Harvey Weinstein megaproducer and executive ousted over sexual harassment

[debo]

There’s a song in the Broadway version of Nine (a musical version Fellini’s 8 1/2) that was cut from the film version where a character criticizes a self-indulgent, self-important director for reasons similar to yours.

I stayed away from the film version, but ‘Be On Your Own’?

 

[debo]

Wrong thread

 

[VGThuy]

I stayed away from the film version, but ‘Be On Your Own’?

It was actually "Folies Bergeres" but in the film they cut the Stephanie (aka film critic) part out where she criticizes him and his movies, which took away a lot of the meaning of the song and story. In the movie, Kate Hudson played the Stephanie character and they changed her to a Vogue fashion journalist and gave her a song about how much she admired the male character...big difference in character there.

Here are the lyrics to her part:

"The trouble with Contini, he’s the king of mediocrities,
A second-rate director who believes that he is Socrates.
He never makes a “movie” or a “picture” or a “flick”
He makes a “film”-get it? -a “film”.
A typical Italian with his auto and biography,
A mixture of Catholicism, pasta, and pornography,
A superficial, womanizing, moderately charming Latin fraud.
And what are his movies about?
Just beauty, truth, death, youth, love, life, anguish, angst.
Thanks to him we have boredom at the movies."

She repeats this throughout the song.

 

[screech]

Five women accuse James Franco of sexually exploitative behavior. This is on top of the well-publicized incident with a 17 year old from a few years ago. From the article, four of the women accusing him were his students, and another said he was her mentor.

From James' interview with Colbert on Tuesday

Look, in my life I pride myself on taking responsibility for things that I have done,” he told Colbert. “I have to do that to maintain my well being. The things that I heard that were on Twitter are not accurate. But I completely support people coming out and being able to have a voice because they didn’t have a voice for so long. So I don’t want to shut them down in any way.”

“If I have done something wrong,” he added, “I will fix it — I have to.”

 

[screech]

Dan Harmon offered an actual legitimate, heartfelt and accepted (by the accuser) apology for harassing her while she was a writer on his show Community. He recounts the events, apologizes, and asks that nobody try to defend him online. She appreciated his apology, posted a link to the podcast where he gave it, and says it is a proper apology where he is not rationalizing, but is acknowledging what he did, and she states her forgiveness.

 

[Jay42]

Dan Harmon offered an actual legitimate, heartfelt and accepted (by the accuser) apology for harassing her while she was a writer on his show Community. He recounts the events, apologizes, and asks that nobody try to defend him online. She appreciated his apology, posted a link to the podcast where he gave it, and says it is a proper apology where he is not rationalizing, but is acknowledging what he did, and she states her forgiveness.

Considering what I had read of his behaviour when he was in charge of Community from seasons 1-3, specifically in regards to Chevy Chase, I wasn't surprised to read that Dan Harmon had harassed a female writer. I'm glad he apologised properly. He definitely seems to have grown as a person.

 

[Tinami Amori]

It was actually "Folies Bergeres" but in the film they cut the Stephanie ....

I have the video, but i thought the song is called "The Trouble with Contini" (@ 6:00 on video) and comes after and in-between FB..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LAwN1KjuZA

... and you're right, i was thinking to Fellini/Mastroianni (8-1/2) but not "Nine" because i take it as a parody of the previous.

... and as far as 8-1/2... do love composition, camera-work, montage, actors' dynamics, the sets.... but i don't give a "sh...t" about his soul-searching into past affairs..... i had more than him, and i don't bother people with them. I just don't see why he had to "resolve his issues in public" and pretend its artwork...

 

[cocotaffy]

Dan Harmon offered an actual legitimate, heartfelt and accepted (by the accuser) apology for harassing her while she was a writer on his show Community. He recounts the events, apologizes, and asks that nobody try to defend him online. She appreciated his apology, posted a link to the podcast where he gave it, and says it is a proper apology where he is not rationalizing, but is acknowledging what he did, and she states her forgiveness.

"And I did it all by not thinking about it. So, I just want to say, in addition to obviously being sorry, but that’s really not the important thing. I want to say that I did it by not thinking about it."
He insists on the thinking about it part and this is key. Many men have said since the whole Weinstein case blew up they had no idea what women were going through nearly daily for most of them. It was just not on their radar, they were not thinking about it so how can you spot wrongful doings especially when it's often done in a non blatant manner. How can you step in with your male peers and tell them to stop if you had zero sense of it. I was watching a debate about the 100 French women tribune and one of the male participant mentioned how if came home and asked all the women in his life about their experiences. Women as close as his wife and his daughters and every single of them started telling him stories. He was shocked and made him think. If every man takes notice and start thinking, it's definitely a beginning.

 

[ilovepaydays]

Eliza Dushku is speaking about what happened to her while she was filming True Lies. She was 12 years old.

 

[Buzz]

Vogue suspends photographers Mario Testino and Bruce Weber amid sexual harassment allegations made by male models and assistants.
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-42679585

 

[cocotaffy]

Eliza Dushku is speaking about what happened to her while she was filming True Lies. She was 12 years old.

That's heartbreaking and just shows how some people in the industry knew so I'm very suspicious of all those showbusiness people swearing they've never witnessed anything or that they didn't know. I'm not one for rumors but coming back to the original one, Weinstein, come on, to the point of making open jokes at the Oscars and nobody knew and nobody acted on it. I also get the power play which could prevent people especially regular employees on set to talk but Weinstein was not the only super powerful person in Hollywood. Couple of heavy weight A listers could have done the trick to bring him down. Hence my uneasiness with the display at the Golden Globes this year. On one hand, the Hollywood industry could not not take a stand but on the other, it felt a bit hypocritical. Of course, going at the people questioning how on earth they didn't know may sound counterproductive especially if they are women. On the other hand, them acknowledging publicly they knew something was up would also help all those victims of harassment felt supported a bit like what Peter Jackson did for Ashley Judd. He officially acknowledged how he kept her out of LOTR casting because he was warned about her by the Weinstein production company.

 

[skatesindreams]

Ann Curry, formerly of Today, to be interviewed:
http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/16/media/ann-curry-cbs-this-morning-interview/index.html

 

[Artistic Skaters]

The first televised interview with Dylan Farrow will be on CBS This Morning (w/Gayle King) on Thursday, Jan 18.

*** Dylan Farrow on her sexual abuse accusations against Woody Allen: "I am telling the truth" :
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dylan-farrow-interview-gayle-king-thursday-watch-live/

 

[overedge]

Have to say that I'm getting royally POed at some of the "oh no, now men cannot say anything to women at work" #metoo pushback. Is it that difficult to understand how to behave professionally in a workplace???

 

[made_in_canada]

Have to say that I'm getting royally POed at some of the "oh no, now men cannot say anything to women at work" #metoo pushback. Is it that difficult to understand how to behave professionally in a workplace???

That pisses me off too. But also reinforces how pervasive the problem is and how much #metoo is needed.

 

[Tinami Amori]

I think there is a difference between "rape a la Weinstein style" and "a butt pinch" and don't like that it is now all in one basket.

If i had my say, i would mandated uniform rules for ALL firms, big or small, as a government law: no romantic mingling between employees. only one gesture is allowed if you want to ask someone on a date - leave a polite note on the desk, with invitation for coffee, lunch dinner AFTER WORKING HOURS. if the recipient says "no" or does not reply, any further contact other than work related issues is against the law.

I also don't understand why a male boss is such a scary issue if he chases after you. What's the difference except body configuration? Say no if he asks you out or makes nasty remark make one back.... If he touches you, punch him, and go on working. Work is work, grabbing is grabbing. You work good, if you're pinched you punch.... You punch 1-2-3 times, he won't touch you again..

Now the guys are afraid to kiss you on a cheek or even asking if they can kiss your hand, or just look scared..... If you don't like a guy, don't go on a date, or leave soon is you discover it later during dinner... But if i am sitting for 3 hours with a guy, drinking flirting... I don't want him to ask permission to kiss me..... why am i sitting there with him wasting 3 hours and offering to pay for 2nd or 3rd round of drinks..... because i hate him?

PS. I found a video i wanted everyone to see, how unfair to men it is getting.... double standard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uccExOPMrI

 

[Peaches LaTour]

I have always said that the Kennedy men were rotten to the core, and so was Clinton. And so is Trump. Scummy behavior knows no political boundaries.

If you want the documentation, here: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/13/list-of-donald-trump-sexual-misconduct-allegations[/QUOTE

So you have always known the Kennedy men were rotten to the core? Really?

 

[Wyliefan]

I'm not sure I grasp your objection to the remark.

 

[VALuvsMKwan]

One might imagine some lively discussion here regarding a story at Babe.net in which an anonymous woman photographer given the pseudonym of "Grace" has described a "date" and sexual encounter with Aziz Ansari.

This story is apparently causing quite the controversy of sexual assault vs. "bad date/bad sex" on Facebook and other social and news media, including a rather severe putdown of "Grace" by Ashleigh Banfield of CNN HLN.

Search online using "Aziz Ansari" to find many links, including these, reacting to this situation.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/15/media/aziz-ansari-babe-editor-interview/index.html

http://www.tmz.com/2018/01/16/ashley-banfield-aziz-ansari-accuser-sexual-misconduct/

 

[Jay42]

This is my favourite response to the Aziz Ansari situation, warning, it gets sweary and a bit descriptive. I agree with pretty much everything she has to say though.

 

[MacMadame]

I don't agree with it. If you read the woman's account, she basically wanted Aziz to be a mindreader. When she actually said No instead of giving him "cues", they stopped and put their clothes back on. And when she told him the next day that she had been uncomfortable, he apologized. Not to mention, he had absolutely no power over her or her career which means it wasn't a powerful man forcing himself on a woman because she was afraid for her career, but an awkward date where there was poor communication.

I think the woman sets feminism back by presenting women as helpless and without their own agency.

 

[Tinami Amori]

http://www.tmz.com/2018/01/16/ashley-banfield-aziz-ansari-accuser-sexual-misconduct/

to Ashley Banfield! ... this is getting out of hand! now each woman, who wants to punish a man for ANY reason, including non-sexual disagreements, can yell "harassment"...

 

[ballettmaus]

I think the woman sets feminism back by presenting women as helpless and without their own agency.

I also believe that equating her experience with sexual assault is hurting victims and something like the MeToo Movement. There is enough criticism already that men aren't allowed to flirt anymore and what-not (which MeToo is so not about), and this isn't helping.

 

[Deleted member 19433]

I don't agree with it. If you read the woman's account, she basically wanted Aziz to be a mindreader. When she actually said No instead of giving him "cues", they stopped and put their clothes back on. And when she told him the next day that she had been uncomfortable, he apologized. Not to mention, he had absolutely no power over her or her career which means it wasn't a powerful man forcing himself on a woman because she was afraid for her career, but an awkward date where there was poor communication.

I think the woman sets feminism back by presenting women as helpless and without their own agency.

While she maybe could have communicated better, the way he's described as behaving definitely doesn't seem appropriate at all to me. It doesn't sound like he asked before just assuming he could do things like repeatedly putting her hand on his penis after she had taken it away, sticking his hands in her mouth (and following her when she went away, without checking in about why she was moving away and seeing if his behavior was OK with her). Not saying no doesn't mean yes. This is all based on the theory I've learned and the way I would want to be treated, because I'm not exactly practically experienced in this area. I'm sure there are norms that can be set and understood by both people when they have had experience with each other before, but for the first time with someone it doesn't seem right to me for him to just assume he's entitled to do anything he wants.

 

[Tinami Amori]

It doesn't sound like he asked before just assuming he could do things like repeatedly putting her hand on his penis after she had taken it away, sticking his hands in her mouth ...

... first time one does it, you pull your hand away and maybe leave, or stay and try to "change the subject" (although i think such gesture is not very elegant and the guy looses 50 points)... Second time he does it, you GET UP AND LEAVE, or perhaps "put your nails into his tool" and then leave.... What this woman wanted is to continue with the date (for whatever reasons) but with, lets call it, different dynamics... And you can't always get what you want, and you leave.... and don't see him again.

I hate it when the girls like a guy, want to have sex with him, but don't like that he is moving too fast or what/how he is doing it or not following her expectations of courtship (aka NOT BEGGING or FLIRTING ENOUGH)... and yet they don't leave, and then complain.

 

[MacMadame]

I found this great essay on how the #metoo movement is just getting started and how the whiners that it's gone too far are off-base. It talks a lot about how this is a complex issue and you can't separate some of the issues the way some people want to.

https://longreads.com/2018/01/18/were-not-done-here/

Here are some quotes:

Of course — what could be more terrifying than an angry, powerful woman, especially if you secretly care a little bit more about being comfortable than you do about justice?

Sex is not the problem. Sexism is the problem, along with the upsetting multitudes of men and women who seem unable or unwilling to make the distinction. An attack on sexuality, however, will always find recruits from across the political spectrum as well as from armies of amoral keyboard droppers who just want to read about what celebrities get up to in hotel rooms. An attack on patriarchy, male supremacy, and sexual oppression — that is far harder to accept. It is far harder to allow. Easier to transpose it into a key of prurience and wait for the whole thing to stroke itself into exhaustion. But — forgive me — if you think this movement has blown its load already, you’ve no idea how women work, and you’ve no clue what’s coming.

This movement is more than just a ballroom full of fainting maidens who collapse at the sight of their own ankles. It turns out that most women can, in fact, distinguish between sexual assault and a bad date. It turns out that sex is just one more thing we really do not need mansplained to us.

If anyone is confused about the difference between sex and violence, if anyone is operating under the assumption that men are always and only animals who cannot be expected to control their erotic compulsions, it’s not women. It’s men, because they’ve been socialized to understand sex and violence as synonymous, and it’s the mainstream press, because stars, sex, and violence have always sold copy.

There will always be cowardly and conservative elements in society just desperate to take even one irresponsibly reported story and use it to damn an entire movement, and we must not let them, because this matters too damn much. There’s a reeking double standard in the room. Right now, if a man makes a mistake and hurts someone, it might, just for once, ruin his career — but it seems that if a woman makes a mistake and hurts someone right back, or allows her pain to be twisted to serve someone else’s agenda, she damns not just herself, but all other women by association.

 

[screech]

I understand the temptation to bring it up, but I hate that Alison Brie was asked by a few outlets on the SAG red carpet about James Franco (her brother in law). I thought she handled it well, but I found it tacky, especially considering she was a double nominee last night for her tv show GLOW.

 

[Japanfan]

I found this great essay on how the #metoo movement is just getting started and how the whiners that it's gone too far are off-base. It talks a lot about how this is a complex issue and you can't separate some of the issues the way some people want to.

https://longreads.com/2018/01/18/were-not-done-here/

A long but wise, provocative and insightful piece. Thanks for posting it MacMadame.

 

[antmanb]

Some of the gutter press in the UK are trying to say that men don't know how to act around women any more and that things have gone mad.

The Mash Report did this hilarious piece on it that's been doing the rounds on social media:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZslRP53PPM

 

[cocotaffy]

This mash report is excellent and just come to show how this sudden "metoo cross the line endangering men/women communication" is plain false. Turns out women are not idiots and can make the difference between an attempt to flirting even a failed one and sexual misconducts. So why shouldn't men be able to understand as well ? I think it's just a cop out excuse by some men who don't want to readjust their behaviour and why would they want to give up without a fight a status quo where they're the dominant force.
I'm also quite tired to hear on the French media, and it might be going on other countries too, famous women coming up saying before going too far we should teach girls to defend themselves as if every single mother since the dawn of time hasn't been already doing so. So you get to hear those wisdom tips such as "my grandma told when a man touches my butt in the subway to take his hand and say out loud Whose is it ?" Well guess what, I can bet every woman has been given those kind of tips. Mine for instance was to keep my keys with one sticking out between the middle finger and the index when coming home at night. It hurts more when hitting. Also keeping a needle on the coat collar to poke guys in the subway and so on. But news flash this hasn't prove such an efficient way of dealing with it since so many women are still getting harassed. So instead of constantly putting the burden on women and we should educate ours girls, which again has already been done, how about educating ours boys boundaries instead. Sorry for venting but I'm really getting tired of those counter productive arguments which won't help change men and women dynamics for the better but just will keep the status quo.