Music rights clearance issues (policy being implemented by the ISU starting in 2024)

[Karen-W]

Dixie Chicks.

Anyways, what would a Dixie Chicks 90s RD look like?

When I was looking for country songs earlier in the season for a RD, I didn't find a lot of Dixie Chicks songs that met the 120bpm requirement. I'm sure someone will come along to correct me on that though, lol.

 

[Rukia]

When I was looking for country songs earlier in the season for a RD, I didn't find a lot of Dixie Chicks songs that met the 120bpm requirement. I'm sure someone will come along to correct me on that though, lol.

No that's a problem with a lot of songs I thought would be good too lol it's a pretty fast bpm

 

[VGThuy]

Going back to the Amber situation, do you all think this is a case of the songwriter not wanting his music used (for whatever reason), but he doesn’t have the licensing rights, so he has no control over whether Amber can use it or not if she already received proper clearance? Either way, she doesn’t need more stress.

 

[Karen-W]

Going back to the Amber situation, do you all think this is a case of the songwriter not wanting his music used (for whatever reason), but he doesn’t have the licensing rights, so he has no control over whether Amber can use it or not if she already received proper clearance? Either way, she doesn’t need more stress.

Who knows? He didn't really elaborate, just whined about it.

 

[Rukia]

Going back to the Amber situation, do you all think this is a case of the songwriter not wanting his music used (for whatever reason), but he doesn’t have the licensing rights, so he has no control over whether Amber can use it or not if she already received proper clearance? Either way, she doesn’t need more stress.

It seems like he doesn't realize he doesn't have licensing rights though?? Or he's just so arrogant he doesn't care. Either way I think he's about to learn some things.

 

[MacMadame]

Next season, the theme will be "music from the 1920s", because it's rights free/public domain, it's so old.

But they'd still have to get the rights to a particular performance/recording. Unless they only skate to really old recordings of really old music.

People in show business and sports should avoid talking politics. You are always going to have half of the people angry at you. You risk damaging your career.

Not necessarily half. Not all opinions are 50/50.

Hopefully it would include Goodbye Earl.

It would if I ran the world. Especially since the 120 bpm requirement would also be gone.

 

[VGThuy]

So, I googled him and he is very involved with Magic the Gathering and illustrates cards. I wonder if that’s why she chose his piece. That must suck to be treated that way by someone who is a big part of something you’re a huge fan of.

 

[Lara]

Going back to the Amber situation, do you all think this is a case of the songwriter not wanting his music used (for whatever reason), but he doesn’t have the licensing rights, so he has no control over whether Amber can use it or not if she already received proper clearance? Either way, she doesn’t need more stress.

I imagine that must be the case? We’ve put up with very time-limited on demand videos and music replacement on YouTube the last quad, surely USFS hasn’t dropped the ball on this. I certainly hope not anyway.

But even if he has no legal recourse it’s still unfortunate for Amber.

 

[Theatregirl1122]

Even if he has no control over the rights, and therefore no legal recourse, I bet it feels shitty to choose to skate to someone’s music and have them be angry about it

 

[BittyBug]

According to this article, he seems to think he does have the rights:

US figure skater Amber Glenn faces backlash over politics and copyright issues after Olympic gold

Amber Glenn wins Olympic gold in the team event but faces backlash over her political and LGBTQ+ comments.

apnews.com

According to McKinnon, “The deal I have with my label is that I alone can give the OK to license my music.”

I hope this is resolved in Amber’s favor.

 

[Theatregirl1122]

According to this article, he seems to think he does have the rights:

US figure skater Amber Glenn faces backlash over politics and copyright issues after Olympic gold

Amber Glenn wins Olympic gold in the team event but faces backlash over her political and LGBTQ+ comments.

apnews.com

I hope this is resolved in Amber’s favor.

Me too. I don't understand how so many people found out before the games that their music wasn't cleared and yet somehow this would have slipped through the cracks.

 

[rfisher]

Me too. I don't understand how so many people found out before the games that their music wasn't cleared and yet somehow this would have slipped through the cracks.

Or like Gummenik who has used the same music all season including at the Olympic qualifier and it wasn't an issue until this week. And, in his case he uses music from the same film for his free skate and it's OK. No wonder skaters just use 18th and 19th century music. Carmen FTW!

 

[Former Lurve Goddess]

Interesting that there haven’t yet been any more in depth reports on the Amber Glenn music rights situation. So far all of the media articles are just taking from the original AP reporting.

 

[Private Citizen]

Dixie Chicks.

Anyways, what would a Dixie Chicks 90s RD look like?

They dropped "Dixie" and are just The Chicks now, and have been for quite some time.

Samuelson and Bates had an amazing OD to Long Time Gone and White Trash Wedding. One of my favorite ever ice dance programs. I'm not sure it would be possible in today's overly PC environment, but I loved it. Original, funny, clever, inventive.

When I was looking for country songs earlier in the season for a RD, I didn't find a lot of Dixie Chicks songs that met the 120bpm requirement. I'm sure someone will come along to correct me on that though, lol.

I suppose people could just do what everyone has done and use a remix. Chock and Bates are using Quavo's 2024 "Fly," which is a remixed version of Lenny Kravitz's "Fly Away." (I actually like the remix better than the original.) Many other dances seem to have much more recent remixes of 90s songs.

So, I googled him and he is very involved with Magic the Gathering and illustrates cards. I wonder if that’s why she chose his piece. That must suck to be treated that way by someone who is a big part of something you’re a huge fan of.

Not to get overly political, but it seems like it could be a conservative person not wanting a liberal to use his music. People have celebrated the reverse over and over, so the shoe on the other foot seems entirely fair to me. Hopefully for Glenn's sake he cleared the music properly. Otherwise, what's good for the goose (Peter G) is good for the gander (Amber) and she should be working on a Plan B.

 

[ChillSkate]

I wonder if we eventually wind up in a situation where there are like 50,000 songs that have been approved and skaters need to choose among those songs. They can choose multiple songs / edit them together, etc but there is a universe of pre-approved songs to pick from.

 

[Bulletsdad]

They dropped "Dixie" and are just The Chicks now, and have been for quite some time.

Samuelson and Bates had an amazing OD to Long Time Gone and White Trash Wedding. One of my favorite ever ice dance programs. I'm not sure it would be possible in today's overly PC environment, but I loved it. Original, funny, clever, inventive.



I suppose people could just do what everyone has done and use a remix. Chock and Bates are using Quavo's 2024 "Fly," which is a remixed version of Lenny Kravitz's "Fly Away." (I actually like the remix better than the original.) Many other dances seem to have much more recent remixes of 90s songs.



Not to get overly political, but it seems like it could be a conservative person not wanting a liberal to use his music. People have celebrated the reverse over and over, so the shoe on the other foot seems entirely fair to me. Hopefully for Glenn's sake he cleared the music properly. Otherwise, what's good for the goose (Peter G) is good for the gander (Amber) and she should be working on a Plan B.

Seb McKinnon is now following Amber on Instagram, so it looks like you'll be disappointed.

 

[my little pony]

what a great time to bring back the CDs!

 

[Private Citizen]

Seb McKinnon is now following Amber on Instagram, so it looks like you'll be disappointed.

I'm not disappointed. I like Amber Glenn and want her to do well. I hope she followed the proper protocol on music clearance, and it's great if she and the musician can be on good terms despite their political differences.

 

[skategal]

Dixie Chicks.

Anyways, what would a Dixie Chicks 90s RD look like?

It would be awesome.

 

[Miezekatze]

What I find most funny about that stuff is that people like Madonna or Elton John get excited when skaters use their music and some random nobodies that 95% of the world havn't ever heard of don't want their music to be played somewhere where new people might actually hear it (I checked out the singer that Guinnard & Fabri use the first time yesterday for example, cause they linked her in their story, which is a great way to get some people interested outside your usual market)

 

[Private Citizen]

I find it funny, too, because I would also take the view that all publicity is good publicity.

OTOH, I can't imagine people wanting to run out and buy that god awful version of "The House of the Rising Sun" that started the music rights mess. We've also complained incessantly about Amber's generic boring background music for years. I can't imagine anyone wanting to download that except to play on an elevator or as hold music.

I doubt these people are seeing any uptick in sales simply because their music is so bad. It's probably the first big publicity some of these people are ever getting. A skater or team's usage is deluding them into thinking that their music is better / worth more than it is. .

 

[floridaice]

what a great time to bring back the CDs!

Yes

 

[my little pony]

remember improv on ice where they picked their music out of a bowl or something, we could try that too

 

[VGThuy]

I don’t have X formerly known as Twitter (as Siri still calls it), but apparently he backtracked, apologized, and congratulated her. Is that true?

 

[my little pony]

yes they were schooled in their own comments and said they didnt understand before and added "huge congratz"

 

[Karen-W]

I don’t have X formerly known as Twitter (as Siri still calls it), but apparently he backtracked, apologized, and congratulated her. Is that true?

I saw a screenshot to that effect, yes.

 

[Vagabond]

I am confused. Didn't MacKinnon receive a commission to write the music for a movie, for which the producers hired someone else to perform? If so, why would he have retained the copyright notwithstanding the commission? Wouldn't his retaining the copyright make it very hard for the producers to distribute the movie or release the soundtrack?

ETA: Thank you, @VGThuy and @Karen-W for clearing things up.

 

[Skaterbob]

I'm still surprised all artists don't react like Tin or Eva Cassidy's family. I guess that is their right but then I look at the CDs of all the artists that Michelle Kwan skated to that I would have never bought otherwise.

 

[Former Lurve Goddess]

I am confused. Didn't MacKinnon receive a commission to write the music for a movie, for which the producers hired someone else to perform? If so, why would he have retained the copyright notwithstanding the commission? Wouldn't his retaining the copyright make it very hard for the producers to distribute the movie or release the soundtrack?

ETA: Thank you, @VGThuy and @Karen-W for clearing things up.

Not an expert on this when it comes to music (I know more about this when it comes to books), but copyright and reuse permissions rights holding aren’t necessarily the same. Here’s a bit of info on music copyright law in Canada.

 

[Finnice]

People in show business and sports should avoid talking politics. You are always going to have half of the people angry at you. You risk damaging your career.

How about the freedom of speech?
Ok, I know this is PI.