Royalty Thread #10 -Archie Phase 2 - Bold and Bald Still

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"Threatened to sever ties"? If they don't sever ties with him, that'll be the worst PR move since...well...deciding to go on television and explain how you remained friends with a pedophile because you couldn't sweat or some BS.

Andrew is finished and needs to pull a Phillip and vanish. Remarry Sarah, give them some money, and threaten to never give them another cent if they even so much as step a toe out of line--even going so far as to rescind his titles and not letting him back in the country. (His great-uncle David would be proud, I'm sure.) I mean, I respect the Queen, but if she hasn't already realized it on her own, her second son is a lech and a walking disaster. She's not going to have decades to recover from the disaster of his decisions. She doesn't want her legacy completely destroyed by this, of all things.

I don't know how Beatrice and Eugenie ended up so normal and seemingly pleasant when their parents are dumpster fires. I feel so bad for them.
 
@centerstage01 I highly doubt he will have his title taken away, but you have to believe that Charles is absolutely fuming. He is touring the South Pacific (New Zealand right now i believe) doing his best to continue to bring awareness to the climate crisis. Having Andrew crashing all over the press is not the way things are done.

If the Queen does nothing, I suspect Andrew will be pushed completely out of sight when Charles becomes King. Hopefully Charles and William can talk some sense into the Queen and have Andrew “retired” from public life immediately. I feel for Beatrice, but her wedding is going to have to be a small private affair. Andrew is just way too toxic for people in the public eye to want to be seen partying at a wedding reception with him.
 
Did anyone hear Andrew's interview today? It was horrid.

From CNN
Prince Andrew interview is a PR nightmare and a national joke
He also acknowledged that Epstein "conducted himself in a manner unbecoming." "Unbecoming?" responded Emily Maitlis, the BBC's interviewer. "He was a sex offender." "Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm being polite," replied the honorable royal.
The prince's lack of humanity or perspective as he answered the questions put to him was astonishing.
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AxelAnnie said:
Did anyone hear Andrew's interview today? It was horrid.
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It aired on Sunday (scroll back 1 page).

ETA that here's a relevant thread in PI:

Jeffrey Epstein's death by apparent suicide, conspiracy theories/investigations, and legal aftermath

Isn't there some way that the Clintons could bring a civil lawsuit against Trump for Trump's criminal insinuations against them in this matter? I believe you cannot bring a law suit against a sitting President. PBS News Hour...
www.fsuniverse.net
 
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mag said:
@centerstage01 I highly doubt he will have his title taken away, but you have to believe that Charles is absolutely fuming.
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Yeah, Charles has a lot of room to talk. He was one scandal after another for years. Just because he has cleaned up his act in the last 10 years doesn't mean he was always an angel. I agree his "sins" are not as bad but I remember a lot of bad press about him for a long time.
 
mag said:
@centerstage01 I highly doubt he will have his title taken away, but you have to believe that Charles is absolutely fuming.
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I don't think you can be stripped of a title unless it's a case of treason, and as vile as Andrew appears to be, he has not done anything treasonous. His great uncle the Duke of Windsor did not have his titles stripped, he abdicated.

MacMadame said:
Former royal has a baby:

mainichi.jp

Former Princess Ayako gives birth to first child - The Mainichi

TOKYO (Kyodo) -- Former Princess Ayako, the youngest daughter of former Emperor Akihito's late cousin, gave birth to a boy on Sunday, the Imperial Hou
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More like this in the thread, please :)
 
mag said:
Andrew’s charities and sponsors are having second thoughts:

apple.news

Businesses and charities abandon Prince Andrew as fallout from 'car crash' interview continues — The Telegraph

The Duke of York was plunged into a deepening crisis today as a succession of charities and companies threatened to sever their ties with him.
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Just out of curiosity ... do Andrew's patronages have to choose between sticking with him and having no royal patron (if they cut ties with Andrew), or, can they cut ties with Andrew and seek a different royal patron? Also, who decides which royal makes various appearances and/or state visits ... do the groups, country, etc. invite a specific royal (allowing them to exclude Andrew) or do they simply ask the royal family and get one assigned?
 
I have always had a certain amount of sympathy for Charles. It seems he was born too late to have married to fulfill his role and then quietly have a mistress on the side - and born too soon to really be able to choose for himself and marry when and who he pleased. I hope he has a degree of happiness with Camilla and his sons and grandchildren.
 
mag said:
What scandals are you referring to? He went through a messy divorce where he and his wife were both cheating with other people. Other than that and maybe a few best left unsaid comments about architecture, I am trying to think of what even gets to 10% of what Andrew as done.
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I was talking mostly about the years before he married Diana but of course he was not nearly as bad as Andrew has been all his life.
 
taf2002 said:
I was talking mostly about the years before he married Diana but of course he was not nearly as bad as Andrew has been all his life.
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Okay, what did he do in the years prior to his mariage? I honestly don’t remember. I recall he had quite a few girl friends, but there is nothing wrong with that. Andrew is accused of having sex with a minor against her will. He may not have realized it was against her will, but that would have been because he chose not to notice and chose not to inquire about all the under age girls surrounding Epstein. To say that Charles “was nearly as bad” infers that there was some bad that could at least be compared to what Andrew has been accused of. As far as I know, there is no comparison and to suggest there is one is, IMHO, wrong.
 
mag said:
Okay, what did he do in the years prior to his mariage? I honestly don’t remember. I recall he had quite a few girl friends, but there is nothing wrong with that. Andrew is accused of having sex with a minor against her will. He may not have realized it was against her will, but that would have been because he chose not to notice and chose not to inquire about all the under age girls surrounding Epstein. To say that Charles “was nearly as bad” infers that there was some bad that could at least be compared to what Andrew has been accused of. As far as I know, there is no comparison and to suggest there is one is, IMHO, wrong.
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I said not nearly as bad. BTW did I pee in your Wheaties? You seem to challenge my posts quite often.
 
taf2002 said:
I said not nearly as bad. BTW did I pee in your Wheaties? You seem to challenge my posts quite often.
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Sorry, I did actually read the “not” I just didn’t type it. My problem is with what I see as a general inability to distinguish degrees which results in moral equivalencies that are preposterous. I realize now that you didn’t mean the way I interpreted it and I should have ask for clarification rather than jumping on you about it, again, sorry. I will try to explain what I am thinking. The point I was trying to make was that the suggestion that there is anything in Charles’ past that can be compared - even as in “not nearly as bad” - as what Andrew is accused of seems to me to diminish the seriousness of the accusations against Andrew. It seems to infer that there is something bad (not nearly as bad but still bad) that warrants a comparison. I just cannot think of anything Charles could have done that could be compared in any way to this. It ties the two of them together as though they are both on the same spectrum but Charles is just not as bad as Andrew. I would argue they are not even on the same spectrum.

I hope that makes sense, and, again, sorry I jumped on you.
 
I also hate how the British press is trying to tie in Harry and Meghan's interview with Prince Andrew's. Again, the two are not anywhere on the same level. A few remarks H/M made might have seemed ill-considered or naive, but Andrew showed such massive entitlement, such lack of empathy for the victims, and such preposterous excuses for his own behavior. The two are not remotely the same.
 
@mag, I just meant that Charles was not a model of rectitude for many years. I agree the degrees are widely different but he was not a person to admire either. I'm waiting for the Queen to condemn him. That probably won't happen which disappoints me. She was never shy about showing her disappointment in Charles.
 
The entire Prince Andrew mess is a car crash of the highest magnitude!! I really think he thought he could give an interview, answer a few questions and that would be that. How wrong was he. I only caught the highlights but my Mom watched it all and said immediately that he was lying throughout. I think he managed to sweet talk HM as he appears to be her favourite to allow him to do this but waited until Charles would be out of the country as he knew that Charles would try to shut him down. I guess he thought he could make it go away and when Charles returned show him what a big man he was in cleaning up the mess - well that backfired totally and utterly.

And it is getting worse and worse. The FBI and lawyers for the Epstein victims want to talk to him now more than ever, his patronages are dropping him or looking to drop him as they are losing funding and I suspect Eugenie and Beatrice are devastated and embarrassed and goodness only knows what HM is feeling or what Charles may have said to him - if Andrew is even answering the phone to him. I would love to be a fly on the wall when Charles gets back and gets hold of his brother!! How he is going to get out of this mess is anyone's guess but for a start he needs speak to the relevant parties about what he knows re Epstein and then resign from his patronages before causing them even more damage. Then retire from public life for a damn long time.
 
His "statement" was most definitely written by a pro. I did wonder when I saw all the PR people weighing in on the interview, how many of them were hoping to get a contract out of this - bit like chasing ambulances, because when someone or an organization (I guess in this case, both) is in this deep trouble, they will often pay pretty much anything for someone to fix it. And for the fixer, they have that cushion to fall back on, that it was so bad when they arrived there's only so much they can do.

At this point, I don't think Andrew can be saved, from a PR standpoint. He might be able to quietly go back to doing work that he really cares about, but not on the public stage (ie official positions and appearances), but I can't see anyone wanting to be directly associated with him.

Now, it's about saving the reputation of the royal family, and ensuring that his daughters survive this (from a reputation standpoint).
 
Jenny said:
Now, it's about saving the reputation of the royal family, and ensuring that his daughters survive this (from a reputation standpoint).
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Eugenie, or whoever is handling her Instagram, needs to disable comments ASAP.

I do feel for her and for Beatrice. It certainly appears as though others have suffered more from Andrew's actions, but this must be so difficult for the York princesses.
 
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