Royalty Thread #11: Putting the "Fun" in Dysfunctional

[mag]

Haven’t always agreed with Charles, but he has this right:

Prince Charles Talks About All His Children And Grandchildren In Moving Speech — ET Canada

Prince Charles cares about his family’s future and the future of families around the globe. Speaking on Wednesday at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, the 71-year-old Duke of Cornwall got passionate on the topic of global warming and climate change. “Everything I’ve tried to do and...

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ETA:
Here is the actual interview with Charles:

UK's Prince Charles worries humanity has left climate change action too late

Prince Charles, the heir to the British throne and lifelong environmentalist, sat down with CNN's Max Foster for an exclusive interview at the World Economic...

youtu.be

He really was a pioneer in the fight against climate change. I like that he is working to bring people together. He doesn’t really lecture, he looks for areas where he can make a difference, and then works to make that difference happen. He is really in the perfect position to bring people and ideas, capital and technology together. I can see how Kate has learned from Charles. She is applying a similar strategy to her work on the early years.

 

[MacMadame]

Without the backdrop of the exquisite pageantry & history of the British Royal Family, interest of the current magnitude in these two will diminish fairly rapidly.

I'd be surprised, actually. I think people will always be interested in them. Their story is fascinating and is only just beginning.

 

[Judy]

On a lighter note, I just found this video that is full of fabulous dresses and jewels:

The 50 Greatest Gowns Ever Worn by a Royal

Source : https://bit.ly/2Eke6c5 The royal family has no shortage of gorgeous gowns. From Princess Margaret's statement-making dresses to Meghan Markle's roya...

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Oh I miss Diana .

 

[AxelAnnie]

I can't believe you actually said that out loud put that in print. Decent people don't think famous people owe them anything. Oh wait...

Well, not quite. Let us not get confused with legal and moral.

The price for celebrity is a bit of your soul. If you think otherwise, you are wrong.

Ask any star and they will tell you. Fame and the trappings are part of the price for admission. I am friends with an OGM winner. We were out to dinner recently, and a kid came over and asked for his autograph. He nicely gave it.
He is clear that it is the fans who support him, and every now and then he gets interrupted. He also gets primo seating at restaurants that are fully booked. It is the ying and the yang.

Are stalkers ok? No, and they can be dealt with legally.

One of Harry's passions is the Invictus Games. Could he possibly support them without his fame and celebrity? Probably not.
You cannot have the fame and the power (to support your causes) without the price in privacy. Please note, in none of Harry's patronages is he anonymous. Harry and the institution he supports use his name and position to gain supporters. And when Harry is public (as opposed to anonymous) he is public. Too Bad, So Sad.

 

[AxelAnnie]

Haven’t always agreed with Charles, but he has this right:

Prince Charles Talks About All His Children And Grandchildren In Moving Speech — ET Canada

Prince Charles cares about his family’s future and the future of families around the globe. Speaking on Wednesday at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, the 71-year-old Duke of Cornwall got passionate on the topic of global warming and climate change. “Everything I’ve tried to do and...

apple.news

ETA:
Here is the actual interview with Charles:

UK's Prince Charles worries humanity has left climate change action too late

Prince Charles, the heir to the British throne and lifelong environmentalist, sat down with CNN's Max Foster for an exclusive interview at the World Economic...

youtu.be

He really was a pioneer in the fight against climate change. I like that he is working to bring people together. He doesn’t really lecture, he looks for areas where he can make a difference, and then works to make that difference happen. He is really in the perfect position to bring people and ideas, capital and technology together. I can see how Kate has learned from Charles. She is applying a similar strategy to her work on the early years.

Oh he is great all right..........except for that little bit of cheating on his wife, and causing her heartbreak which led to her death.

 

[mag]

Okay the article is complete piffle, but the comments are so West Coast Canadian!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/harry-meghan-vancouver-etiquette-1.5435691

As someone who does a lot of walking both on the mainland and the island, I can assure you that there would be no bowing or curtsies. Sheesh, “Is your dog friendly?” And “Good Morning” are the standard greeting around here.

 

[Peaches LaTour]

I'd be surprised, actually. I think people will always be interested in them. Their story is fascinating and is only just beginning.

There will always be some interest just like there was when David abdicated, however, it most likely won't be this intense.

 

[MacMadame]

There will always be some interest just like there was when David abdicated, however, it most likely won't be this intense.

But I think would have been true even if they hadn't taken this step.

 

[taf2002]

I agree that with fame & perks come the downsides. When they are out in public for some event they are fair game for photos & interruptions (even though the interruptions are rude when they're not "on stage".) When they can't even step out of their door without intrusion then people have gone too far. I despise the paparrazi & think they are human scum. For example when someone is sunbathing on private property then I think taking their photo with a long-angle lens should be illegal. I refuse to give tabloids a click. Obviously there are some here that think that anything goes.

 

[taf2002]

Double post: Thomas Markle is doing a series of interviews for some British station. He says the royals "owe" him. What a piece of work!

Thomas Markle says he will continue to accept money for appearances because Meghan and Harry 'owe' him: 'It's time to look after daddy'

"I'm going to defend myself, and I'm going to be paid for it," he said in a documentary, adding, "What I've been through I should be rewarded for."

news.yahoo.com

 

[becca]

I agree that with fame & perks come the downsides. When they are out in public for some event they are fair game for photos & interruptions (even though the interruptions are rude when they're not "on stage".) When they can't even step out of their door without intrusion then people have gone too far. I despise the paparrazi & think they are human scum. For example when someone is sunbathing on private property then I think taking their photo with a long-angle lens should be illegal. I refuse to give tabloids a click. Obviously there are some here that think that anything goes.

I do think there is a degree of privacy but a lot of celebrities call the press themselves and use it to sell different brands. There is also a difference between camping out a door step and taking photos in a home and at a park how did they even know she was there? I think Harry and Meghan should focus on that is there some kind of leak?

 

[Judy]

Okay the article is complete piffle, but the comments are so West Coast Canadian!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/harry-meghan-vancouver-etiquette-1.5435691

As someone who does a lot of walking both on the mainland and the island, I can assure you that there would be no bowing or curtsies. Sheesh, “Is your dog friendly?” And “Good Morning” are the standard greeting around here.

No kidding lol.

 

[mjb52]

He is simply awful. What a terrible way to speak about your child. He has really shown his true face here once and for all.

 

[missing]

Prince Charles walked past Mike Pence, completely snubbing him.

 

[MsZem]

Prince Charles walked past Mike Pence, completely snubbing him.

This is an event in memory of the liberation of Auschwitz. Can we not make it about US politics? Thanks.

Here are some of the royals in attendance:

Casa de S.M. el Rey on Twitter

“El Rey asiste en Jerusalén al “International Leaders' Forum” con ocasión del Día Internacional de Conmemoración del Holocausto y el 75 aniversario de la liberación de Auschwitz-Birkenau. https://t.co/oJxhnk38Gr”

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And the Prince of Wales meeting with two survivors, one from the Kindertransport and one who survived Auschwitz:

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[Judy]

He is simply awful. What a terrible way to speak about your child. He has really shown his true face here once and for all.

Sacrificing your child for money .. and grandchild. White trash and I never say that for anyone. Meghan’s mom is a class act.

 

[kittyjake5]

Unfortunately Meghan's father is more of a problem than the paparazzi. There really is no way of shutting him up
as long as certain news outlets are paying him.

 

[taf2002]

Both Thomas & his daughter complain about not being in Meghan's life & then trash her in the press. Do they think that will help their case? I wish the Sussex's would visit Thomas & let him see Archie & then tell him they will never see him again due to his public criticism. And I'll bet Meghan paid him back for her college expenses (if he really paid) a long time ago.

 

[mag]

Interesting and amusing article about the fickleness of celebrity:

Prince Harry is now a mere influencer — and that means feeding social media — Toronto Star

In this Saturday, May 19, 2018 file photo the newly married Duke and Duchess of Sussex, Meghan Markle and Prince Harry, leave Windsor Castle in a convertible car after their wedding in Windsor, England, to attend an evening reception at Frogmore House, hosted by the Prince of Wales.

apple.news

 

[Winnipeg]

Maybe Charles did not recognize Pence. He has been known to be a bit light in some areas.

 

[mella]

Haven’t always agreed with Charles, but he has this right:

Prince Charles Talks About All His Children And Grandchildren In Moving Speech — ET Canada

Prince Charles cares about his family’s future and the future of families around the globe. Speaking on Wednesday at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, the 71-year-old Duke of Cornwall got passionate on the topic of global warming and climate change. “Everything I’ve tried to do and...

apple.news

ETA:
Here is the actual interview with Charles:

UK's Prince Charles worries humanity has left climate change action too late

Prince Charles, the heir to the British throne and lifelong environmentalist, sat down with CNN's Max Foster for an exclusive interview at the World Economic...

youtu.be

He really was a pioneer in the fight against climate change. I like that he is working to bring people together. He doesn’t really lecture, he looks for areas where he can make a difference, and then works to make that difference happen. He is really in the perfect position to bring people and ideas, capital and technology together. I can see how Kate has learned from Charles. She is applying a similar strategy to her work on the early years.

Strangely I have seen no criticism of Prince Charles taking a private jet flight to Davos for a climate change event. Here or in the UK press that reported he travelled that way... perhaps the electric car to the venue cancelled it out...

Prince Charles has been speaking on the environment for far longer than Harry, Meghan and many others and that's commended but here is another classic example of the double standards the UK press has been applying over the last 2-3 years. Why is it not hypocritical for Prince Charles to travel by private jet to a climate change event of all places!? Particularly as the environment has been such a long term cause for him.

 

[starrynight]

To me all the talk of people who advocate for a solution to climate change turning on their lights, driving a car etc is just a distraction. Whataboutism is another term.

The point is not the world retuning to the Middle Ages. I think it’s about committing to working towards finding solutions to other energy sources which enable us to have all our cars, planes, air conditioners etc - but sustainably. Humans are never going to go backwards - but a new way forward needs to be planned out.

For example humans first invented a rudimentary airplane in 1903 - 66 years later we put a man on the moon.

Humans can do incredible things if we put our minds to it. I’m certain we can find a real solution to sustainable energy if we commit to it. And it won’t happen overnight - but we need to get the ball rolling.

 

[mag]

@mella, I am going to go with 1) He was travelling for work not pleasure, 2) He is 71 years old and does three times the work of Harry & Meghan combined, 4) He is the heir to the throne, and 5) this is not four flights in 12 days coupled with Harry’s mistaken comment that he flies commercial 99% of the time (someone checked, that is not even close to true.)

Harry and Meghan made a mistake taking those flights. If, like Meghan said in their documentary, they are happy to admit when they are wrong, they should have just admitted the error in judgement and moved on. The cover up is generally more talked about than the crime. (In case it is unclear, that is just an expression. It is not meant to be taken literally.)

 

[mella]

@starrynight I tend to agree re: the whataboutism. And it applies not just to royals who take on causes but to other celebrities and even non-celebrities alike.

@mag I'm not saying anyone should or should not take the flights... not my call to make or to judge. But for those who do judge - and the press (and many here) did, it seems disingenuous to suggest we/they should get to decide the parameters under which "exceptions" to accusations of hypocrisy should apply. All of your suggested exceptions are perfectly valid. Why should we or the press get to judge that Harry's stated reasons for his choices (safety and security of his family) are not valid? Or for that matter even decide that he should have to explain himself.

 

[taf2002]

To me all the talk of people who advocate for a solution to climate change turning on their lights, driving a car etc is just a distraction. Whataboutism is another term.

The point is not the world retuning to the Middle Ages. I think it’s about committing to working towards finding solutions to other energy sources which enable us to have all our cars, planes, air conditioners etc - but sustainably. Humans are never going to go backwards - but a new way forward needs to be planned out.

For example humans first invented a rudimentary airplane in 1903 - 66 years later we put a man on the moon.

Humans can do incredible things if we put our minds to it. I’m certain we can find a real solution to sustainable energy if we commit to it. And it won’t happen overnight - but we need to get the ball rolling.

Texas has a lot of those wind turbines since we have never-ending wind here, esp west Texas. Of course the problem with that is they make a lot of noise so they can't be near houses. But where they are available they do make a lot of electricity.

 

[overedge]

I do think there is a degree of privacy but a lot of celebrities call the press themselves and use it to sell different brands.

Some. Not all. IME this isn't common except for celebrities who need to be famous because they're not getting any other kind of "work" (e.g. Tori Spelling).

There is also a difference between camping out a door step and taking photos in a home and at a park how did they even know she was there? I think Harry and Meghan should focus on that is there some kind of leak?

How did they know she was there? Um, maybe the eleventy billion stories about the neighbourhood the house is in, and the overhead pictures of the house? Or that you can easily find the address and lots of photos of the house online?

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Plus they know she has dogs, and dogs have to be walked. So they stake out the nearest dog-friendly park. If she was outside to put the recyclables by the curb, there would be pictures of that too.

 

[kittyjake5]

^^^ lol Tori Spelling.

 

[mag]

The interesting thing about the photos of Meghan is that once again it appears like Harry just can’t get out of his own way. She looks calm, relaxed, and happy in the photos. Much more so than she has in a long time. She either didn’t realize the photos were being taken, or she wasn’t fussed by it, or she decided to make the best of it. The thing is, what I took from them was a big confirmation that they truly have made the right decision. I could see Harry going along for these walks, Archie eventually tottering along beside them. But instead of looking at this like a fresh start and a chance to reset the narrative, Harry went straight into lawyer/bully mode and has tried to threaten the press when, for the most part, the law is not on his side.

If they could have a Rick Scott Do Over, my suggestion would be for Harry and Meghan to first, walk to the end of their drive and meet the press. Say “hi” maybe take the dogs, take coffee. Talk to them, ask them how they are doing. Don’t ask for anything. Just let them click away and be pleasant. Second, next day, wearing the same clothes as the previous day, head out for a walk with the dogs, but leave Archie at home. Wash, rinse, repeat, over the next couple of weeks. Smile and wave when you drive out to go shopping. Pop out to check on any one lurking by the driveway. Wear the same clothes. After a couple of weeks of pleasantness during one of the driveway visits, talk about your concern for Archie. About how you don’t want him subjected to a ton of photos and cameras. Could there be some kind of agreement about leaving them alone when Archie is with them?

Basically the you get more flies with honey routine. I think they could both have the press eating out of their hands. They are “news” and they will also have projects that need promotion. This really could be a win win, but Harry is going to have to realize that he is owed nothing. He has got this far based on his fluke of birth. Now he needs to get out of his own way and move forward with his life.

 

[becca]

I think it’s what Kate and William do they’ve got an agreement with the press about when to take photos of their kids.

For example here is us visiting the hospital with kids, here is the baby leaving the hospital here press is a few photos of the kids with the baby it works well.

 

[mag]

I think it’s what Kate and William do they’ve got an agreement with the press about when to take photos of their kids.

For example here is us visiting the hospital with kids, here is the baby leaving the hospital here press is a few photos of the kids with the baby it works well.

Yep, and clearly there are days at polo when the press are given permission to photograph Kate and kids on the sidelines. They go to more than one or two matches a year yet we only ever see photos from one polo match and maybe one day at horse trials and there are usually cousins around to play with. It really is possible to make it work but there needs to be respect on both sides. I am afraid with H&M the respect is now gone from both sides.