Missing ladies at the Olympics since 1984

olympic

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I played a game with numbers in Nagano: I supposed that the wonky 3F in Kwan’s LP dropped her mark to 5.7 on those 5 judges’ cards. I supposed she did a well executed flip and gave her straight 5.8s. It beats Tara. I guess she didn’t need a more complicated program. She just needed to skate with more freedom
 

bardtoob

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A bit harsh commentating from Toller but true: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42HsioxBGK8

I liked what Linda was going for.

To be honest, I think most of the criticism of Linda would have evaporated if she had had a better layback spin (or really had a layback spin instead of sideways leaning spin). Where was Evelyn Kramer, Cecilia Colledge, et al. back then!?!

As for Toller, his style does not hold up well today despite all the gushing at the time from Uncle Dick.

Sabre Dance in blue overalls with a red shirt now just looks like skating to Pee Wee's Big Adventure as Super Mario.

 
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essence_of_soy

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I hate to pick to pick on Linda again, but I have to disagree here too, LOL. Her short & small strokings on the ice at those World Pro events always bothered me. I'm sure it was due to years of skating on small ice for Disney, but Dorothy skated on small ice for decades too. Most of Linda's pro programs didn't do much for me, and she always wore flower on one side of her head. Again it also didn't help Linda that she directly competed as a pro against the likes of Dorothy Hamill, Denise Biellman and even Roz Sumners, who had more of an outgoing personality. I don't know if Linda ever won any of those pro competitions. She might have won one but never at Landover though. She didn't challenge herself technically as a pro either (usual jump content was split falling leaf-2t, 2s, 2f), but I did witness her warm up a 3toe during the technical portion at one of those Landover competitions; Of course she doubled it in the actual performance.

A bit harsh commentating from Toller but true: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42HsioxBGK8

I have to admit that watching Linda at Lake Placid got me hooked on figure skating. Something about her back then totally captivated me. I have vague memory of watching Dorothy on TV and even saw her live in Ice Capade (in a yellow sleeveless dress bumping hips with the chorus boys!), but Dorothy back then didn't do anything for me like Linda did. However, when I now watch old utube videos of Linda's skating, I have no clue as to why she captivated me back then.

A shame you feel this way.

To me, Linda's technical programs to The King and I, The Trolley Song, and The Man With The Golden Arm, were all smart, outgoing and very sophisticated.

For as many years as I watched Linda compete at the World Pro in Landover, she always included a huge double axel in the technical portion of the event. Hamill, Sumners and Fratianne each had their own style, and the competition was better for it, IMO.
 

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I played a game with numbers in Nagano: I supposed that the wonky 3F in Kwan’s LP dropped her mark to 5.7 on those 5 judges’ cards. I supposed she did a well executed flip and gave her straight 5.8s. It beats Tara. I guess she didn’t need a more complicated program. She just needed to skate with more freedom

Sadly, no coach and a fall on the triple flip probably cost Michelle gold in Salt Lake City as well.
 

essence_of_soy

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You have to wonder if Frau Mueller only owned one LP. My guess, is that it was probably The Best of Jerry Herman.

She loved her show tunes!
 
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olympic

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Sadly, no coach and a fall on the triple flip probably cost Michelle gold in Salt Lake City as well.

Oh Definitely. More than Nagano, the 2002 Olympic title was hers. The close marks w/ the fall on the 3F show that if she had just managed her Nationals performance without trying to up the tech ante, she would have won. In fact, her nationals performance would have won at Nagano in 1998 too. Maybe FC had a point :slinkaway

Back on topic from this massive thread drift (for which I'm also responsible), she was a missing lady in 2006, and I wonder how a performance to the Bells of Moscow in LP w. Tat consultations on raising levels in the new IJS system would have played out for Kwan vis a vis Arakawa, Cohen, and Slutskaya.
 

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Perhaps, but she has broken a toe on her left foot that took her out of the GPF and really bothered her on the toe loop (which is why they stayed as her last element because it was reportedly painful at that time to so and she wouldnt have the pain carrying through the rest of the program)

But yet in Nagano she switched back from 3flip in the SP to 3toe...hmmm


Well the 2 3loops WERE already enough at Nationals, right before the Olympics. Kwan won the free skate there by a landslide.

In Philadelphia, Lipinski had 'wonky' landings on her 3f and the 3s in her closing 3t..3s series and significantly underrotated the 2nd 3l in her 3l3l combo with a bobble. She skated MUCH better in Nagano.

Also, Nagano FS took place on a larger rink than Philadelphia, I believe. This highlighted Lipinski's speed. Lipinski also made a slight change to her pattern (before her 2nd 3z) and a few small choreographic changes that had an impact.
 

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In Philadelphia, Lipinski had 'wonky' landings on her 3f and the 3s in her closing 3t..3s series and significantly underrotated the 2nd 3l in her 3l3l combo with a bobble. She skated MUCH better in Nagano.

Alas in Nagano the wonky landings went to Kwan.
 

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Also remember Lipinski was 4th place after the short at Nationals, a short program in which Kwan was already getting showered with 6.0's. Tara skated before Michelle in the long, and I'm sure that judging panel wanted/expected the same greatness out of Michelle in the long to head into the Olympics. Giving Tara first in the long wasn't going to give her the overall win anyways. While she was the Champions Series Final champion, she wasn't exactly glowing in the regular season up to that point (lost to Kwan and Hubert).

And another reason why I like IJS better- none of this whole math game of controlling your own destiny or not controlling your destiny because of other skaters and their own performances, and skate order sometimes being so crucial.
 

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And another reason why I like IJS better- none of this whole math game of controlling your own destiny or not controlling your destiny because of other skaters and their own performances, and skate order sometimes being so crucial.

Or ordinal flip flops. :p

Skate order is still kind influential to PCS and even GOEs, but of course in theory it doesn't have to be.
 

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