ISU Grand Prix Assignments 2017/18 Olympic season

I wonder if the USFS will try to get an American skater into these events that Gracie pulled out of? Like how C/L miraculously replaced K/O at COC. I know the federation chooses, but I would love to see Wang get a spot or perhaps give Bradie or Hicks a 2nd one? I know Glenn is high on the list, but her recent outings haven't been great. I think both Angela and Bradie have shown they are in good shape and deserve a chance. Besides, none of them are real threats to the top skaters anyway.
 
Cleo1782 said:
I think both Angela and Bradie have shown they are in good shape and deserve a chance.
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Unfortunately, Angela Wang is not eligible to be selected because she doesn't have a ISU SB score from last year due to having withdrawn from her 2017 2016 fall assignments. :( I wish ISU SB top scores from THIS year's Challengers would count for GP alternate selection... I agree that both Bradie Tennell (Lombardia) and Angela (Finlandia) have demonstrated they are worthy.
 
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Stephanie said:
Glenn's coach (Peter Cain) is already going to China with Cain & Leduc so this could work in her favor.
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Very true. I heard part of the reason C/L even got COC because they already had the plane tickets for K/O and it was just cheaper to send an American pair (which really won't be competitive for a top spot). That sounds a bit ridiculous to me, but they'd be saving money going with Glenn and she is not going to be competitive either with the top skaters.
 
Sylvia said:
Unfortunately, Angela Wang is not eligible to be selected because she doesn't have a ISU SB score from last year due to having withdrawn from her 2017 fall assignments. :( I wish ISU SB top scores from THIS year's Challengers would count for GP alternate selection... I agree that both Bradie Tennell (Lombardia) and Angela (Finlandia) have demonstrated they are worthy.
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Oh I didn't realize that. She was so good at Finlandia. That's too bad. I had pretty much written her off, but she really was so good I hope she gets another Challenger and skates well at Nationals. She had so much potential as a junior.
 
Sylvia said:
Unfortunately, Angela Wang is not eligible to be selected because she doesn't have a ISU SB score from last year due to having withdrawn from her 2017 fall assignments. :( I wish ISU SB top scores from THIS year's Challengers would count for GP alternate selection... I agree that both Bradie Tennell (Lombardia) and Angela (Finlandia) have demonstrated they are worthy.
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How can this be true when last year Ruest/ Wolfe were assigned to Rostelecom Cup without a competition from the previous season? Clearly they were picked as replacements because of their score at their CS event.
 
IIRC, winners of the current season's Challenger Series events go to the bottom of the alternates list if they are not already on the list. That gives winners of the Pairs event a good shot at selection, but is unlikely to help singles skaters in the same position.

Cue @kwanfan1818.
 
Vagabond said:
IIRC, winners of the current season's Challenger Series events go to the bottom of the alternates list if they are not already on the list. That gives winners of the Pairs event a good shot at selection, but is unlikely to help singles skaters in the same position.

Cue @kwanfan1818.
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Ruest/Wolfe didn't win their challenger series event last year before getting assigned... IN FACT, they did not even medal!

Edit: Not saying they didn't deserve an assignment, just saying that clearly their score counted put them on the alternate's list.. somehow.
 
I looked up last year's GP assignments thread in the Archives. People were speculating that Ruest/Wolfe's Challenger score may have been "intermingled" with the ISU SB total scores from the season before and that's why they were eligible to be selected. It helped that quite a few alternate spots opened up for pairs last year and that the pool is much smaller than for singles.
 
pairskatingfan said:
How can this be true when last year Ruest/ Wolfe were assigned to Rostelecom Cup without a competition from the previous season? Clearly they were picked as replacements because of their score at their CS event.
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I think they had gotten so far down the replacements list with pairs at that point that the rulebook had to be thrown out in order to get full fields. Plus, Ruest/Wolfe were replacing MT/M so they were probably trying to keep the entry Canadian. Rememeber that Duskova/Bidar and Alexandrovskaya/Windsor were in juniors, and many US teams were injured, along with Sui/Han and Stolbova/Klimov.....and US teams like Cain/Leduc and Stellato/Bartholomay were a little too new to be considered. As it turned out, the only US pairs on the GP last season were Kayne/O'Shea, Denney/Frazier, Castelli/Tran, and Pfund/Santillan. Every pair that had finished 2016 Worlds who wasn't injured or pulled by their fed (French team?) was given 2 events already, and the only team from Euros with a decent score to not get a GP was Danilova/Kamianchuk, who competed at Warsaw Cup a little over a week later.

I think its neat that they have all the rules written out, which seem to usually apply, but I'm glad there are unwritten "common sense rules" that come into play when everyone else is broken.
 
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CoC already has three Ladies each from China, Russia, and Japan. If they go by the list, Tennell and Schott are the ones for whom it wouldn't be back-to-back Regina to Beijing. Hicks and Craine have SC.

I'm not sure how long it takes to turn around a rush visa to China.
 
Marco said:
I forget - who are contenders for the 3rd Japanese men's spot behind Hanyu and Uno?
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seabm7 said:
Mura, Murakami?
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Dobre said:
Also Kazuki Tomono has the highest Season's Best score at the moment. He finished above Mura at the U.S. Classic and scored 225.30. He doesn't have any GP spots.

Hiroaki Sato has the host spot at NHK.
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I'd say Keiji Tanaka too after his placing at Japanese Nationals last year, although the recent withdrawal from Rostelecom isn't promising.
 
haribobo said:
I think they had gotten so far down the replacements list with pairs at that point that the rulebook had to be thrown out in order to get full fields. Plus, Ruest/Wolfe were replacing MT/M so they were probably trying to keep the entry Canadian. Rememeber that Duskova/Bidar and Alexandrovskaya/Windsor were in juniors, and many US teams were injured, along with Sui/Han and Stolbova/Klimov.....and US teams like Cain/Leduc and Stellato/Bartholomay were a little too new to be considered. As it turned out, the only US pairs on the GP last season were Kayne/O'Shea, Denney/Frazier, Castelli/Tran, and Pfund/Santillan. Every pair that had finished 2016 Worlds who wasn't injured or pulled by their fed (French team?) was given 2 events already, and the only team from Euros with a decent score to not get a GP was Danilova/Kamianchuk, who competed at Warsaw Cup a little over a week later.

I think its neat that they have all the rules written out, which seem to usually apply, but I'm glad there are unwritten "common sense rules" that come into play when everyone else is broken.
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Paradis/Ouellette in 2014 picked up a spot at Skate America based on just their fifth-place score at Nebelhorn -- before that season (where they were also given a host spot at Skate Canada), they hadn't competed at any international more prestigious than Cup of Nice, had never medaled nationally at junior or senior, and the dance field is typically larger than pairs so there shouldn't have been considerable desperation on USFSA's part. Further, they were the only Gadbois team invited, and the team they replaced was the Reeds, so it was no added convenience for either the organizers or the team's federation. So I think the ISU has generally taken a loose approach to the "must win a Challenger to even rate as a possible sub" rule.
 
The ISU is useless when it comes to updating its own documentation and only puts in its dentures to enforce its rules if it costs them $$$ and/or lawyers and/or releases are involved.
 
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