I love the idea of a green unitard for her number. However it's an odd shade of green/chartreuse and the crotch area just looks weird.
And to think she had a crotch issue with another costume in the past. One should learn
I love the idea of a green unitard for her number. However it's an odd shade of green/chartreuse and the crotch area just looks weird.
It is not an "alternative fact," because this is not a biography - it is a movie - it is BASED on a life. The character Tonya in the movie is played that way. It is not meant to be a historical biopic - IT IS ONLY A MOVIE.
The statements that I've seen from the cast have made me cringe at times because I think they overstate things in Tonya's favour, and understate other factors.Then if it's not really a biopic, and if they are taking so many liberties with what actually happened in her life and surrounding "The Incident," then the cast/crew should stop making statements about the REAL Tonya being a victim, etc. when they're not portraying what actually really happened.
what?It is not an "alternative fact," because this is not a biography - it is a movie - it is BASED on a life. The character Tonya in the movie is played that way. It is not meant to be a historical biopic - IT IS ONLY A MOVIE.
Then if it's not really a biopic, and if they are taking so many liberties with what actually happened in her life and surrounding "The Incident," then the cast/crew should stop making statements about the REAL Tonya being a victim, etc. when they're not portraying what actually really happened.
I think this is important because I get tired of people saying "all she did was cover up afterward" because that's all she pled to. That's not how plea deals work. The defendant pleads to a lesser charge so that they avoid a possibly harsher sentence and the prosecution gets a sure thing instead of having the expense and capriciousness of a trial.After the hearing, Deputy Dist. Atty. Norm Frink said there was "substantial evidence to support Ms. Harding's involvement prior to the assault. She's not going to plead guilty to it, but I think the facts speak for themselves," he said. The prosecution accepted the plea agreement because of the potentially large cost of a trial, he said."
http://articles.latimes.com/1994-03-17/news/mn-35216_1_figure-skating-team
I agree.Will non-skating fans really care though? There already seems to be enough backlash about Tonya being at the Golden Globes. I think people will forget in a few months, and be on to the next thing.
Off-topic but I wonder how much of this USFS knew at the time. It seems like Team Tara held that info back for quite some time after she retired. I don't remember it being public until after her surgeries. That doesn't mean they didn't tell USFS though.Aren't we forgetting something? Like severe hip injuries?
Tonya Harding said in the interview broadcast earlier this month that she would rather have spent time in jail than have been banned for life from figure skating. The movie is told mostly from her and her ex-husband's points of view. Some victims of abuse have their own "truth," which may not correspond to the facts.Any other scene and I would agree with you but for me this rewriting of history is important because it’s central to the whole artistic concept of the movie. In real life, Tonya willingly agreed to a plea in order to avoid jail time. In the movie she is tricked, and starts screaming that she’d rather go to prison than be banned. It’s like doing a movie about the civil war where Lincoln agrees that individual states can determine if they continue slavery or not. It’s not a plot simplification, it’s an alternative fact made in order to support a flimsy theory ie. Tonya as victim.
Because the person who started the Kwan thread is a troll. PM me if you need the 411.People complain about movies they don’t like all the time. Doesn’t everyone have at least one movie they hated that none the less got awards and aclaim. I guess I don’t get why people mind that I found it poorly written and overrated. If Kwan can have an FSU thread about being overrated, why can’t I, Tonya?
The film begins with this title: "The events of this film are based on irony free, wildly contradictory, and totally true interviews." If you feel that that scene was a third-party, objective retelling of how it actually went down, then,. clearly, you are not part of the film's target audience.I think it's one thing to get her side of the story and her perception of how things occurred, but it's another to see a scene like that filmed in a way that makes it look like a third party, objective retelling of how it actually went down.
People complain about movies they don’t like all the time. Doesn’t everyone have at least one movie they hated that none the less got awards and aclaim. I guess I don’t get why people mind that I found it poorly written and overrated. If Kwan can have an FSU thread about being overrated, why can’t I, Tonya?
*Ahem*Saying it in a disclaimer is one thing but the way the film is shot and how they decided to shoot it and how it portrayed it says another thing completely. Especially with what the actors have said about being team Tonya. They certainly believe that’s how it went down. Robbie even said she didn’t think it mattered what happened with the incident because Tonya’s story and how she was treated was more interesting. They can say that all they want (probably to avoid legal liability) but it’s clear what stance the film took.
VIETgrlTerifa said:Here is a cycle of abuse graphic for people who need to understand why it's difficult for victims of abuse to escape when some outsiders think all it takes is for the victim to make a decision and leave:
http://domesticviolence.org/cycle-of-violence/
http://www.domesticviolenceroundtable.org/domestic-violence-cycle.html
The above links also talk about why victims don't always leave or leave right away. This problem would not be so widespread if it was just that easy. Even the strongest, most respected people can be victims of this sort of abuse.
It's when there's a lack of a healthy balance and/or some sort of abuse where I think there are problems for the person later on in life when trying to adjust to life afterwards. When I say abuse, I'm mostly thinking about emotional dependency on the structure that may prevent people from learning to be flexible and adaptable and overwhelming dominating adult figures making every decision for you and determining your self-worth. I do think there's something to be said about teaching people social skills when they are younger. Social skills are also gateways to success both professionally and socially.
You could say similar about Tonya Harding but seem to hold her to a different standard."Paterfamilias" gives us an incredible insight to Prince Charles' upbringing and Phillip's demons haunting Charles and causing the cycle of neglect and abuse to continue for another generation.
It's difficult for any victim of childhood abuse to get his or her life together, regardless of the socioeconomic circumstances. Unfortunately, many such people themselves become abusers. We do not give them a free pass because they were abused before they abused; we hold them accountable.
I think we can sympathize with Tonya Harding as the victim of abuse, but we should pity her, not sympathize with her, for being unable to overcome the effects of the abuse.
*Ahem*
https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/th...er-to-spring-2017.100605/page-23#post-5061521
You could say similar about Tonya Harding but seem to hold her to a different standard.
As I said upthread:
Janney's Lavona is almost in on the joke and acts like her treatment is all a part of her master plan to get Tonya a way out. I truly believe Lavona's treatment of Tonya was hardly purposeful or a means to a bigger goal. She is likely an unmaternal woman who probably shouldn't have had children but thought she did the best she could (which obviously was not very good). My mom passed away last year and I don't think she ever realized how much damage she had truly done to me and my sisters. Sadly, I feel Lavona is the same way.
My ACE score is 7.
I really didn't care for how Lavona was portrayed. From all the interviews I've seen of her, she's a lot like my own mother in that she was incredibly abusive but doesn't not only not see it, but she will never apologize for it as she truly cannot acknowledge it. The real Lavona is funny, but in a very unintentional way. Janney's Lavona is almost in on the joke and acts like her treatment is all a part of her master plan to get Tonya a way out. I truly believe Lavona's treatment of Tonya was hardly purposeful or a means to a bigger goal. She is likely an unmaternal woman who probably shouldn't have had children but thought she did the best she could (which obviously was not very good). My mom passed away last year and I don't think she ever realized how much damage she had truly done to me and my sisters. Sadly, I feel Lavona is the same way.
If Kwan can have an FSU thread about being overrated, why can’t I, Tonya?
Nancy Kerrigan joins Inside Edition as special super bowl correspondent. Also she will be a special correspondent for Inside Edition during the winter Olympics.
http://www.insideedition.com/nancy-...dition-special-super-bowl-correspondent-40134
yes I was watching Inside Edition too lol.I saw that! I was actually very surprised since Inside Edition was always Tonya’s domain and basically paid for her legal expenses back in the day.
Saying it in a disclaimer is one thing but the way the film is shot and how they decided to shoot it and how it portrayed it says another thing completely. Especially with what the actors have said about being team Tonya. They certainly believe that’s how it went down. Robbie even said she didn’t think it mattered what happened with the incident because Tonya’s story and how she was treated was more interesting. They can say that all they want (probably to avoid legal liability) but it’s clear what stance the film took.
And this matters why? The mainstream media certainly had no conscience about painting her as the “white trash villain” back in 1994 against Nancy’s “pretty princess” role. A cat fight for the ages to garner higher ratings.
This was an apparent plot device to simplify the "legal ramifications" and not make the audience sit through two different decisions by two different bodies (FBI/USFS) and have to explain why one was one punishment, the other a strip of titles and a ban. It was probably too confusing to write up. It simplifies her response to the punishments also. For the audience, most of whom do not know what we all know.
Other productions have melded different people into one character to advance the plot and simplify the film(s). Same here. I have no problem with it as long as people know, "IT IS ONLY A MOVIE."
(Yes, I am like the crack dealer of figure skating. Get 'em all addicted. Whatever it takes!)
One of the most fascinating scenes for me was one in which the Tonya Harding character confronts a judge and asks why she is marked so low when she's got the jumps and the judge says that they also care about presentation. Tonya then says something about not being able to afford fancy dresses. Other than when there's a costume violation (and, as mentioned upthread, one of Tonya's dresses did violate the rules), presentation was not about dresses. If this is scene is based on what Harding told interviewers, then she either (1) still really doesn't understand what the second mark measured/measures or (2) doesn't want to admit that her presentation skills weren't up to snuff.