From Russia with Love [#31]: Winter to Spring 2019

[Bigbird]

I wonder why Medvedeva didn’t try to find another Russian or Russian style coach out of the country if she was keen on moving training? Surely there was someone like Artunian or someone that might have been a better fit.

Who else is there exactly who's had consistent results? Besides I think she just needed a mental break from Russia. I mean these Nationals were intense.

 

[zoe111]

Who else is there exactly who's had consistent results? Besides I think she just needed a mental break from Russia. I mean these Nationals were intense.

I was thinking Artunian

 

[Perky Shae Lynn]

I was thinking Artunian

It's not a bad idea actually. I would love to see what Mishin could do with Medvedeva, but that's a pipe dream.

 

[Sylvia]

Arutunian seemed to think Orser was a good choice when he was asked about Medvedeva back in May: https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/th...beridze-for-orser.103921/page-19#post-5360777

 

[ChelleC]

It's not a bad idea actually. I would love to see what Mishin could do with Medvedeva, but that's a pipe dream.

I definitely do not want to see Medvedeva with Mishin. Frankly, I think he would destroy what makes her special.

 

[Perky Shae Lynn]

I definitely do not want to see Medvedeva with Mishin. Frankly, I think he would destroy what makes her special.

I think he is intelligent enough to know what to change and what to keep. I love how patient and nurturing he's been with Tut. I am sure Medvedeva could benefit from some love, so to speak.

 

[soogar]

I think he is intelligent enough to know what to change and what to keep. I love how patient and nurturing he's been with Tut. I am sure Medvedeva could benefit from some love, so to speak.

The energy in Mishin's group really seems good. Both Sofia and Liza look really happy to be out there and appear to enjoy competing for the sake of competing.

 

[Finsta]

Why people are thinking it’s not working with Orser? I will wait for her to make that decision. I feel she didn’t stay with Russian coach due to the wrath of Eteri. Look how she handle this coach switch. Not sure another coach in Russia would have wanted all drama like Eteri gave.

 

[Lis]

Really, honestly give both Med and Orser a little more time. Next season I think will tell wether it was a good choice or not.

 

[mjb52]

I like what I've seen of her relationship with Orser so far and I think it's a positive sign he was open to changing her short program even though I guess you could say it didn't work out that well at RusNats. I'd love it if they keep it for next year because I think it's very promising (maybe they can keep building it technically if that's needed).

 

[shan]

Zabiiako/Enbert are out of Europeans... (medical reasons)

I hope he has a quick recovery.

 

[mjb52]

Wow I finally saw Tarasova/Morozov's LP from Russian Nationals (since I'd seen it already from one of their GP performances I watched some other stuff first as I've been catching up on everything) and they did a really great job. I really hope they are given the credit they deserve if they skate this clean at Euro's and World's. I love Cipres/James too but I think it should be a tough choice between the two in the free if they both go clean.

 

[Vash01]

Wow I finally saw Tarasova/Morozov's LP from Russian Nationals (since I'd seen it already from one of their GP performances I watched some other stuff first as I've been catching up on everything) and they did a really great job. I really hope they are given the credit they deserve if they skate this clean at Euro's and World's. I love Cipres/James too but I think it should be a tough choice between the two in the free if they both go clean.

If they are both clean, i would give the edge to T&M. Better SS, better positions.

 

[ChiquitaBanana]

I think that the group lessons in Eteri's system appear to be the most effective and probably cost efficient way to develop talent. I almost think that figure skating in North America is a bit of a money suck with all the money skaters have to spend for personal training, dance classes and private coaching. Eteri's girls take dance classes together, practice together take lessons together and probably do off ice training together as well. They may not receive a lot of individual attention but they are probably always supervised and watched. It probably is more effective to give small instruction to fix issues as they arise as opposed to one big lesson and leave them to practice alone. People do well under the North American system but Eteri is showing that her way produces consistency and polished programs. Her skaters look the most finished and polished compared to the other Russian coaches. Others may have better jump technique but her girls have complete programs with every detail attended to. Whether you like the choreography or not, everyone is getting spin levels, footwork before jumps, transitions, etc.

I think it would be an adjustment for Evegenia to have to take more responsibility for her skating and this training in North America costs a lot more money as well.

Hello, Eteri didn't invent that group system. It has been like this since ages in Europe.

 

[zebraswan]

Why people are thinking it’s not working with Orser? I will wait for her to make that decision. I feel she didn’t stay with Russian coach due to the wrath of Eteri. Look how she handle this coach switch. Not sure another coach in Russia would have wanted all drama like Eteri gave.

I really don't understand why people think Raf would have been any better, since he says himself that he needs 2 years to develop a skater. Look how long it took him with Michal. And look how Marin Honda is doing in her first season with Raf...yikes! Honestly, I think Raf is a bit overrated. He's alright, but he certainly doesn't have the track record of Orser or Eteri. Mishin...I don't think he would have taken Evgenia (he turned down Yulia, for those who have forgotten) and I don't think she would have wanted to go there. She wanted to go to Brian, the end. Why would anyone here know what's better for her than Evgenia herself?

 

[mjb52]

Why would anyone here know what's better for her than Evgenia herself?

Well we do need to post about something or it would be very quiet here!

 

[Deleted member 40371]

They have a spin specialist at cricket who works on the spins with the skaters. If the doctors say that certain spins will make the back injury worse or will not let it heal guess what they won't be doing at cricket? Do No Harm

Oh, they certainly have a good spin-doctor, alright.

 

[AxelAnnie]

I was listening to the latest TSL thing and they talked about Medvedeva a lot, in particular about her spins. Now I know that they are just gossiping and their information should be taken skeptically, but here is one thing that they said: that in Cricket Club skaters do a lot of work on spins and other aspects of skating on their own. Time with Brian is mostly spent on jumps. I don't know if that is true or not, but I definitely think Evgenia is not nearly getting the same amount of coach attention to her overall presentation and spins in particular as she did before. I am not saying that her back is not injured, it most likely is bothering her, but as pointed out above, it's not just the spins that are not improving. Her old short program also looked worse as season progressed in terms of presentation.

Listen to Brian's interview for Rocker Skating. I found it quite illuminating.
IMO Evgenia made a brilliant move.

 

[DreamSkates]

I am not ready to give up on Orser yet. His track record has attracted many skaters from other countries and he has been successful with them. It may be a matter of adjustment to a new country for Zhenya, which a Russian coach living abroad might not have helped. I think she needs at least one more season with Orser before deciding whether this is going to work out for her. She does need a better choreographer, one who can use her natural talent. David Wilson was a really bad choice IMO.

In more than one interview, he has said he needs at least 18 months with a skater before the best results will be seen.

Also, what are Konstantinova's results this year that propelled her to Euros, etc.?

 

[EdmundBonPain]

If they are both clean, i would give the edge to T&M. Better SS, better positions.

Isn’t Morozov’s (inarguable) total lack of expression more detrimental than James/cipres’ (arguable) lesser skating skills?

 

[shuilee]

Enbert's injury sounds serious. I wonder if Z&E will be out of Worlds also? Lots of further medical examinations and rehabilitation is required.

 

[Vash01]

Isn’t Morozov’s (inarguable) total lack of expression more detrimental than James/cipres’ (arguable) lesser skating skills?

No it is not. This is a Skating competition.

 

[Dobre]

The chance of us getting a totally solid competition out of both Tarasova & Morozov and James & Cipres being what it is . . . I'm not sure this argument is worth having.

 

[mjb52]

What is Enbert's injury? The article I read didn't say.

 

[Vash01]

With Z&E out, Russia’s chances of retaining three spots don’t look very good.

 

[Deleted member 40371]

With Z&E out, Russia’s chances of retaining three spots don’t look very good.

It is not ideal, still Russia team is stronger than any team competing at the worlds. We will need T/M, P/K and B/K all to have really bad skate for Russia to lose 3 spots for the next worlds.
Even then, I can see a result like this:

1) J/C 2) S/H 3) P/J 4) T/M 5) DM/G 6) MT/M 7)K/O 8) R/K 9) B/K 10) P/K

T/M will need an absolute nightmare of skate to finish outside the top 4, then the next Russian pair will need to finish 10th to lose 3 spots. For that will need everything going wrong for the team Russia to, even then a 9th look more likely. For such a result to occur non-russian will also have to be at their absolute best, which based on past results also looks unlikely. If I was you, I wouldn't be too worried about 3 spots. Saying that, an injury to T/M would be bad, even then Russia could scrape 3 spots based on how other teams have skated this year and general lack of depth elsewhere.

 

[RoseRed]

With Z&E out, Russia’s chances of retaining three spots don’t look very good.

At Euros? With B/K and P/K on top of T/M, I wouldn't think that would be a problem at all. The only real competition for these teams in Europe is J/C and DM/G. Maybe Z/K. Three spots at Euros should be easy.

If you mean at Worlds, Z/E are not out of Worlds yet. But even then, 3 spots would be very doable as long as T/M skate well. If they are 3rd, then all that's needed is for one of the other two teams to come in the top ten. If they are 4th, then top 9th for one of the other two teams. Keep in mind that there will be only 2 Chinese teams at Worlds, 1 US team. Even if the 2nd Russian team were to come behind all of Sui/Han, Peng/Jin (or Yu/Zhang), Della Monica/Guarise, James/Cipres, Moore-Towers/Marinaro, Kayne/O'Shea (or other US team), and Tarasova/Morozov, that RUS2 team would be 8th. Then there's Ryom/Kim and Ziegler/Kiefer.

If T/M were to come 4th, then one of Boikova/Kozlovskii and Pavliuchenko/Khodykin would need to beat one of R/K and Z/K to retain 3 spots. They could still lose to all of 2 CHN teams, CAN1, USA1, ITA1, FRA1. That is very very doable, and B/K especially are capable of beating some of those other teams. The only reason to be concerned would be if you think T/M will not come in the top 4 (and even if they were 5th/6th, B/K could place high enough to get it done).

 

[Vash01]

I don’t have confidence in P&K. Not sure if B&K can handle the pressure in their very first Euros. If they place in top 10, T&M could place 3rd or 4th which is doable.

Will think of worlds later, but it will be much tougher, with the Chinese pairs and MT&M competing. However, from Domshabfan’s post, it may be possible. Still, a top 10 at worlds won’t be easy for B&K.

 

[zoe111]

Really, honestly give both Med and Orser a little more time. Next season I think will tell wether it was a good choice or not.

i don’t disagree with this as I do see some positive changes already. I just looked back and did the math on the cost of the 2A 3t mistake. If you assume she’d get just under what Samodurova got for it- a 1.1, that was 6.94 points of mistake between the base value difference, the goe difference, and the fall deduction. That would have taken her total to 212.84 and she would have been above Zagitova and automatically into Euros.

 

[Ka3sha]

Julia Lipnitskaya is taking part in the Chinese New Year Count Down Festival in Harbin tomorrow, show will be broadcasted on 31st of December

If I remember correctly, it is her first performance after retirement