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We have a suggestion for the Napa Wine Train, which encourages drinking wine but does not like the results that wine drinking normally produces.
Who were the whistleblowers? I assume they are white upper-middle-class older snobs, and because they were sitting in their ivory tower existence and could not, would not want to be disturbed and were jealous of the fun the Sistahs were having. Next time, let the whistle blowers rent the a whole car and isolate themselves from the rest of the world.
Ching, ching, let the cash register ring!
Personally I think if the group was too cheap to buy a private dining car in the first place, they don't have room to complain when asked to rein in their behavior in the public dining cars. JMHO
I appreciate your POV on this issue AG, though I'm surprised that you don't think racism was involved at all.
However, the law suit happiness in America never ceases to amaze.
Can someone please discriminate against me because I'm Jewish? I'd gladly suck it up if I could receive 1/11th of $5 million dollars, thank you very much.
They have a photo of the Facebook post before it was deleted.
Here come the letters to the editor:
A humble suggestion for Wine Train - http://napavalleyregister.com/news/...cle_b37782e7-76ce-52bb-a159-87de4e4b7256.html
Who complained on Wine Train? - http://napavalleyregister.com/news/...cle_8f616c6b-1c9e-5fb9-8c99-16c9c92ca9d3.html
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Waiting for Prancer to explain why this wasn't a frivolous lawsuit, and how McDonald's engaged in very reckless conduct that wasn't well reported.I am sure everyone has heard of the infamous McDonald case. It wasn't racism related, but it was so easy for someone to sue the business for not warning him that the coffee was hot- it was common sense but he won the case. To top it all, when I asked my law professor about it, he sided with the idiot who sued, saying that the business should have warned him.
It was a woman, she suffered horrible burns, and IIRC there were issues with the temperature of McDonald's coffee and quite a few people had suffered burns from it. There's a documentary called Hot Coffee with dealt with this and a number of other lawsuits.However, this (USA) is a lawsuit/sue- happy culture. I am sure everyone has heard of the infamous McDonald case. It wasn't racism related, but it was so easy for someone to sue the business for not warning him that the coffee was hot- it was common sense but he won the case. To top it all, when I asked my law professor about it, he sided with the idiot who sued, saying that the business should have warned him.
It was a woman, she suffered horrible burns, and IIRC there were issues with the temperature of McDonald's coffee and quite a few people had suffered burns from it. There's a documentary called Hot Coffee with dealt with this and a number of other lawsuits.
I have an equal opportunity dislike for noisy people on trains. A recent experience involved a bunch of teenagers on their way, I believe, to a Chris Brown concert. It was rough. Luckily, I was able to just move away from the group without much trouble.
On February 27, 1992, Stella Liebeck, a 79-year-old woman from Albuquerque, New Mexico, ordered a 49-cent cup of coffee from the drive-through window of a local McDonald's restaurant located at 5001 Gibson Boulevard Southeast. Liebeck was in the passenger's seat of her grandson's 1989 Ford Probe, which did not have cup holders, and her grandson Chris parked the car so that Liebeck could add cream and sugar to her coffee. Liebeck placed the coffee cup between her knees and pulled the far side of the lid toward her to remove it. In the process, she spilled the entire cup of coffee on her lap.[9] Liebeck was wearing cotton sweatpants; they absorbed the coffee and held it against her skin, scalding her thighs, buttocks, and groin.[10]
For the 100th time, it seems.Waiting for Prancer to explain why this wasn't a frivolous lawsuit, and how McDonald's engaged in very reckless conduct that wasn't well reported.
Um...........sometimes the businesses need to make the coffee at the temperature they are legally required to make it & not at a much higher temperature so that it stays fresh longer & saves them a few cents per pot. Especially when several instances have been pointed out to them & they clearly disregarded the regulations. Now they have "Watch out, it's hot" labels on the cups, but really "Watch out for McDonald's penny pinching management" would be a better warning because that's what caused the problem time and time again.Um...........sometimes you just have to be a little more careful than that.
Or at least the sentence before the bolded one.Didn't you even read your own Wikipedia post?
Thank you. I read the information a little differently and visioned her grandson(I think) out of the car and putting the cream and sugar in for her, and then driving off..Or at least the sentence before the bolded one.![]()
But from the account provided by the plaintiffs, the train company's conduct was in accordance with their published, stated policies.
Back in the day, I used to travel on long-distance trains a fair bit, so I know the seating arrangements for dining used by the Napa wine train are industry standard. Trains are not restaurants--there are real space and time constraints, so there are different protocols specific to trains. Nothing of what I've read indicates that the train company deviated from typical train policies. The plaintiffs have said this is the first time they chose to get together on a train, so maybe they were expecting a typical restaurant experience. But the train's policies were clearly published, and they didn't follow them. To me, that's pretty cut and dry.
AxelAnnie said:His answer: Absolutely not! No way! Reason being....no one in
their right mind, would ask a group of black women (men or children) to get out of a public location in this day and age, in this state, in that town, without having all their ducks in a row. If anything, they would bend the other way.
Well, the CEO doesn't share your brother's view. He said the action was wrong and should not have happened - basically admitting that racism was involved to some extent (not to say he actually believes it) and that some people involved in the situation were not in their right mind. Plus, he admitted that the Facebook post which was deleted did not depict that situation accurately. As such, it was not written by an employee is his or her right mind.
Even if the company's action can be defended by policies and protocols, it was still very stupid to kick the women off the train.
I would guess that some of wine train employees' heads are rolling today.
Also, the women's lawyer does not agree with your brother and I very much doubt that your brother is "always correct. Especially given that he's a lawyer and lawyers specialize in making the incorrect seem correct.
Artistic Skaters said:They are all too happy to accept large parties without sufficient guidelines or plans in place for handling them. Reserving the right to reseat or remove anyone making a disturbance is clearly not enough if they have to remove or threaten expulsion from the train on a regular basis.
I don't usually like loud social situations (except for concerts) & probably wouldn't have wanted to sit next to this group on the train.
A fellow passenger on Aug. 22 told WPTV that she watched in disbelief as staff harassed a group of people who were merely drinking wine and laughing ... given the fact that the other, non-black guests were behaving in the same way and not removed, I can only conclude that it was discrimination.
But Johnson has said the group will hold firm in its lawsuit until race is acknowledged as a factor.
A likely key to the group’s case is whether other parties have been treated similarly. The company says that tour groups need to be removed about once per month.
But other former customers have uploaded to Facebook and Yelp evidence of previous, non-black groups heartily enjoying themselves on the train (without expulsion). One Latina grad student came forward to say she felt her group had received similar treatment, although they were allowed to complete their tour.
In a statement, Sam Singer, a spokesman for the Napa Valley Wine Train, said the company "takes the allegations of discrimination very seriously, and is conducting its own investigation. The company has hired former FBI agent Rick Smith to lead that probe and asked anyone with information to contact him at (415) 391-0500.
"After the investigation has been conducted we will have the appropriate response to the complaint that is being filed seeking $11 million in damages," he said.
He said the company was sold on Sept. 15 and "the new owner is honored to continue to improve and build upon the Napa Valley Wine Train experience."
On Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Thelton Henderson denied the motion for a more definitive statement, granted some but not all motions to dismiss, and granted claims to strike some defendants.
The book club's attorney, Waukeen McCoy, greeted the order as a win, saying the judge saw "no basis to dismiss the claim under Title VI for racial discrimination or the disability claim under the Americans with Disabilities Act."
It looks like the lawsuit is getting underway this spring. One of the recent news articles says "two of the women even lost their jobs". I am interested in reading more about this (but could find no more info) since I question why they would have lost their jobs due to a weekend trip on a train when there were no arrests involved. Too stressed to go to work, asked to resign because of press disturbances outside their work location or what?Henderson said Johnson et al. acknowledged they erred in stating Title VI claims based on gender and age, asked the court to strike the words or allow it to amend the complaint. He granted the motion to strike, while partly dismissing the claims with leave to amend. The Wine Train failed, however, to have the court dismiss claims that it benefits from federal funding for flood control.
The end of the story -
*** Book club members settle suit over ejection from Napa wine train :
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Book-club-members-kicked-off-Napa-wine-train-7255962.php
So apparently the message the women wanted to get across to other businesses is to reach a confidential settlement for an undisclosed sum, not to get the message out about discrimination (???)![]()