Spun Silver
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That's hilarious. Once I went to a movie in Times Square where the audience was mostly black and it was just like that. It was fun!
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I am utterly astounded that people are talking about this in racial tones. . Race or ethnicity or gender.... None give you license to be excused for being rude or obnoxious.
As an African American, I agree we are loud at times. My mom complains about my loudness all the time. I'm just wondering why a staffer did not go up to the ladies and let them know they're have been some complaints and the volume. Were they scared of 12 older black women? Probably. 12 educated black women are profiled as scary to many non minorities. I say find out the person in charge who decided to handle the situation this way and post information about them. I know this sound horrible, but I think folks think to atone for their racist behavior. Shame them.
In regards to talking at movie theater by blacks. Some blacks do it but not all. I for one hate it and I tell the theater manager about ALL those who speak during movies. Also, my mom and I saw the Melissa McCartney movie "Spy" a few weeks ago. During the matinee, there were lots of over 60 white ladies who talked non stop until the actual movie started. Someone hushed them and they had some choice words for that person.
That's the tricky part though, isn't it? Of course cultural differences exist, but as soon as you actually acknowledge them, any perspective inherently runs the risk of appearing racist.there are likely cultural differences ... though maybe it is not really driven by race exactly
if only there had been a person with a smart phone on board
Eh, there are likely cultural differences in some cases though maybe it is not really driven by race exactly. I have a NJ wing of the family and when they visit us Midwesterners, we can barely stand it. There are times we are literally dumbstruck because we don't know what to do with their loudness. My nieces laughs - oy. Could break glass.
Well first if all society does. Second of all I don't I was not there. But the address below might be helpful for you.But who gets to decide what constitutes rude or obnoxious? Why are your views on what is rude or obnoxious the right ones and the ones other people should follow?
Well first if all society does.
I have now read several articles about this & agree with the train company they were 100% wrong in their handling of the problem. It does not seem like they've done a very good job identifying their customer base & scheduling accommodations accordingly.If the train co. says this happens all the time and it boots people every month (presumably of various ethnicities), how does that affect this incident?
Yes, society does. But which parts of society? All of it?
Most social rules are based upon white, European norms. Societies and cultures that are quieter or louder than that will stand out, and are often criticized, but, really, is what they are doing truly rude? Or just outside of the norms that were imposed upon them by people not of their culture?
The company explicitly states that traditional rail seating is used (meaning others not from your party can be seated at your table.) That is common practice for train dining cars. They also state if a party is willing to pay for an upgrade, they can have reserved seating. And evening dining is also not shared dining (but costs more). Apparently the book club didn't want to pay for those upgrades (they chose a daytime dining experience).It should also be noted that, despite booking as a group and requesting seating together, they were sat separately in the car among other passengers; the staff would not move them together when it was requested.
http://napavalleyregister.com/news/...cle_324d30f5-129b-534e-9bb8-f3e79c8d3e8b.htmlIn the rearmost of six Pullman cars, four women sat at each of two tables on either side of the aisle, while three others occupied seats just ahead, she said.
“I’m an author so I like to chronicle things on social media,” said Johnson. “We did a selfie video like, 'Hey, we’re on the train, choo choo!’ and put it on Periscope (a streaming video service) and Facebook. We were really excited about the experience.”
After several miles of “chitchatting” among the club members, Johnson said, the train’s maître d’hotel told the group, “Your noise level is a little loud, and you have to tone it down so we don’t make others uncomfortable."
“We thought the purpose of the Wine Train was to have a good time and enjoy being with a large group. No one told us of any noise ordinance. If you get a group of 11 women talking and laughing, it’s going to be loud,” Johnson said.
Later, the maître d’hotel came by a second time, warning the women they would be ordered off the train if they didn’t quiet down, Johnson said.
“She said people were complaining and I said, ‘Who’s complaining?’ And she said, ‘Well, people’s faces are uncomfortable,'” said Johnson. “At that point, one passenger nearby said, 'Well, this is not a bar.' We reacted, 'Yes, it is a bar, a bar on wheels.'"
II. We Reserve the Right to Relocate Guests Making Disturbances
But the "sole opinion" is apparently based on very subjective complaining by one customer at a time & there seems to be no standard by the company. They could limit trips to smaller groups, they could have some cordially written guidelines for groups, etc. There is a lack of professionalism by the staff & management if they cannot anticipate some of these problems & work them out in advance.For the comfort and safety of all our guests, we reserve the right to relocate or remove anyone that, in our sole opinion, is creating a disturbance within any of the Napa Valley Wine Train’s offerings.
But if there’s no out-of-court resolution, McCoy said he would sue under state laws prohibiting businesses from discriminating against customers based on race.
The law, the Unruh Civil Rights Act, allows for punitive damages to deter future abuses if it can be proven the business acted in a “malicious and oppressive way,” McCoy said.
From the above link.McCoy said an offer by Wine Train officials to host the women on another trip in a 50-seat private car was a “slap in the face” to his clients, who were humiliated by the incident.
He said the women want train employees to undergo sensitivity and diversity training so another group does not have the same experience. They also want financial compensation that was greater than the approximately $6,000-package offered by the train, McCoy said.