2026 4CC - Women Short Program

[tony]

No, you didn't. You gave a condescending three word response with no actual defense of the PCS marks that Chiba received, Tony. All we know is that, as usual, you believe skating skills is somehow more important than the other two marks in PCS. Chiba's score, even discounting Aoki being hosed, is indefensible for how she skated today.

Karen, you turn every thread into this. I'm on my phone typing, making videos for social media, and coming back here. Not typing all furiously in the PBP thread which is what you 100% do. I said Aoki deserved the highest PCS marks here by far. She should EASILY be in the 9s. I've said this probably all year.

I don't know what point you constantly try to make, but I'll keep reading what I actually meant from the queen of condescending replies. I fully expect a 'shut the fcuk up' or 'get over yourself' because that's all you seem to know.

And ETA, which you won't bother to see because you'll have typed out an entire reply after .02 seconds, this was what I said:

For me, Aoki really should’ve run away with the PCS here. Since she has such a late skating order for the free, I hope she nails it and actually does get rewarded for once.

 

[Karen-W]

I’m just following your PBP. But if the Oly panel judges like this, the US might not medal. Even I think skating skills aren’t everything.

I don't think so. The US sent our B-team to 4CCs while Japan sent 2/3 of their A-team. Nakai and Chiba both qualified for the GPF and the international panels have been taking a hose to the American women apart from the Big Three all season.

 

[Karen-W]

Karen, you turn every thread into this. I'm on my phone typing, making videos for social media, and coming back here. Not typing all furiously in the PBP thread which is what you 100% do. I said Aoki deserved the highest PCS marks here by far. She should EASILY be in the 9s. I've said this probably all year.

I don't know what point you constantly try to make, but I'll keep reading what I actually meant from the queen of condescending replies. I fully expect a 'shut the fcuk up' or 'get over yourself' because that's all you seem to know.

Tony, no one asked for an explanation of what you are doing that prevents you from explaining what defense there is for Chiba's marks. Other than you can't give one so you're deflecting and trying to bait me into a ridiculous fight in a pbp thread once again. Unfortunately for you, I have to work in 8 hours, so I'm going to bed and won't be responding to whatever else you come up with to avoid answering the question I posed about Chiba's PCS marks. Have a blessed night.

 

[tony]

Tony, no one asked for an explanation of what you are doing that prevents you from explaining what defense there is for Chiba's marks. Other than you can't give one so you're deflecting and trying to bait me into a ridiculous fight in a pbp thread once again. Unfortunately for you, I have to work in 8 hours, so I'm going to bed and won't be responding to whatever else you come up with to avoid answering the question I posed about Chiba's PCS marks. Have a blessed night.

Once again, I didn't defend Chiba's marks over Aoki's. For the third time now, I said Aoki should have run away with PCS so why would I try to explain Chiba's marks over hers? I don't agree with it, clearly! I mean make it make sense. I said Aoki belongs in the 9's. Again.

And with that another episode of the Karen tells everyone to learn to read but doesn't do it herself. And then says I'm the one baiting. LOL.

 

[MacMadame]

Well, I want to know how Chiba's PCS were higher than Nakai's. Including SS. If you rush through your program on shallower edges than normal, you shouldn't have the highest SS of the night. Not to mention significantly higher CO and tied on PR.

My explanation is that they wanted to keep her ahead of Daleman.

 

[tangerine dream]

Well, I want to know how Chiba's PCS were higher than Nakai's. Including SS.

We all know the explanation. The PCS weren't based on what happened on the ice.

 

[annie_mg]

The most glorious skater there is. I just love her. Really she may be my absolute favorite of all the women in a long time.

If there were ever a place for a 10.00 PCS score, especially the free skate where. Every. Last. Movement. is choreographed to perfection.

It's not that every movement is choreographed to perfection (which, it is). It's that she actually moves her body in a way that accentuates every beat of the music, because she feels it in every bone. That's not choreography, it's exceptional musicality.

I believe most choreographers create programs that match the music, but most skaters just...skate through them.

This is a gift. She is truly a gem.

 

[Private Citizen]

Nakai and Aoki 1-2 is such a great result . I'd have reversed the order, but they're both great skaters who bring so much to any event they're in.

In comparison, Chiba is the most overrated skater in the world . I've seen her live, and I don't think her movements and speed are exceptional as people make them out to be. (Jia Shin, OTOH, is that good.) I've come to expect outrageous judging of Chiba. Her rotation issues and blatant flutz also seem to be ignored, even as others get called. I'd put her PCS well behind Aoki and even with Nakai on Skating Skills with maybe a slight advantage to Chiba on the other two marks when she doesn't fall.

Not surprised at the US ladiezzzz. Tennell's combo this season has been pretty consistently 3Lz!+3T< and in -3/4 territory. She also has a tendency, as she did here, to give up levels on her spins despite being a generally good spinner. The calling at Nationals could've, but didn't, reflect all of this.

Everhardt hit with a q. I'm not convinced she's a personality away from a world medal. She has had a lot of rotation issues this season, and her jumps seem habitually short due to what looks like slightly delayed rotation? Almost every jump deserves a q in my book, and her success may be dependent on a caller. If she wants a world medal, or even another 4CC medal, she's going to need to clean up the rotations, watch the flip entry edge (in the free), and add in a more difficult element.

 

[SkateFanBerlin]

Haven't gone through thread yet. But, Starr Andrew seems underscored. All these 1< GOEs. Doesn't reflect how strong she is - solid jumps. Excellent spins, speed in/out. And feel for music throughout.

 

[Coco]

Gabi had 2nd highest cumulative GOE in a strong field! The girl is back! For SPs at least

 

[Skaterbob]

Gabi had 2nd highest cumulative GOE in a strong field! The girl is back! For SPs at least

Is she actually back though like for more than this season?

 

[Skaterbob]

For me Ami really peaked in France in the short. I haven't seen that same skater since and I was so excited for her. Maybe I should go watch that program again because I might just have had rose colored glasses on. Chiba, I dunno what is going on there besides nerves and iffy jumps. Aoki and Starr were the stars today for me. Gabby is honorable mention but seemed a bit sloppy in the actual program.

 

[4rkidz]

Sofia’s program is also choreographed brilliantly and her skating is so good. One day she’ll get the PCS she deserves.

I am really confused with the constant underscoring? Always been one of my favourites.

 

[Evgeniafan]

I am really confused with the constant underscoring? Always been one of my favourites.

Mine too.

 

[Private Citizen]

I am really confused with the constant underscoring?

Flutz on the solo jump and underrotation on the combo put Sofia S. in a GOE deficit. Level 3 v. 4 spins also cost her a bit in base value.

Can't argue with her placement behind Starr Andrews, who had lighter base value but very clean elements and all level 4s on spins and steps. Tennell had similar issues to Sofia, but I suppose benefited from both issues (flutz and ur) being on the same element, so at least her solo jump had good GOE.

 

[Coco]

Shout out to whoever does the skating scores website. It is awesome!

 

[4rkidz]

Flutz on the solo jump and underrotation on the combo put Sofia S. in a GOE deficit. Level 3 v. 4 spins also cost her a bit in base value.

Can't argue with her placement behind Starr Andrews, who had lighter base value but very clean elements and all level 4s on spins and steps. Tennell had similar issues to Sofia, but I suppose benefited from both issues (flutz and ur) being on the same element, so at least her solo jump had good GOE.

oh thanks for the explanation!

 

[deegee]

It's not that every movement is choreographed to perfection (which, it is). It's that she actually moves her body in a way that accentuates every beat of the music, because she feels it in every bone. That's not choreography, it's exceptional musicality.

I believe most choreographers create programs that match the music, but most skaters just...skate through them.

This is a gift. She is truly a gem.

trying to catch up on these pbps... who is this about, please?

 

[her grace]

Side eyeing Chiba's score, but she's not the only world medalist who benefits from PCS inflation.

I don't think her SP's style of movement is natural to Chiba, who seems made to interpret music like Rachmaninov or Schindler's List. Sometimes it works for her: I did think that she gave the SP verve and sass at the GP Final, but when she tightens up, the whole thing falls flat.

Now how that should affect her PCS mark? Here's the ISU's definition of PRESENTATION:

the demonstration of engagement, commitment and involvement based on an understanding of the music and composition. In evaluating the Presentation, the following must be considered:

- Expressiveness and projection;

- Variety and contrast of energy and of movements;

- Musical sensitivity and timing;

- Oneness and awareness of space (Pair Skating, Ice Dance).

And on the ISU's Components Chart, these are further defined. For example, expressiveness and projection means: "Through complete personal involvement in the program, the skater(s) express(es) and project(s) a mood, feeling, image, rhythm or style as inspired by the musical selection and by the specific style of the dance. Confident presentation of one’s body and energy to communicate a feeling. Ability to capture the viewer, to arouse emotions."

I'd argue that today's SP for Chiba was clinical and nervous and didn't express the mood or rhythm as well as other skaters did. Now the other two components are about technique and program construction (transitions, layout of elements, variety of edges, etc.) and those tend to be less affected regardless of how the program is going because she has good basics.

 

[PRlady]

trying to catch up on these pbps... who is this about, please?

Yuna Aoki.

 

[annie_mg]

trying to catch up on these pbps... who is this about, please?

Yuna Aoki!

 

[LilJen]

Yeah, if someone could burn Nakai’s dress and get her something different, that would be okay. Familiarity has not led me to be any less visually confused by it.

And yes, Yuna Aoki is lovely to watch.

 

[LilJen]

LMAO - 68.05 for a subdued program with rushed elements and a fall? And the highest PCS of the night? C'mon, judges... That's some reputation judging there.

Both jumps in her combo had hooky landings…