From Russia with love [#28]: Autumn to Winter 2017


What? She couldn't jump if her life depended on it.

Do we really think at this point after all these injuries he would start over with somebody new? Fedor will simply skate off into shows and other cool things.

Honestly, I just want Ksenia to beat down Trankov with her skate on national TV. Would that be too much to ask?
 
@Vash01 im not sure if it's as easy as has it/has it not, when it comes to mental strength that produces champions:) I agree mental strenght is of course needed. But for some it can be acquired or learned, in the most hopeless cases. It can come through experience and age - like Aliev, I actually believe he's on the right track, he's much more consistent this season than last year. Or Carolina.

It can come through switching to the right environment - like Butyrskaya, who clearly found herself with Tcahikovskaya, like Angela Nikodonov, or Adam with Raf, or Mirai, who says training for Tom S. works so well for her, because she's allowed to make mistakes, and is not expected to be perfect every time she skates.

Some perform better and more consistent after becoming a parent, like Suzanna Babiakova, as they get a different perspective on life. Some work with a sports psychologist and manages to overcome the problem.

Of course, some just have it, right off the booth, like Kwan or Plush. For Kolyada I hope the remedy is to compete, compete, compete. If he lands those jumps with good enough ratio in practice, he has to start landing them in competition sooner or later. Or water down, like Aliev, and gain consistency and confidence through lots of clean skates with only the quad toe, then add more later. Key is also to not loose the goodwill and trust of his federation. They should keep supporting him, they might get a diamond in return. I mean, they kept believing in Kovtun all those years, why not Misha. Some feds are good at giving skaters the time they need. I believe that's essential. But of course...Misha could be a hopeless case. Like Brezina or Sandhu....:gallopin1

You make some good points. I agree about Kulik's inconsistency but i think it was a stamina issue for him rather than a mental one because his mistakes usually took place in the second half.

I agree that mental toughness can be learned, but in some cases a skater is just incapable of that e.g. Sandhu or Kovtun or Sasha Cohen). It comes naturally for some skaters like Kwan, and some may be able to develop it.
 
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Stolbova/Klimov are saying that they have no intentions to quit: as of this monday we are preparing for the Worlds, (as far as quitting) we never made such decisions or made such statements. but... perhaps you can ask Trankov... :D, maybe he knows better what our plans are.. :lol:"

"С понедельника мы готовимся к чемпионату мира, никаких решений по поводу завершения карьеры мы не принимали, и на эту тему разговоры не велись. Но лучше об этом спросить Максима Транькова, ему лучше знать о наших планах», – сказала Столбова."

https://www.sports.ru/figure-skating/1060163053.html

https://rsport.ria.ru/figure_skating/20180213/1132485790.html
 
Sigh, I knew T/M would blow it, they just can't handle the pressure :duh: and of course the haters are out in full force :mad:

It's been pretty bad all round, only Evgenia and Alina can save these Olympics for Russia now so fingers crossed
 
Changed their programs to what?? No Mozer team had exceptional programs this year. If they changed something, who could say it'd be better? They knew that no one liked the Muzak program last year, so of course the answer to that was to double down on the tacky this year.

They need a makeover, like when Nikodinov went from trash bag looking psuedo Egyptian dress to :glamor:
 
Changed their programs to what?? No Mozer team had exceptional programs this year. If they changed something, who could say it'd be better? They knew that no one liked the Muzak program last year, so of course the answer to that was to double down on the tacky this year.

They need a makeover, like when Nikodinov went from trash bag looking psuedo Egyptian dress to :glamor:

Changed their short program to their long program or did what was done in the past by some and have sp and lp be same music. As soon as sp was over in the team event they should have changed their lp.
 
Mozer has RUINED Russian pairs.

the strange thing is the Russian fed. seem to have such faith in her when it seems she really doesn't do much to have earned it :slinkaway

her most successful teams (I don't know about the juniors :shuffle:), V/T and S/K, would have been great successes no matter who their coaches were because they were that good all on their own. She didn't really have to do much and frankly I wouldn't give her any credit for them. Her other teams, who really need help and guidance, are let down in ways that we've all posted time and time again. She's no Tamara Moskovina, not even a Vasiliev, yet somehow she's been given dominance of the whole pairs program :drama:
 
I was getting pretty :mad: when people in the PBP thread started cheering when they started making mistakes. Man, people get VICIOUS when they don't like your program. I just really feel sorry for Evgenia. She's really fab and I just want to tell her that she'll be okay, that she has everything in her to be a pairs goddess, it just wasn't going to happen this year.
 
well if this doesn't force T/M to make the major changes people have been begging for (frankly their WHOLE team needs to be fired!) then I don't know what will I give up. The Russian fed. needs to step in and be the controlling force everybody says they are :drama:

after S/H botched theirs the gold was theirs for the take, it was practically on a platter :wall:
 
well if this doesn't force T/M to make the major changes people have been begging for (frankly their WHOLE team needs to be fired!) then I don't know what will I give up :drama:

after S/H botched theirs the gold was theirs for the take, it was practically on a platter :wall:
It was never on a platter with that program. It was never wining anything! Scores show that.
 
the strange thing is the Russian fed. seem to have such faith in her when it seems she really doesn't do much to have earned it :slinkaway

Literally anyone could have coached V&T to the gold, then they just started sending all the pairs and money her way. I became very wary of her when she had the team of V&T, S&K, and T&M at 2016 Worlds and failed to produce even one medal.

I mean you have

Stolbova/Klimov - Skipped Worlds in 2015 to learn quads. Never landed or even attempted a single one in competition, but managed to completely ruin their timing on their triple throws and incur multiple injuries along the way.

Tarasova/Morozov - Continually styled as an 80s #2 pair even when it was clear for a long time they were the best in her group by far. Consistency issues weren't adequately addressed.

Bazarova/Larionov - She hated her and drove the team to split and they just sort of faded away.

Zabijako/Enbert - She had to pluck her from Estonia for what? Injured themselves on a throw 3axel that we never saw attempted, competed with a ridiculous throw 2axel for a long time despite having good technique on triples, and continue to pretend that they have a sbs 3salchow on which she falls and underrotates every single time, to the point where sometimes they attempt a sbs 2salchow, at the elite level, instead of just putting in a 2axel or even a damn 2flip.
 
I was getting pretty :mad: when people in the PBP thread started cheering when they started making mistakes. Man, people get VICIOUS when they don't like your program. I just really feel sorry for Evgenia. She's really fab and I just want to tell her that she'll be okay, that she has everything in her to be a pairs goddess, it just wasn't going to happen this year.

That's terrible, I stopped reading after S&M's skate for that very reason.
 
It was never on a platter with that program. It was never wining anything! Scores show that.

your letting your hatred of the program cloud your judgement. I hated it too but look at the scores. They bombed and still got a 143. They got a 151 at Euros when it was all scratchy and less then clean. All they needed to do was skate clean, or as close as possible, and they would have likely gotten it when you take into account the generous Olympic scoring. And even if they didn't get 154 for gold it would have been close (like S/H) and they would have been on the podium instead of 4th. The judges do really like them and want to reward them in spite of their actual programs.

All they needed was 6 points more to be on the podium! They could have easily don't that even with the abomination of a program if they had done their elements
 
It annoys me so much that Mozer has these two adorable talented young skaters who she literally sabotages with embarrassing programs. It takes effort to make them look bad, but boy - does she succeed. I'll be having nightmares about this FS (not to mention the costumes) for the foreseeable future. They showed in SP what they can do when given a decent program. T&M need a coaching change, ASAP.
 
your letting your hatred of the program cloud your judgement. I hated it too but look at the scores. They bombed and still got a 143. They got a 151 at Euros when it was all scratchy and less then clean. All they needed to do was skate clean, or as close as possible, and they would have likely gotten it when you take into account the generous Olympic scoring. And even if they didn't get 154 for gold it would have been close (like S/H) and they would have been on the podium instead of 4th. The judges do really like them and want to reward them in spite of their actual programs
I liked the program! I like it when skaters who never showed any personality show some. I just can’t deny the overwhelming majority opinion. The issue was the views of the judges and everyone else. They had to change the program. It has been repeated too much in recent years. When I/k nearly won euros with ghost but everyone said they were in the worst period of their careers and then at worlds they were 16th in TES. Still got top 10 in worlds though. Russia got three spots at 2013 worlds but having the 2nd worst ice dance program of all time destroyed them under the microscope of worlds. Same thing happened to t/m this year. The overwhelming hatred of candyMan got to t/m and destroyed them. The fact is when the majority hate your program you change it! No matter how well you do at gpf or Euros you will be destroyed at Olympics or worlds. Like d/s won euros with aboriginal too. T/m did win euros but with everyone agreeing they may have had the worst pairs program of all time. I liked it! I also like sotnikovas Aguilera! First time ever she showed personality! but it was hated!
 
Glad the camera cut away when it did. Poor Tarasova, she was heartbroken :wuzrobbed:drama:

I didn't watch it and only followed it by posts online (big mistake anyway with all the hating and gloating :angryfire) because what I feared happening did happen and I just didn't want to see it :(

But I'm glad they cut the camera away. I still get all upset when I think of 2010 and the camera showing Yuko and Tamara backstage after it was all over. That was just too hard to watch :wuzrobbed
 
When I/k nearly won euros with ghost but everyone said they were in the worst period of their careers and then at worlds they were 16th in TES. Still got top 10 in worlds though. Russia got three spots at 2013 worlds but having the 2nd worst ice dance program of all time destroyed them under the microscope of worlds.

Then what was the worst one?

Like d/s won euros with aboriginal too.

Oh.

Same thing happened to t/m this year. The overwhelming hatred of candyMan got to t/m and destroyed them. The fact is when the majority hate your program you change it!

You may have a point. I kind of liked it too, especially the Candyman part. But that other Aguilera song that Z&G introduced to the skating world is so classless.
 
T/m knew they had the worst program of the year and didn’t change it! That’s their fault! If they changed programs they would have won!

If they had executed their elements, they would have won either the gold or a silver tonight. I hated the program but when they skate clean, the judges reward them, no matter how bad the program. Changing the program wouldn't have changed the result if they did what they did tonight.
 
It annoys me so much that Mozer has these two adorable talented young skaters who she literally sabotages with embarrassing programs. It takes effort to make them look bad, but boy - does she succeed. I'll be having nightmares about this FS (not to mention the costumes) for the foreseeable future. They showed in SP what they can do when given a decent program. T&M need a coaching change, ASAP.

I think Hekalo or Gaszi choreographed it though? This "blandness" is just who they are on the ice. People for get they tried Chopin. I saw it live in Boston. It didn't work. I mean, people are so rude about T/M (and Duhamel's reaction when Tarasova just broke down in the K&C was disgusting). Did it occur to anyone that this is what they wanted to skate to? Or that they like it and believe in it?
 
Then what was the worst one?



Oh.



You may have a point. I kind of liked it too, especially the Candyman part. But that other Aguilera song that Z&G introduced to the skating world is so classless.

Thanks!

If they had executed their elements, they would have won either the gold or a silver tonight. I hated the program but when they skate clean, the judges reward them, no matter how bad the program. Changing the program wouldn't have changed the result if they did what they did tonight.

But I really believe that executing elements in a program that everyone hates on the biggest most pressure filled stage is impossible because it’s in the skaters heads that everyone hates the program. Skaters may be in a bubble from the outside world but not the skating world! It’s too frequent- the technical collapses from Russians when everyone hates their programs.
 
This "blandness" is just who they are on the ice. People for get they tried Chopin. I saw it live in Boston. It didn't work.

I do not believe that blandness is their default when they have had some fun and/or powerful short programs, and a rather sweet exhibition program. They have shown that they CAN do more, why they don't... I don't know. And just because Chopin is classical music doesn't mean that it was the right classical music for them. I recall that program had quite a bit of tinkly piano, which is a very bad look for them. Big, emotional, sweeping music would be better. They should let their elements be the main focus, not have them hidden behind a wall of blah all the time. Also, wasn't there some dumb music/conductor theme? It's at the level of lameness of Z/E's LP this year. So I'm still blaming Mozer for those programs.
 

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