Should spins and steps be worth more under IJS?

[Tinami Amori]

I would love to see spins like this encouraged, by marks and levels.

Caroline Zhang Signature Pearl Spin in Slow Motion

Caroling Zhang's signature pearl spin in slow motion

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fully inverted camel spins

whaley inverted camel spin

kitty whaley doing a roller skating inverted camel spin on ice. Coached by a roller skater john esposito

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.. and maybe like on roller-skates, travel-camel spins..

Roller Skating Traveling Camel & Inverted Camel

This video is about Traveling Camel & Inverted Camel Nancy Martel Rodgers

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[Vash01]

I really think this discussion should be in the Trash Can. I don't see any link for article, video, interview. etc. that started this discussion, the way I have seen in GSD.

 

[Tavi]

I really think this discussion should be in the Trash Can. I don't see any link for article, video, interview. etc. that started this discussion, the way I have seen in GSD.

I’m not sure why this is so important you that you’ve mentioned it twice in a very short thread. But no one else cares.

 

[skatingguy]

If Base is a level, wouldn't that be 6 levels?

That's what I meant.

 

[bardtoob]

Important to remember that there are five levels already - Base, 1, 2, 3, 4, & 5.

If Base is a level, wouldn't that be 6 levels?

Mine goes to 11.

Spinal Tap - "These go to eleven...."

Spinal Tap lead guitarist, Nigel Tufnel explains the importance of going to 11...

youtu.be

That's what I meant.

Mine still goes to 11.

 

[MAXSwagg]

Important to remember that there are five levels already - Base, 1, 2, 3, 4, & 5.

Yes, so let’s just make 11 levels. Hell, just make 100 levels.

 

[binbinwinwin]

I think there should be less levels and more freedom for them but the GOEs can be re-defined and increased so that strong, beautiful positions or flow and coverage can be rewarded. There's a lot of spins just done for the sake of getting the level 4 done and even good spinners don't match their spins exactly to the program because they have to switch positions and get the features in.

I think no longer requiring the Biellmann for a level 4 layback was one of the best decisions the ISU ever made to scoring, we get to see something like Akari Matsuoka and Emmi Peltonen's spins hit level 4 and are very nicely centered with strong positions and good speed with less struggle biellmanns.

 

[Sylvia]

I think there should be less levels and more freedom for them but the GOEs can be re-defined and increased so that strong, beautiful positions or flow and coverage can be rewarded. There's a lot of spins just done for the sake of getting the level 4 done and even good spinners don't match their spins exactly to the program because they have to switch positions and get the features in.

From an archived thread:

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[Marco]

I think there should be less levels and more freedom for them but the GOEs can be re-defined and increased so that strong, beautiful positions or flow and coverage can be rewarded. There's a lot of spins just done for the sake of getting the level 4 done and even good spinners don't match their spins exactly to the program because they have to switch positions and get the features in.

I agree. Too much emphasis is on levels because GOEs are also based on levels. There are too many ugly sit spin variations in the world that grind to a halt but still get called level 4.

If increasing BV for these non-jump elements is not preferable, I would like spins and steps to go the route of the ChSq (i.e. unleveled, but with basic structural requirements and high GOE relative to BV) so that skaters can focus on quality and their relation to the music / program on these elements.

 

[Rock2]

I don’t have time to read a lot of what is posted in the trash can, and since this is numbers heavy I think GSD could be fine. We have moderators for that, though!

I actually think the scale of values and GOE’s, at least in singles skating, are working well now. But I still think top skaters are getting generous GOE versus the mid-level skaters who might do elements really well but not get rewarded appropriately.

Most skaters can pull off level 4 spins, but most skaters are not able to do quad jumps. There has to be enough of a differentiation technically IMO.

I think most of us feel the PCS needs an overhaul, though.

Agree for the most part. The issue with GoE and PCS is they aren't scored correctly. THAT's the overhaul skating needs.

Being a bit OTT here but I would have Lucinda Ruh only at about +4 for most spins because her positions aren't always precise. The best spins in skating right now are mostly about +3 to me.

In general the highest scores should be almost impossible to achieve.

 

[briancoogaert]

I actually think the scale of values and GOE’s, at least in singles skating, are working well now. But I still think top skaters are getting generous GOE versus the mid-level skaters who might do elements really well but not get rewarded appropriately.

Thank you ! That's exactly my thought. And we can say the same about PCS.