bardtoob
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Do you think it is right that a skater can rack up a huge score by not rotating? Zhou's sloppy, splat-filled, under-rotated free skate at Cup of China scored nearly the same as Max's almost-clean free skate there. Is that not a mark against the scoring system or against how it's implemented?
Isn't there concern about the team event too though? USA isn't guaranteed the bronze I don't think. Adam is a stronger international skater, so if he is needed there (I don't know if he is)- he is better to fill in.
No comment about Ross withdrawing but Angela Wang at 4CCWell, now we have an update. Ross and Ashley have withdrawn from 4CC. Grant and Angela will take their places.
No reason has yet been given.
... whether we try to coddle and protect them, or not
I can only say it so many times you're either going to look at the facts of you're not.
I can only say so many times that Nationals should have an extremely heavy weighting....
OR....
USFSA should be much more transparent about how little Nationals factors into the equation relative to the other events. Ideally, even, make it more transparent and/or formulaic. Simply saying "it's not only Nationals that we look at" is from a factual perspective a fairly weak explanation.
They chart wasn’t weighted. The chart can be seen as demanding never doing poorly in any competion ever.Umm...they had a freakin' chart showing the relative priorities of different types of competitions that would be considered. It was not whipped out of the air following the conclusion of the men's event.
They chart wasn’t weighted. The chart can be seen as demanding never doing poorly in any competion ever.
I've seen comments in the past few pages about how the USFSA should have given Ross a chance at his Paul Wylie moment. I consider that coddling, in a way. Or at least I was raised to consider it like that - my mother would have and told me to stop wallowing and do something else with my life.Some interesting and heartfelt reflections from you certainly. And I don't completely disagree with your points. OTOH, I personally do not see Ross being 'coddled and protected' in any way by anyone. I'm not sure why comments surrounding all aspects of what has happened would even be interpreted as being protective toward Ross.
How is Zhou suppose to get body of work if he is constantly dropped.
Well, now we have an update. Ross and Ashley have withdrawn from 4CC. Grant and Angela will take their places.
No reason has yet been given.
It’s avoiding a trap.Just plays like they are pouting
I've seen comments in the past few pages about how the USFSA should have given Ross a chance at his Paul Wylie moment. I consider that coddling, in a way. Or at least I was raised to consider it like that - my mother would have and told me to stop wallowing and do something else with my life.
(Then again my mom isn't usually that helpful after traumatic experiences...)
I think so too!Ah, everyone's life experiences are different. I have seen some references to Paul Wylie, but I don't see such references as 'coddling' toward Ross Miner. I have pointed out that inclusion of Ross on the Olympic team would have provided some great inspirational stories as part of the lead-up to the Olympics, as overcoming the odds and surmounting difficult obstacles is part of what the Olympics is all about, or at least advertised to be about in some of the legendary and inspirational stories we have seen. I was just looking at a few recent Olympic athlete sagas posted on Youtube. There are quite a number of amazing human stories.
I think USFS missed out on rewarding Ross with the opportunity to add his unique story to the Olympic archive, and I'm not afraid to say so. But of course, Ross will go on and continue to do remarkable things in his life in one way or another, I'm sure. We've already seen how much he is admired by everyone who knows him. I've never seen any active figure skating athletes wallowing. They simply don't have time for that kind of thing. If they do, they soon find themselves out of the sport I would imagine. If Ross is doing any wallowing right now, which I doubt, he certainly has the right to wallow a bit in the memory of how he felt coming off the ice on January 6. Honestly, I think the Skate Gods would allow him that much. Not that I would seriously characterize it as 'wallowing,' which sounds lazy and self-indulgent. These are not adjectives that come close to accurately describing Ross or his career in skating.
Just plays like they are pouting
If he is afraid Nationals was a fluke, then isn't he proving the committee they are right?
Not at all.Just plays like they are pouting
The prize money is so little! You have calculate the travel cost to Asia! Not worth it.I was hoping Miner would attend 4CC if just for the possible prize money.
Not talking about this season, I loved it allAgree with you for the most part @dinakt, except I'm not getting your thinking about Ross having 'old-fashioned music choices.' What's so old-fashioned about Ross' music choices, especially for this season, especially his sp? Also, I don't see his packaging as particularly 'old-fashioned' either. If that's the case, you are condemning a whole slew of men nationally and internationally.
The prize money is so little! You have calculate the travel cost to Asia! Not worth it.
That’s nice but the prize money is still paltry.Um, USFS would pay the travel cost for a competitor...
Umm...they had a freakin' chart showing the relative priorities of different types of competitions that would be considered. It was not whipped out of the air following the conclusion of the men's event.