korea? Finland again? (I have thought for a while that Grand Prix France should be moved to Korea.) But if Rostelekom can’t happen, that will be a loss all around and hopefully after the ban it will be back!

 

[tony]

So if Russia is banned from hosting international competitions, does that include the Rostelekom Grand Prix, or just Euros, Worlds, and Olympics? Because if so, then Russia would not get Grand Prix host spots — especially unfortunate for their ladies. Also, if Rostelekom can’t happen, can we expect to finally see a Cup of Korea? Finland again? (I have thought for a while that Grand Prix France should be moved to Korea.) But if Rostelekom can’t happen, that will be a loss all around and hopefully after the ban it will be back!

It's not going to matter RE: host picks for ladies most likely, as there are at least 9 skaters within the required seasons best/world rankings who would likely get initial spots anyways for a max of 18.

IF there is a switch of events, I'm sure it will be somewhere else in Europe to keep the 2/2/2 continental divide. Finland had a great crowd when they hosted, and Spain would probably be in contention even if they don't even have top 10 skaters now.

 

[tony]

This ban is trite and has no real bite, a waste of time and energy.

Russia will continue to do whatever it does. Those of us who follow history simply will not put much stock into their medalists but rather we'll simply admire those we admire.

That's all.

So are you not putting stock into any American medalists in general because of the wide-spread doping convictions here?

Or is it just that you categorize Russia to all equally be terrible people?

 

[Brenda_Bottems]

So are you not putting stock into any American medalists in general because of the wide-spread doping convictions here?

Or is it just that you categorize Russia to all equally be terrible people?

The second option.

-BB

 

[taz'smum]

The second option.

-BB

Wow, so my daughter is a terrible person, thanks for letting me know @Brenda_Bottems !

 

[Brenda_Bottems]

Wow, so my daughter is a terrible person, thanks for letting me know @Brenda_Bottems !

Whist I do not doubt your daughter (who I assume is Russian) is a lovely person,that should not distract us from the fact that Russians have repeatedly endorsed state-sponsored systemic doping.

-BB

 

[skatingguy]

Wow, so my daughter is a terrible person, thanks for letting me know @Brenda_Bottems !

Don't feed the trolls - they only come back for more.

 

[taz'smum]

Don't feed the trolls - they only come back for more.

Good point, the troll is on ignore now.

 

[Brenda_Bottems]

Don't feed the trolls - they only come back for more.

Mr. Bottems asserts I am far from a troll,my dear.

Cloying dramatics aside,the fact remains that while doping occurs in all countries including America,more than 30% of the global doping violations have been committed by Russia.

They are they ONLY country that has repeatedly endorsed state-sponsored systemic doping,despite many attempts in this thread to whitewash this crucial fact.

I wholeheartedly agree with the points @Bigbird made above.

-BB

 

[hanca]

They are they ONLY country that has repeatedly endorsed state-sponsored systemic doping,despite many attempts in this thread to whitewash this crucial fact.

Are they the only country? What about Germany? People were fed with testosterone and anabolic drugs without even knowing what they were taking!
There was also a state sponsored doping program in China. I am sure thee is plenty of other countries, but thee came immediately to my head.

 

[Brenda_Bottems]

Are they the only country? What about Germany? People were fed with testosterone and anabolic drugs without even knowing what they were taking!
There was also a state sponsored doping program in China. I am sure thee is plenty of other countries, but thee came immediately to my head.

Present tense.

-BB

 

[LoopCombo]

Lots of doping in the USA too, in many sports, including corporate-sponsored doping. But Nike, for example, doesn’t get banned as a sponsor — yet Russia does. Say what you will: I admire that the Russian state directly supports athletes. If we had this level of support in the US and UK in figure skating (can only speak for these countries as they’re the ones I’ve lived in), think of the talent that might be uncovered. When it is very difficult for anyone who isn’t wealthy to afford to skate, it obviously limits the talent pool considerably. I don’t think Zagitova could have happened in the US or UK — but because of talent scouting and state sponsorship in Russia, she achieved so much.

 

[Brenda_Bottems]

But Nike, for example, doesn’t get banned as a sponsor — yet Russia does.

Please tell me this is intentional satire. Admittedly I do not understand the millennial humor.

I don’t think Zagitova could have happened in the US

Thank heavens for that.

-BB

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Don't feed the trolls - they only come back for more.

@Brenda_Bottems is not a troll. (although there are several others.)

Its a sense of humor, and BB makes me laugh. Im amazed how many have zero, and I do mean Zero sense of humor.

 

[mjb52]

"USOC cover-up[edit]​

In 2003, Wade Exum, the United States Olympic Committee (USOC) director of drug control administration from 1991 to 2000, gave copies of documents to Sports Illustrated which revealed that some 100 American athletes who failed drug tests and should have been prevented from competing in the Olympics were nevertheless cleared to compete; among those athletes were Carl Lewis, Joe DeLoach and Floyd Heard.[9][10][11][12]

Lewis broke his silence on allegations that he was the beneficiary of a drugs cover-up, admitting he had failed tests for banned substances, but claiming he was just one of "hundreds" of American athletes who were allowed to escape bans, concealed by the USOC. Lewis has acknowledged that he failed three tests during the 1988 US Olympic trials, which under international rules at the time should have prevented him from competing in the 1988 Summer Olympics.[13] Former athletes and officials came out against the USOC cover-up. "For so many years I lived it. I knew this was going on, but there's absolutely nothing you can do as an athlete. You have to believe governing bodies are doing what they are supposed to do. And it is obvious they did not," said former American sprinter and 1984 Olympic champion, Evelyn Ashford.[14]"

yes, it's just wikipedia, but you get the point. feel free to follow the references 9-14 to their original sources if you would like. It's the double standards that bug me.

 

[skatingguy]

yes, it's just wikipedia, but you get the point. feel free to follow the references 9-14 to their original sources if you would like. It's the double standards that bug me.

It's not a double standard, it's that the standard has been raised since the late '80's. The US, Canada, Soviet Union, East Germany, and many others got away with doping through that time period because the doping controls were only loosely enforced, testing technologically was inadequate, and national sporting officials had too much control over results as can be seen in the info you posted. All of that being said, the doping program established by Russian sports officials following the 2010 Vancouver Olympics is the most extensive the world has ever seen. It covered every sport, and as Olympic hosts they took extensive measures to cover up for their athletes during the games. The issue continues because the records of which athletes were involved are available, but have not been turned over to WADA. The Russians are stalling because of the 8 year statute of limitations. If they can keep WADA from obtaining the information for 3 more years the results will stand no matter what is revealed in the future.

 

[Tinami Amori]

What ever history and past records are being stated, one fact remains constant - figure skaters do not benefit from doping. Even the informer Rodchenkov told the investigators - don't bother with figure skaters' probes, they were not in the plan.

 

[Bigbird]

What ever history and past records are being stated, one fact remains constant - figure skaters do not benefit from doping. Even the informer Rodchenkov told the investigators - don't bother with figure skaters' probes, they were not in the plan.

Tell that to Bobrova. If they can recover faster from intense training it is an advantage. But I don't think they're the only ones doping, its just they're the most brazen which is what rubs persons the wrong way not to mention the other political shenanigans alluded to by Zhulin. Does he have an inner voice? I digress. Anyways large and powerful feds will always do what they do. Cest la vie.