2021-22 ISU Challenger Series announced

[Frau Muller]

Is there a schedule out for Nebelhorn? Local times (Obertsdorf) will do.

This is all I have...entries list:

http://www.isuresults.com/events/fsevent00110963.htm

 

[Panja]

This is what I could find: https://eislauf-union.de/files/users/977/CSGER2021_ColouredTimeSchedule_21-09-17.pdf .

 

[Panja]

And a provisional schedule on the IFS site: https://www.ifsmagazine.com/2021-nebelhorn-trophy/.

 

[Frau Muller]

This is what I could find: https://eislauf-union.de/files/users/977/CSGER2021_ColouredTimeSchedule_21-09-17.pdf .

Thanks. This helpful...as is the other one you’ve linked.

 

[DreamSkates]

It is 3 women (which is the limit per country allowed). The ones listed with the "S" next to the name are only alternates/substitutes.

Thank you for the clarification.

 

[Aceon6]

And a provisional schedule on the IFS site: https://www.ifsmagazine.com/2021-nebelhorn-trophy/.

Geez. I hope they move ladiezzz free a bit later. Maybe once we see the draw, it’ll be more manageable.

 

[Karen-W]

Just an FYI - the pdf of the Colored Time Schedule is dated 9/17, so I would assume it is the most current.

 

[Frau Muller]

Another round of crazy live-viewing options coming up (NHT, JGP5 and RussCup1), much of it overlapping. I’ll opt for only NHT live & watch replays of top skaters from the other two. These old eyes can handle only one competition at a time.

 

[Aceon6]

Another round of crazy live-viewing options coming up (NHT, JGP5 and RussCup1), much of it overlapping. I’ll opt for only NHT live & watch replays of top skaters from the other two. These old eyes can handle only one competition at a time.

I’m 100% committed to Nebelhorn. I figure if anything exciting happens elsewhere, the rest of FSU will let me know.

 

[Frau Muller]

I’m 100% committed to Nebelhorn. I figure if anything exciting happens elsewhere, the rest of FSU will let me know.

Me too. I feel a bit guilty abandoning Ted next week. However, JGP is very fast in uploading competitions onto YouTube. If memory serves, Russia One channel also uploads full segments of RCup competitions to YouTube.

 

[Braulio]

Thursday September 23
09:00-13:30 Men Short Program
14:00-16:20 Pairs Short Program
17:00-22:30 Ladies Short Program

Friday September 24
10:30-13:45 Rhythm Dance
14:15-19:30 Men Free Skate
20:00-22:45 Pairs Free Skate

Saturday September 25
10:10-16:15 Ladies Free Skate
16:35-20:00 Free Dance
20:30-22:15 Exhibition Gala

 

[Karen-W]

For those of us in North America, this schedule is going to be insane and you probably should have taken Thursday & Friday off to watch, lol.

Thursday September 23
3am ET/12am PT - 7:30am ET/4:30am PT Men Short Program
8am ET/5am PT - 10:20am ET/7:20am PT Pairs Short Program
11am ET/8am PT - 4:30pm ET/1:30pm PT Ladies Short Program

Friday September 24
4:30am ET/1:30am PT - 7:45am ET/4:45am PT Rhythm Dance
8:15am ET/5:15am PT - 1:30pm ET/10:30am PT Men Free Skate
2pm ET/11am PT - 4:45pm ET/1:45pm PT Pairs Free Skate

Saturday September 25
4:10am ET/1:10am PT - 10:15am ET/7:15am PT Ladies Free Skate
10:35am ET/7:35am PT - 2pm ET/11am PT Free Dance
2:30pm ET/11:30am PT - 4:15pm ET/1:15pm PT Exhibition Gala

 

[Lizziebeth]

I had figured out the schedule and whoa that is early in CDT, even for me!

 

[PRlady]

I had no idea they would be skating so early. I usually never have Friday afternoon meetings and this week I have two, 2-4. No Pairs free for me, damn it (although I would be much more upset to miss the FD).

 

[Colonel Green]

For those of us in North America, this schedule is going to be insane and you probably should have taken Thursday & Friday off to watch, lol.

Thursday September 23
3am ET/12am PT - 7:30am ET/4:30am PT Men Short Program
8am ET/5am PT - 10:20am ET/7:20am PT Pairs Short Program
11am ET/8am PT - 4:30pm ET/1:30pm PT Ladies Short Program

Friday September 24
4:30am ET/1:30am PT - 7:45am ET/4:45am PT Rhythm Dance
8:15am ET/5:15am PT - 1:30pm ET/10:30am PT Men Free Skate
2pm ET/11am PT - 4:45pm ET/1:45pm PT Pairs Free Skate

Saturday September 25
4:10am ET/1:10am PT - 10:15am ET/7:15am PT Ladies Free Skate
10:35am ET/7:35am PT - 2pm ET/11am PT Free Dance
2:30pm ET/11:30am PT - 4:15pm ET/1:15pm PT Exhibition Gala

I'm going to have to hope that Roman is dealt into one of the later groups of the men's short program. I can't do a 4 AM start time.

 

[Coco]

Eagerly awaiting start orders

 

[Theatregirl1122]

As a teacher, this is a no go for me. I don’t have days I can take off, and if I did I would take them off for the Olympics. But I don’t even really. I’ll have to try to stay inspoiled and watch when I get home

 

[Aceon6]

On second thought, I have to prioritize. I can get up at 4am two days in a row, certainly not three. The men’s short may have to go as I don’t want to risk sleeping through the rhythm dance or ladiezzz free.

 

[Gris]

Asian Open entry list is out.

https://results.isu.org/events/fsevent00110972.htm

 

[clairecloutier]

No RUS entries for Asian Open, but there are Japanese and Korean skaters including Kagiyama and Kihara.

Some Boston-based skaters are going: Ma, Chan/Howe, Lu/Mitrofanov, and new star Marilena Kitromilis.

 

[Andrea82]

Asian Open entry list is out.

https://results.isu.org/events/fsevent00110972.htm

Looks like Pair and Dance don't have enough entries or countries to count as Challengers.

 

[Karen-W]

No Canadian skaters either.

That's a shame for both the pairs and dance that they aren't going to qualify as Challengers. I wonder if the USFS will still keep those teams assigned to that event or try to get them into another event with more teams.

 

[seabm7]

Then Asian Trophy as an ISU event cannot be qualified as a Challenger, since at least 3 principles should meet the requirements.

 

[clairecloutier]

Are there any mandatory aspects involved in it being considered the official test event for the Olympics? I mean, does it have to meet any specific criteria?

 

[Andrea82]

I wonder if Pair and Dance scores (assuming they manage to gather 6 international ice dance judges from 6 different countries, and technical panels with the Challenger requirements) would count towards Season Best list or not.

From ISU Challenger Series announcement:

Each International Competition as part of the ISU Challenger Series in Figure Skating must consist of “Senior” categories (see ISU General Regulations 2021, Rule 108, paragraph 3.a) and must include entries in at least three (3) disciplines of the Figure Skating Branch (Men, Women, Pair Skating, Ice Dance) from a minimum of ten (10) different ISU Members, in all disciplines combined.
In addition, the minimum number of entries per discipline are as follows:

• Men / Women: minimum of eight (8) entries each, from at least four (4) ISU Members;
• Pair Skating: minimum of five (5) entries from at least three (3) ISU Members;
• Ice Dance: minimum of six (6) entries from at least four (4) ISU Members.

Asian Trophy 2018 had only 2 pairs (China and North Korea) and they didn't get (correctly) World Standing points.
However, their scores were considered for SB list (because panel of officials met the Challenger requirements).
However, Asian Trophy 2018 had Men, Women and Dance competitions meeting Challenger entries requirements. Therefore, the "3 disciplines" rule wasn't violated for sure.

Asian Trophy 2021 doesn't meet the required number of entries in both Pair and Dance and therefore it can be argued that it doesn't meet the 3 disciplines requirement. So I would think no, they couldn't count.
However, Budapest Trophy 2020 had scheduled only Men, Women and Ice Dance (it was a "non Pair" event). Ice Dance had only 3 entries. Therefore, it didn't meet the 3 disciplines rule (if you consider only those with the required number of entries as "valid" for Challenger Series) either but scores for ice dancers were still considered Season Bests (see Fear/Wandell).
That would suggest they (ISU) may have applied the "at least three (3) disciplines of the Figure Skating Branch (Men, Women, Pair Skating, Ice Dance) from a minimum of ten (10) different ISU Members" part to establish the whole event would still be considered as a Challenger. And then applied the "in addition, the minimum number of entries per discipline as as follows" part discipline by discipline only to award WS points.

 

[Karen-W]

Finlandia entries were updated for Pairs and Dance -

Pairs - Ghilardi/Ambrosini ITA are out
Dance - Verhaegh/Van Geffen NED were added and Polibina/Golovishnikov POL were removed.

 

[On My Own]

Is there any CS some country's skaters might not be able to enter, btw?

 

[Vagabond]

Asian Open entry list is out.

https://results.isu.org/events/fsevent00110972.htm

This is the Olympic test event?! There are only six entries in Pairs, two from outside the country, and just four in Ice Dance, with again two from outside the country.

 

[Karen-W]

This is the Olympic test event?! There are only six entries in Pairs, two from outside the country, and just four in Ice Dance, with again two from outside the country.

Right? They would have been better off scheduling Cup of China as the test event at this rate.

 

[seabm7]

Are there any mandatory aspects involved in it being considered the official test event for the Olympics? I mean, does it have to meet any specific criteria?

I do not think there is an official requirement to be an Olympic test event. Being a Challenger or not should not matter. But the event should happen at the Olympic venue, which is why (former) Cup of China could not be the designated as the test event.