2021 US Classic - Ice Dance

[peibeck]

Deduction was for an extended lift. The lift in question was their highest scored element.

 

[Barbara Manatee]

Yeah, it's a cool lift but I think they'd be nuts to keep it when it could be ruled illegal in a critical competition.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

The lift may have been allowed here, but I suspect a future tech panel might think differently.

Hi guys I wasn’t watching the feed this time. Can you tell me what they did in the lift that you guys are all talking about?

 

[peibeck]

The lift may have been allowed here, but I suspect a future tech panel might think differently.

I thought the same thing. Hopefully someone doesn't wait til Beijing to make that choice.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

His shirt is not flattering at all. It makes him look like he has a beer belly when he’s actually fit.

That shirt you mentioned was on my bedroom floor so let’s give him a pass

 

[Baby Yoda On Skates]

I think that's the last we'll see of that lift.

 

[Karen-W]

Hi guys I wasn’t watching the feed this time. Can you tell me what they did in the lift that you guys are all talking about?

@Braulio has already uploaded the videos of the FD - https://ok.ru/video/2505936603683 - it's the first lift of the program. He has both arms lifting her above his head.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

@Braulio has already uploaded the videos of the FD - https://ok.ru/video/2505936603683 - it's the first lift of the program. He has both arms lifting her above his head.

I’m going to watch now. Thank you

 

[thvu]

So… I don’t know what exactly is happing here with Hubbel & Donohue’s opening combination lift. Like… it seems like an unnecessary risk to take as a panel could totally destroy their score. An illegal element is a 2 point deduction, and the element becomes base level, a loss of 4.3 points. The GOE potential also goes down by about 1.5 points.

Here’s where I think the grey lies. Donohue’s never maintaining the hold. He’s gradually lowering Hubbel. So, the hold is never “sustained” and his arms aren’t fully extended. Rules as written, it’s an allowable lift.

 

[sk9tingfan]

Because the judges here are better than the ones at ACI? No offense but the judging at ACI was suspect as heck in both pairs and dance, IMO.

I take no offense at your observation about the judging at ACI. I guess we'll have to see what transpires at the Grand Prix; most likely the final, to get a more valid comparison.

 

[peibeck]

That shirt you mentioned was on my bedroom floor so let’s give him a pass

Edited: TMI

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

OK the lift seems fine according to ANL and I hope they keep it

I was expecting like something from Isabell and Lloyd from the way you guys were all talking lol

 

[CassAgain]

If I am reading the rule correctly, it depends on how the panel judges Zach's arms are fully extended or not? It's hard to tell on the video, but I think they are bent slightly?

eta: thvu's explanation above makes sense.

 

[Frau Muller]

That’s precisely the labored lift that finishes in the “twirling the sack of potatoes” move that I find so ugly! That one has to go.

 

[beebee]

Zach looks different this season but I can't put my finger on how?

I think it’s because he’s clean shaven for the first time in quite a while.

 

[Karen-W]

So… I don’t know what exactly is happing here with Hubbel & Donohue’s opening combination lift. Like… it seems like an unnecessary risk to take as a panel could totally destroy their score. An illegal element is a 2 point deduction, and the element becomes base level, a loss of 4.3 points. The GOE potential also goes down by about 1.5 points.

Here’s where I think the grey lies. Donohue’s never maintaining the hold. He’s gradually lowering Hubbel. So, the hold is never “sustained” and his arms aren’t fully extended. Rules as written, it’s an allowable lift.

That makes sense but I have to agree that it's an unnecessary risk because with the wrong panel, it could totally destroy their score. The only way I can see them getting away with it is if Zach keeps his arms more clearly bent than they are in how they executed the lift today.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

They scored well with that lift. 14.26 points I hope they keep it

 

[Rukia]

That makes sense but I have to agree that it's an unnecessary risk because with the wrong panel, it could totally destroy their score. The only way I can see them getting away with it is if Zach keeps his arms more clearly bent than they are in how they executed the lift today.

I agree with this. It's a lift that depends on the kindness of the panel, and we all know that is a dangerous position to be in.

 

[Wyliefan]

Much as I liked it, it does seem insanely risky for an Olympic year.

 

[Barbara Manatee]

If the long delay in getting scores was because the judges were hashing out the legality of the lift, that's an enormous red flag.

 

[Spikefan]

Save it for the exhibition.

 

[Karen-W]

I take no offense at your observation about the judging at ACI. I guess we'll have to see what transpires at the Grand Prix; most likely the final, to get a more valid comparison.

Yes, but even then... Home field advantage is going to be a factor for both H/D and G/P at their first GPs. We'll probably have to wait until their 2nd GP or even the GPF to see how they are really stacking up against each other.

For what it's worth, I felt like the scoring, for all of the dance teams, at ACI was more than they would score elsewhere. Yes, S/D have a better RD than H/K but they're very comparable teams, skill-wise, yet S/D were 2.5 points higher in the RD this week than H/K were last week at Lombardia? Meanwhile, GrePar are much improved and CarPon seem to be stagnating but there's nearly a 5 point difference between GrePar's ACI RD score and CarPon's Lombardia RD score. That's not even looking at the scores for GilPoir and HubDon. I mean, GrePar's ACI total score would have ahead of the #8 team in the world - Fournier-Beaudry/Sorensen at Lombardia. Let's be real. They haven't improved THAT much.

 

[peibeck]

If the long delay in getting scores was because the judges were hashing out the legality of the lift, that's an enormous red flag.

I'd think that Patrice could ask someone on the tech panel. More importantly they should fix their footwork levels.

 

[Debbie S]

Here’s where I think the grey lies. Donohue’s never maintaining the hold. He’s gradually lowering Hubbel. So, the hold is never “sustained” and his arms aren’t fully extended. Rules as written, it’s an allowable lift.

Hmmm, I don't know. I just watched it on Braulio's vid (wow, that was fast!) and Zach is definitely pausing the movement to hold Madi overhead for a sec or two. I guess the legality depends on whether his elbows are bent? It seems risky and I'm sure opposing coaches and feds/judges will have something to say about it. Stirring up controversy isn't a great idea in an Oly year.

 

[~tapdancer~]

Yeah, it's a cool lift but I think they'd be nuts to keep it when it could be ruled illegal in a critical competition.

I can't imagine Patrice taking a risk like that for his teams.

 

[Gris]

I think a StaLiB sequel is the last thing they want, so the lift will probably go by their next competition. It's a pity as that lift is the best part of this FD.

 

[peibeck]

I think a StaLiB sequel is the last thing they want, so the lift will probably go by their next competition. It's a pity as that lift is the best part of this FD.

SKAM is in 5-ish weeks, not sure how long it takes to rework a major element like that.

 

[Turbo-Mom]

Can our prize please be them not qualifying for the Olympics next weekend so that we don't have to worry that we'll be subjected to this more than necessary this season?

You Suck

 

[Karen-W]

You Suck

And, since we're going to play like we're five here... How shall I respond? They sucked first because they/their choreograper picked a sucky version of a modern warhorse? Honestly, if you want to select Les Mis, at least go beyond the movie soundtrack and check out the original Broadway cast album, maybe, mmmmkay? It is like picking up Two Buck Chuck at the local ABC when you could have fine French champagne instead.

 

[jenny12]

In spite of the music, I enjoyed Hubbell and Donohue. They are such powerful skaters. Not the greatest program in the world but I enjoyed it more than most of the other dances I've seen this season (although, to be fair, there are a lot of duds so far this season).