Canadian Ice Dance 2016-17 season news & updates

I did not mean to imply athlete's who have decided to move on from skating were whining. Teams move on for a lot of different reasons, and most have to do with money, or partnership or health issues, for some its about not having fun anymore, it's not just because OMG Scott and Tessa have returned, OR that the French are likely also considered podium locks, it seems that more and more teams are locked in battle for whatever spoils are left, either internationally or domestically. The feeling that the podium positions won't be changing much might apply to the USA as much as Canada. Does that mean that teams currently ranked below top 3 have no shot or that changes in present ranking hierarchy are pretty much locked? I say no way should any team rely on status quo. Things do change in ice dance now. My point was more for those still competing, who are frustrated by the perceived apparent lack of movement, or available podium space in dance and perhaps being faced with a longer, or more difficult up hill climb than certain teams may have expected, but instead of giving in to doubt fears please try learning from Scott and Tessa's journey; perhaps how to take lemons you are handed in life and yet still be able to make lemonade... I mean 20 years ago Davis & White over taking Belbin & Agosto or the Shibs overtaking Chock and Bates so suddenly, or French moving from 13th to 1st in World, would have been nearly impossible to imagine, now though, I think anything might happen, sure a lot is still taken for granted hearts and minds are difficult to change, but if a team has the right stuff and wants it badly enough and trains hard then anything is possible.

I think it's important for young athlete's to learn how to manage obstacles properly, to seek to dwell in possibility and not give in to negativity, when dreams don't go to plan. But taking stock and staying strong in face of so much judgment is very hard to do, and sadly most skater's will never wear World let alone Olympic gold, that is the harsh reality of sport. I don't believe in magic fixes, I believe if you want a different outcome you have to 1st look at your weaknesses and address them and put in the work to fix the things you can, but one has to be realistic too, know exactly what it is you want to accomplish and why you are in the sport (not to please somebody else, but for yourself, because you can't imagine NOT skating and training). if you can be satisfied just with applause, or the joy you get from loving what you do, esp., if the medals don't happen, then carry on. If you have the passion to do what needs to be done to achieve a realistic outcome based on talents and own aspirations and available resources, try to follow V/M playbook if you can train smart and work hard to improve. But putting the onus for success on new coaches, costumes, programs without doing the necessary work, or cheating, bribing, or arranging for knee whacks to your competitor's etc., should not be considered as magic bullets that will take you to the top, or keep you there, just sayin wink wink.

barbarafan -- I also wish Skate Canada was doing more to directly help and better fund the athletes...I think better efforts should be made to fundraise too, as confers are looking pretty bare these days, and it wouldn't surprise me to know that money there is available, doesn't always go where it should.

Sometimes they do get it right for example I loved the time Skate Canada rented out stuffed animals to throw on the ice, they kept recycling them, all during the event, you made a donation - whatever you could afford, then picked up a bunch of the stuffed things from a box, to throw at your fav skater after a performance. It was an inspired idea really, and an easy one to implement. It worked great - luggage weight restrictions, or time crunches, not everyone can bring these type of things with them anymore, (ok Japanese fans always manage to do this), but perhaps we Canadians are not as ready to shop or pay airlines big bucks for extra weight, plus we likely need space for all the extra clothes we have to bring to survive Winter in Canada LOL!!! But to get back on point that was a fun and fairly easy way to raise some money and it also gave flower kids something to do. Sometimes it can be just as effective to hit 5000 people up for a couple of bucks, than it is to go to huge effort to find just a few folks that are in position to make large donations. In any case I like you, would like to see more focus on funding and identifying young athletes, helping them to reach their potentials and keep them in the sport.
 
I did not mean to imply athlete's who have decided to move on from skating were whining. Teams move on for a lot of different reasons, and most have to do with money, or partnership or health issues, for some its about not having fun anymore, it's not just because OMG Scott and Tessa have returned, OR that the French are likely also considered podium locks, it seems that more and more teams are locked in battle for whatever spoils are left, either internationally or domestically. The feeling that the podium positions won't be changing much might apply to the USA as much as Canada. Does that mean that teams currently ranked below top 3 have no shot or that changes in present ranking hierarchy are pretty much locked? I say no way should any team rely on status quo. Things do change in ice dance now. My point was more for those still competing, who are frustrated by the perceived apparent lack of movement, or available podium space in dance and perhaps being faced with a longer, or more difficult up hill climb than certain teams may have expected, but instead of giving in to doubt fears please try learning from Scott and Tessa's journey; perhaps how to take lemons you are handed in life and yet still be able to make lemonade... I mean 20 years ago Davis & White over taking Belbin & Agosto or the Shibs overtaking Chock and Bates so suddenly, or French moving from 13th to 1st in World, would have been nearly impossible to imagine, now though, I think anything might happen, sure a lot is still taken for granted hearts and minds are difficult to change, but if a team has the right stuff and wants it badly enough and trains hard then anything is possible.

I think it's important for young athlete's to learn how to manage obstacles properly, to seek to dwell in possibility and not give in to negativity, when dreams don't go to plan. But taking stock and staying strong in face of so much judgment is very hard to do, and sadly most skater's will never wear World let alone Olympic gold, that is the harsh reality of sport. I don't believe in magic fixes, I believe if you want a different outcome you have to 1st look at your weaknesses and address them and put in the work to fix the things you can, but one has to be realistic too, know exactly what it is you want to accomplish and why you are in the sport (not to please somebody else, but for yourself, because you can't imagine NOT skating and training). if you can be satisfied just with applause, or the joy you get from loving what you do, esp., if the medals don't happen, then carry on. If you have the passion to do what needs to be done to achieve a realistic outcome based on talents and own aspirations and available resources, try to follow V/M playbook if you can train smart and work hard to improve. But putting the onus for success on new coaches, costumes, programs without doing the necessary work, or cheating, bribing, or arranging for knee whacks to your competitor's etc., should not be considered as magic bullets that will take you to the top, or keep you there, just sayin wink wink.

barbarafan -- I also wish Skate Canada was doing more to directly help and better fund the athletes...I think better efforts should be made to fundraise too, as confers are looking pretty bare these days, and it wouldn't surprise me to know that money there is available, doesn't always go where it should.

Sometimes they do get it right for example I loved the time Skate Canada rented out stuffed animals to throw on the ice, they kept recycling them, all during the event, you made a donation - whatever you could afford, then picked up a bunch of the stuffed things from a box, to throw at your fav skater after a performance. It was an inspired idea really, and an easy one to implement. It worked great - luggage weight restrictions, or time crunches, not everyone can bring these type of things with them anymore, (ok Japanese fans always manage to do this), but perhaps we Canadians are not as ready to shop or pay airlines big bucks for extra weight, plus we likely need space for all the extra clothes we have to bring to survive Winter in Canada LOL!!! But to get back on point that was a fun and fairly easy way to raise some money and it also gave flower kids something to do. Sometimes it can be just as effective to hit 5000 people up for a couple of bucks, than it is to go to huge effort to find just a few folks that are in position to make large donations. In any case I like you, would like to see more focus on funding and identifying young athletes, helping them to reach their potentials and keep them in the sport.

Money, Money, Money ...when they swept the shelves at Skate Canada they got rid of some great people....did they not bring in anybody with vision and great money making ideas so they could help our athletes more? When a talented skater or team reports that they are done is there no followup and discussion to see if their problem is something that is fixable? Maybe a one time only relocation allotment. We need money given to the younger developement skaters and teams. I think we had 66 junior ladies ,,not so many junior men though..is this because so many gave up on triple axel..how many have beautiful skating skills and reliable jumps? is enough being done to identify earlier and ask them to try pairs or dance? Not to mention the large percent of Canadian families who could only dream of being able to afford letting them have skating lessons. How many potential champions never get near an arena?..ok I will shut up now because my Pollyana complex has too many ideas running around my head. Thank-you for your post Deb
 
Yeah $ is a huge issue. I stopped skating purely because of the $. There was no way to keep going on. I was at the level where we either go full in or stop. And I decided to stop. Now also in saying that I only started skatng when I was 15 years old. I was testing for my sr silver free skate in SC terms.. or basically thats pre novice/novice level by the time I was 17. Being that age and not a jr or sr i thought to my self whats the point of wasting money when other elite skaters are done at 21-15 yrs old. I;m sure there are MANY great skaters in Canada that can be developed into champions but the funds dont exist like they do in hockey or anything. Its unfortunate because Canada is a country that should be producing consistent world championship caliber skaters in every single discipline.
 
A potential new partnership, currently trying out Brianna Del Maestro and Dimitre Razgulajers.

That's interesting. I loved Del Maestro/Lum, especially in their breakout first season. I was disappointed and a bit surprised when he decided to retire. (He retired, right?)

hope they go out west to train.brianna and dimitri

With his dad in Ontario, a little hard to imagine, but you never know, I guess.
 
That's interesting. I loved Del Maestro/Lum, especially in their breakout first season. I was disappointed and a bit surprised when he decided to retire. (He retired, right?)



With his dad in Ontario, a little hard to imagine, but you never know, I guess.

Well Mackenzie and Dimitri were coming along but did not have good material.Going to a fresh enviornment might help the situation.
 
Dmitre Razgulajevs has put his bio back up on IcePartnerSearch as of today. Shortest partnership ever?
Won't name names but know one canadian jr. guy who had a 24 hour partnership last spring. He's now on his third partnership this season.
 
Was it ever actually confirmed that he and Del Maestro had decided to partner up, though?

I don't think it was ever confirmed and I didn't hear any rumors of it around here (of course, I don't hear everything, but I think I might have heard that one if it had been true.)
 
So nationals are in a week.

Interesting reading and hearing some chatter about Gilles/Poirier overtaking Weaver/Poje for 2nd. Their scores in the GP have definitely been close this season and they have much better choreographed programs, IMO. Still, it would be a huge blow to Weaver/Poje. I mean, they were GPF champions two years in a row. Still not convinced by this Morozov pairing. It still seems like a panic move.
 
I think Weaver/Poje are still better skaters, and to me are more compelling to watch when they're on. I think theyir material this year is weaker (though I enjoy the SD and enjoyed the FD at Cup of China for what it was) than Gilles/Poirier this year. G/P seem to also to be in an upswing and there's a bit more excitement about them while W/P seem to be trying to keep their status. I think their SDs are comparable actually, where I actually prefer W/P's SD much more. I loved G/P's disco when I saw it at the Challenger series, but liked it less and less every time they performed it since. It lost its novelty to me since it's so costumey and bit too aware of itself. W/P simply dance Michael Jackson, though Andrew can improve on his dancing and expression, and I find that I connect with it more.
 
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Weaver/Poje are definitely stronger skaters. If skating were fair, they should hang onto 2nd. I can't help but think Gilles/Poirier are getting a huge political push from Skate Canada though. Kurt Browning dropped heavy hints about it on Ice Talk and they scored MASSIVELY at Challenge (even considering it's Challenge). Now that I think of it, at Skate Canada International earlier this year, they received far more inflated scores than Virtue/Moir, who scored almost 10 points better in Japan and France compared to at home, which seemed strange to me at the time.
 
Announced today:

2017 ISU WORLD FIGURE SKATING CHAMPIONSHIPS
Helsinki Finland, March 29 – April 2, 2017

Tessa Virtue & Scott Moir
Kaitlyn Weaver & Andrew Poje
Piper Gilles & Paul Poirier


2017 ISU FOUR CONTINENTS FIGURE SKATING CHAMPIONSHIPS
Gangneung, South Korea – February 14-19, 2017

Tessa Virtue & Scott Moir
Kaitlyn Weaver & Andrew Poje
Piper Gilles & Paul Poirier


2017 ISU JUNIOR WORLD FIGURE SKATING CHAMPIONSHIPS
Taipei City, Chinese Taipei – March 15-19, 2017

Marjorie Lajoie & Zachary Lagha
Ashlynne Stairs & Lee Royer
 
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