The Dance Hall 13: When You Dance on the Ice and Your Feet Twizzle Twice, That's Amore

[Bigbird]

I mean that is why I find it hard to feel sorry for them. Are they not 3 time reigning world champions where they fell at least in two of the FDs?

Precisely, presactly, the tomfoolery had to end, right?

 

[Parsley Sage]

I balled like a baby over Piper and Paul.

They made my day.

Just so so happy for them

Me too. I'm still getting emotional about it.

 

[Gris]

I mean that is why I find it hard to feel sorry for them. Are they not 3 time reigning world champions where they fell at least in two of the FDs?

I mean C/B were made untouchable for nearly an entire quad and even got score close to WR with a fall. Maybe if things had been allowed to play out organically it wouldn't be so easy for FB/C to waltz in there.

 

[VGThuy]

I mean that is why I find it hard to feel sorry for them. Are they not 3 time reigning world champions where they fell at least in two of the FDs?

Goes to show I haven’t paid attention to skating these past 4 years until 2025 Worlds and then the 2026 Olympics. Did they really win two worlds with falls in the FDs?

 

[Katha]

Well, that Netflix show really needs a follow up, doesn't it?

Congratulations to the medalists! Piper and Paul skated lights out. I did think Chock and Bates were tense and slow again. FB/C's FD is mesmerizing. If the downgrade for the twizzle flub is enough is above my pay grade, but the skating was stunning otherwise IMO.

Sorry for Lilah and Lewis, yay for Italians skating so well and also for Z/K.

 

[Debbie S]

I mean that is why I find it hard to feel sorry for them. Are they not 3 time reigning world champions where they fell at least in two of the FDs?

They had a fall in their 2023 Worlds FD, which was not on an element and received the required deduction. They did not fall at any other Worlds. They had a fall in their RD at 2024 SA and finished 2nd overall to F/G.

 

[manhn]

I remember a messup in 2022 Worlds in Montreal, right? The spin, right?

 

[Orm Irian]

So happy for Alison and Saulius! Sixth, at their first Olympics, after everything they had to go through to get there...it must feel a lot like gold.

 

[tangerine dream]

I remember a messup in 2022 Worlds in Montreal, right? The spin, right?

They were 3rd in 2022, behind P/C and H/D.

 

[literaryfreak]

(Meant to post this in here):

I hope the US federation launches an inquiry. Even just from watching the tech tracker:

C/B: OFTW3+OFTM3, no review. DiStW3+DiStM4, review, dropped to M3.
F-B/C: OFTW3+OFTM4, no review. SeStW3+SeStM3, review, no change.

So C/B gets Level 3s but they don't review (knowing how close this will be?!) but when Evan gets a Level 4, it's reviewed.
Versus F-B/C get Level 3s, they flag for review but when Guillaume gets a Level 4, it's not flagged to even double check??

Theoretically possible? Yes. If I wanted to fix ice dance, is this what I'd do? Yes.

Curious if the tech panel knew they'd tied C/B and F-B/C in base value, leaving it up to the judges. Two of whom gave +4 GOE for F-B/C's twizzles after Guillaume fell out of it.

 

[Debbie S]

I remember a messup in 2022 Worlds in Montreal, right? The spin, right?

I don't remember that but i'm only semi-conscious right now. They fell on their spin at the 2018 Olys, is that what you are thinking of? They finished 9th. I'm not sure how that is relevant here though, since the original comment in this discussion claimed they've won with a fall two or more times, which is nonsense.

I was at the arena tonight. I'm proud of Madi and Evan for performing so beautifully. I'm thrilled for Piper and Paul getting the bronze. Judging was crap but we all knew it was coming. I hope that Madi and Evan can be proud of what they did tonight and all they accomplished in their career.

 

[kwanfan1818]

The gist of the claim is that when they skated not up to par -- and they were ill going into at least one Worlds -- they were undeservedly untouchable.

 

[skategal]

I remember a messup in 2022 Worlds in Montreal, right? The spin, right?

They definitely had a mistake in 2024 Montreal worlds and were messy.

Piper and Paul were robbed that year.

 

[Amantide]

I agree that the F-B/C didn't deserve +4 GEO for those TW. But they also got 0, 2 and 3. However "he didn't fell out of it." He closed earlier than her, and that's not a mistake. C&B had some tiny issues too.

IMO, neither of the first 2 couples skated in an impeccable manner. That would be G/P, in my book. But the couple with the best overall skating qualities won. I wouldn't have screamed "injustice" if C/B won either, but I find the results very fair.

 

[Twilight1]

I am gutted for Fear & Gibson.

My dream podium had them and Piper and Paul on it.

The other 2 could battle for the bronze in my dream world.

 

[Vagabond]

So happy for Alison and Saulius! Sixth, at their first Olympics

His first time at the Olympics. She competed for Georgia sixteen years ago. My online sources are spotty, but says she competed for West Germany back in the day.

 

[literaryfreak]

He closed earlier than her, and that's not a mistake.

Look at what his skate blade does on the ice immediately prior to this. Even if he was fully in control, what you say absolutely is a mistake in synchronicity and should be docked GOE. Their 1st set of twizzles were not in sync either, so at best +3 GOE max.

Other judges grading them 0,2,3 doesn't make the two +4s any less incorrect.

It's all too bad because Guillaume and Laurence are gorgeous skaters and didn't need to be carried like this here and on other elements.

 

[Andrea82]

Couples present at both 2022 and 2026 Olympics

Chock/Bates +2 positions (from 4th to 2nd)
Gilles/Poirier +4 (from 7th to 3rd)
Guignard/Fabbri +1 (from 5th to 4th)
Fear/Gibson +3 (from 10th to 7th)
Lajoie/Lagha +3 (from 13th to 10th)
Turkilla/Versluis +3 (from 15th to 12th)
Davis/Smolkin +1 (from 14th to 13th)
Taschlerova/Taschler +1 (from 16th to 15th)
Wang/Liu -9 (from 12th to 21th)

New couples with 2022 Olympians

Cizeron stable at the top
Fournier-Beaudry +8 (from 9th with Sorensen to top)
Smart -1 (from 8th with Diaz to 9th with Dieck)
Dieck +12 (from 21th with Mueller to 9th with Smart)

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On next plans, in post-FD interview on Italian TV, Guignard/Fabbri said they are tired now, will take a couple of weeks of rest and then decide if they will go to Worlds or if that was their last performance.
Marco said he would be hypocritical saying they are super happy of a 4th but given how the season started they will take the 4th place and the medal in the Team event and be proud of it.

 

[Amantide]

Look at what his skate blade does on the ice immediately prior to this. Even if he was fully in control, what you say absolutely is a mistake in synchronicity and should be docked GOE. Their 1st set of twizzles were not in sync either, so at best +3 GOE max.

Other judges grading them 0,2,3 doesn't make the two +4s any less incorrect.

It's all too bad because Guillaume and Laurence are gorgeous skaters and didn't need to be carried like this here and on other elements.

Which is why I agreed with you that it did not deserve +4 or +3 for that matter. It might be my English (I'm not mother tongue) but when I hear "he fell out" it sounds like he didn't complete them. If I misunderstood, my bad.

Tbh, I don't like "The Whale" program at all. I mean, I get it and they skate it very well etc.etc. but it's a snooze fest for me. It's a copy of what Cizeron was doing with Gabby too. I like C&B program much more, but I did have the impression that it doesn't suit them. They did their best to sell it, but I didn't quite bought it. I've seen them do a much better job with other programs. There was an Egyptian one, some years ago, if I'm not mistaken? I remember liking them very much with that one.

 

[Debbie S]

They definitely had a mistake in 2024 Montreal worlds and were messy.

Piper and Paul were robbed that year.

They had a small error on their opening stationary lift. It got called L2, a loss of about 2 points (GOE also lower than usual) and they lost the FD to Piper and Paul. Piper and Paul lost overall due to their score in the RD. IIRC, G/P had some level issues in the RD. I think the judging in Montreal was fair, which is a lot more than you can say for the judging last night.

 

[Former Lurve Goddess]

They had a small error on their opening stationary lift. It got called L2, a loss of about 2 points (GOE also lower than usual) and they lost the FD to Piper and Paul. Piper and Paul lost overall due to their score in the RD. IIRC, G/P had some level issues in the RD. I think the judging in Montreal was fair, which is a lot more than you can say for the judging last night.

Yeah, people forget that Piper and Paul were done in by their RD in 2024 and they did in fact win the FD. I think the dance judging in Montreal was pretty decent although I personally think that the Lajoie and Lagha should have been at least 3rd in the RD.