Britney Spears

becca said:
We don’t know what she knows she isn’t even allowed to pick her own lawyer. One of Britney’s ex boyfriends has stated she has been asking for them to take away the conservation and been ignored.

I want to be clear I am saying there may be a reason she is on it but I do think California laws are messed up.

people shouldn’t be able to benefit financially like Britney’s family is and they Should not be forced to work.
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A quick search of the internet yielded this in the NYT:

“I didn’t know I could petition the conservatorship to be ended,” Ms. Spears, 39, told the judge during a live feed of the hearing. “I’m sorry for my ignorance, but I honestly didn’t know that.” She added, “My attorney says I can’t — it’s not good, I can’t let the public know anything they did to me.

It is simply silly to think that she could not have petitioned the court.
Britney could have walked into any law office, and found an attorney who would have either represented her, pointed her in the right direction, or helped her draft a petition herself to submit to the court.

She is not without funds. And, you can hire an attorney for $1.00, with an agreement to pay later.

A brief submitted to the court has to be reviewed and considered. And shoot! she could have filed papers herself. The necessary papers and instructions are available online for the LASC.

IMO her "statement" in court did more to underline her need for a conservancy than to plead her case. “Now I’m telling you the truth, OK?” Ms. Spears said. “I’m not happy. I can’t sleep. I’m so angry it’s insane.”

It appears that she did not submit a formal statement but rather was given permission to talk. If granted permission by the court to speak, a person can say any whakadoodle thing they like as long as they are not stopped by the Judge. Britney simply standing in court talking does not carry a lot of weight. She was not (to my knowledge) sworn in, nor was she questioned as would be expected. Her verbal statement cannot be taken as truth. Could it be true? Sure. Could it be false?

In the words of Elle Woods: On our very first day at Harvard, a very wise professor quoted Aristotle: "The law is reason free from passion."

I would assume she is perfectly capable to handle this matter in the legal paths available to her. If she is not capable of doing that, or just chooses not to, that speaks to her need for a conservator. There are not a separte set of rules if you are famous and wealthy (remember she is not without money).

BTW - if Britney took out her IUD, and got pregnant. What is anyone going to do about that? Fine her? Hold her in contempt? Nada is the answer to that.
 
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AxelAnnie said:
A quick search of the internet yielded this in the NYT:

“I didn’t know I could petition the conservatorship to be ended,” Ms. Spears, 39, told the judge during a live feed of the hearing. “I’m sorry for my ignorance, but I honestly didn’t know that.” She added, “My attorney says I can’t — it’s not good, I can’t let the public know anything they did to me.”
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She is saying she didn’t know she could petition the court. Britany’s own brother has said she has wanted it to end for a long time.
 
I didn't want to post in this thread, but there is a lot of ignorance and misinformation here regarding bipolar disorder.
There are medications which are safe for pregnant women.
In my 20+ years work with the mentally ill population, I've seen many individuals with bipolar disorder live safe, happy lives.
The lack of understanding and compassion expressed here by some posters is hateful and hurtful.
 
overedge said:
You apparently don't understand US election laws, so I doubt you're any more of an expert on California's estate or conservator laws.
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She has posted, I believe, about a child dealing with addiction issues, so it is possible that she has some exposure regarding conservatorship laws in California. Of course, such exposure may have little in common with the unfortunate situation in which Britney Spears has been trapped.
 
Sparks said:
I didn't want to post in this thread, but there is a lot of ignorance and misinformation here regarding bipolar disorder.
There are medications which are safe for pregnant women.
In my 20+ years work with the mentally ill population, I've seen many individuals with bipolar disorder live safe, happy lives.
The lack of understanding and compassion expressed here by some posters is hateful and hurtful.
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Both my sisters, one daughter-in-law, and one granddaughter suffer from bipolar disorder. With the exception of my granddaughter (who they have not been able to stabilize with medication - and she has been all over the country with her parents trying to find something that works) they are all living safe, happy lives. I would wager that my mother was bipolar. There were simply neither the diagnostic tools nor the medications available for her....poor thing.
Both parents of this granddaughter are attorneys. She does not have the kind of assets or someone like Britney....so she doesn't need that part managed, but she is in conservancy that manages many aspects of her life.
Does this young woman like being told what to do


And, yes there are medications that can work successfully during pregnancy.

WEB MD

Bipolar Medications During Pregnancy
"Some women continue taking bipolar medications and have healthy babies. But a few bipolar medications have an increased risk of birth defects in the first trimester. That includes defects such as:
  • Neural tube defects
  • Heart defects
  • Developmental delay or neurobehavioral problems
Web MD

"Your doctor may suggest stopping some medicines but continuing others, because, for some women, the mental health risks of stopping medication are greater than the possible (or unknown) risks -- if any -- of continuing it. Psychiatrists with expertise in women's health often advise continuing certain psychiatric medicines during pregnancy along with regular tests to check on the health of your baby. But whatever you do, don't stop taking medications without first talking with your doctor."

Complications of Bipolar Disorder in Pregnancy​

"Few studies have been done on bipolar disorder and pregnancy, so not enough is known about the risks of untreated bipolar disorder or the risks and benefits of medications during pregnancy. And the factors that lead to relapse during pregnancy are not clear.

Bipolar disorder, however, can worsen during pregnancy. Pregnant women or new mothers with bipolar disorder have seven times the risk of hospital admissions compared to pregnant women who do not have bipolar disorder."
 
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Sparks said:
I didn't want to post in this thread, but there is a lot of ignorance and misinformation here regarding bipolar disorder.
There are medications which are safe for pregnant women.
In my 20+ years work with the mentally ill population, I've seen many individuals with bipolar disorder live safe, happy lives.
The lack of understanding and compassion expressed here by some posters is hateful and hurtful.
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That’s awesome. I know a few people (previously) with bipolar but I am not an expert Nor a medical professional.
 
As one of my Facebook friends asked....name a male star/artist who has a bipolar type illness who is being forced into a situation like Britney. This is patriarchal situation and certainly her father should not be in charge

I think there are also other medications that can be used to bipolar illness.

I think it is travesty to be forced to have an IUD. And to have that forced by a father?
 
Shlll
AxelAnnie said:
By no means do I claim or believe myself to be an expert in any of this stuff. I do work in the legal field in CA. (land that still does not make me any kind of expert.)

Both my sisters, one daughter-in-law, and one granddaughter suffer from bipolar disorder. With the exception of my granddaughter (who they have not been able to stabilize with medication - and she has been all over the country with her parents trying to find something that works) they are all living safe, happy lives. I would wager that my mother was bipolar. There were simply neither the diagnostic tools nor the medications available for her....poor thing.

Both my granddaughter's parents are attorneys in CA. This young woman (not rich by any means) is in a conservatorship. Does she like being told what to do? That would be a no. Does she continue to need help - that would be a yes.

My youngest child is an alcoholic and drug addict. That is a totally different can of worms. All this child wanted growing up (well, after she was old enough to stop wanting to be a princes) was a mother. That was not to be. Makes me cry for her just thinking about it.

And, yes there are medications that can work successfully during pregnancy.

WEB MD

Bipolar Medications During Pregnancy
"Some women continue taking bipolar medications and have healthy babies. But a few bipolar medications have an increased risk of birth defects in the first trimester. That includes defects such as:
  • Neural tube defects
  • Heart defects
  • Developmental delay or neurobehavioral problems
Web MD

"Your doctor may suggest stopping some medicines but continuing others, because, for some women, the mental health risks of stopping medication are greater than the possible (or unknown) risks -- if any -- of continuing it. Psychiatrists with expertise in women's health often advise continuing certain psychiatric medicines during pregnancy along with regular tests to check on the health of your baby. But whatever you do, don't stop taking medications without first talking with your doctor."

Complications of Bipolar Disorder in Pregnancy​

"Few studies have been done on bipolar disorder and pregnancy, so not enough is known about the risks of untreated bipolar disorder or the risks and benefits of medications during pregnancy. And the factors that lead to relapse during pregnancy are not clear.

Bipolar disorder, however, can worsen during pregnancy. Pregnant women or new mothers with bipolar disorder have seven times the risk of hospital admissions compared to pregnant women who do not have bipolar disorder."
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Here is the thing something tells me your family isn’t profiting financially from this situation.
I would like to think hope to think there are sound reasons we don’t know of but let’s point out Daddy has a restraining order out on him for his grandkids
 
Family and caregivers of the mentally ill not only have their own incredible pain and confusion to deal with but the observations, suggestions, criticisms of everyone, including the professionals. When things are dire you find few are there by your side offering a caring word or hand. Words cannot describe the appreciation i feel for those who stood by us for those terrible years. I recall a time when our daughter was on a very strong anti-psychotic that greatly increased her appetite. Always a slim girl and healthy eater, she ate constantly, even in the middle of the night. I saw the pounds going on and knew in all likelihood she was going to come out of this 100 lbs heavier. i decided she was not choosing to eat, she was compelled to eat by the chemicals. I put most of the food in a downstairs room and locked it. I left her healthy options and 3 times a day we would eat normally. Everyone condemned me - my daughter, my husband, my other children, and her counsellor called me an overly controlling and unfit mother. Another medication was found and she immediately went back to her old eating habits. Did I do the right thing? Who knows? I can sleep with the decision I made. So - judge me if you will.

There were many times that our relationship was almost destroyed. Even after she was well, she had a lot of anger at us and others. There is light at the end of the tunnel though. She and I are very close. She calls me almost every night. We have a normal mother/daughter relationship. We have a great deal to be grateful for.

None of us will have any impact on Britney but we can reach out to those in our sphere of influence who are suffering from a mental illness or have a loved one who is.
 
becca said:
Shlll

Here is the thing something tells me your family isn’t profiting financially from this situation.
I would like to think hope to think there are sound reasons we don’t know of but let’s point out Daddy has a restraining order out on him for his grandkids
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Who me? Did someone think little (actually I am tall) think I was profetting from Brittany spurs? I am sure you are joking.

The closest I ever got to anything Spears was on the way to Stars on Ice a million years ago realizing the two 5 year olds inn the in the back of my car were listening to something called HIT ME BABY ONE MOTE TIME, which earned them confiscation of whatever device they had. Good times. Good times.
 
once_upon said:
As one of my Facebook friends asked....name a male star/artist who has a bipolar type illness who is being forced into a situation like Britney. This is patriarchal situation and certainly her father should not be in charge

I think there are also other medications that can be used to bipolar illness.

I think it is travesty to be forced to have an IUD. And to have that forced by a father?
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I keep wondering who is enforcing her to use an IUD? And how they regulate it.
 
AxelAnnie said:
Who me? Did someone think little (actually I am tall) think I was profetting from Brittany spurs? I am sure you are joking.

The closest I ever got to anything Spears was on the way to Stars on Ice a million years ago realizing the two 5 year olds inn the in the back of my car were listening to something called HIT ME BABY ONE MOTE TIME, which earned them confiscation of whatever device they had. Good times. Good times.
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Just out of curiousity, what's wrong with that song?
 
AxelAnnie said:
Who me? Did someone think little (actually I am tall) think I was profetting from Brittany spurs? I am sure you are joking.

The closest I ever got to anything Spears was on the way to Stars on Ice a million years ago realizing the two 5 year olds inn the in the back of my car were listening to something called HIT ME BABY ONE MOTE TIME, which earned them confiscation of whatever device they had. Good times. Good times.
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I meant Britney’s family is profiting.

Your family isnt but Britney’s is
 
DFJ said:
Just out of curiousity, what's wrong with that song?
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All I knew in that instant was the literal HIT ME BABY ONE MORE TIME which they were singing with gusto didn't have connotation they should be singing about. All I could think of abuse or asking for another round of sex. Please remember the context.
 
AxelAnnie said:
All I knew in that instant was the literal HIT ME BABY ONE MORE TIME which they were singing with gusto didn't have connotation they should be singing about. All I could think of abuse or asking for another round of sex. Please remember the context.
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Interesting. That's not something that would have occurred to me but I had seen the video and knew what the song was about.
 
DFJ said:
Interesting. That's not something that would have occurred to me but I had seen the video and knew what the song was about.
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That is what my Daughter in law said when I returned the kids.
But what do I know? I am older than dirt. My point of reference is the original Micky Mouse Club and Claudette Colbert movies :)
 
AxelAnnie said:
That is what my Daughter in law said when I returned the kids.
But what do I know? I am older than dirt. My point of reference is the original Micky Mouse Club and Claudette Colbert movies :)
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I'm pretty old too but I had my kids really young so we pretty much listened to the same music. I wasn't a Britney Spears fan (thought she was a cute, talented young girl). I had the pleasure of having a teenage girl during the Madonna craze. Now that was a challenge.
 
DFJ said:
I'm pretty old too but I had my kids really young so we pretty much listened to the same music. I wasn't a Britney Spears fan (thought she was a cute, talented young girl). I had the pleasure of having a teenage girl during the Madonna craze. Now that was a challenge.
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Lucky!
 
AxelAnnie said:
I keep wondering who is enforcing her to use an IUD? And how they regulate it.
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Do you understand what an IUD is? You talk about it like it's a diaphragm or the now discontinued sponge. It's something that is inserted into your vagina by a medical professional. It stays in until a medical professional takes it out, usually in about 5 years. So
(a) you can't put it in yourself
(b) you can't take it out yourself
(c) once it's in, it works for years with no further work on the part of the user
 
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There is an IUD called paraGuard that does not release or affect hormones and apparently can be left in as long as twelve years. That, or something like that, is probably what she has. None of us know how or even if she became vey ill after the birth of her sons, or she if remembers those days.
 
AxelAnnie said:
A quick search of the internet yielded this in the NYT:

“I didn’t know I could petition the conservatorship to be ended,” Ms. Spears, 39, told the judge during a live feed of the hearing. “I’m sorry for my ignorance, but I honestly didn’t know that.” She added, “My attorney says I can’t — it’s not good, I can’t let the public know anything they did to me.

It is simply silly to think that she could not have petitioned the court.
Britney could have walked into any law office, and found an attorney who would have either represented her, pointed her in the right direction, or helped her draft a petition herself to submit to the court.

She is not without funds. And, you can hire an attorney for $1.00, with an agreement to pay later.

A brief submitted to the court has to be reviewed and considered. And shoot! she could have filed papers herself. The necessary papers and instructions are available online for the LASC.

IMO her "statement" in court did more to underline her need for a conservancy than to plead her case. “Now I’m telling you the truth, OK?” Ms. Spears said. “I’m not happy. I can’t sleep. I’m so angry it’s insane.”

It appears that she did not submit a formal statement but rather was given permission to talk. If granted permission by the court to speak, a person can say any whakadoodle thing they like as long as they are not stopped by the Judge. Britney simply standing in court talking does not carry a lot of weight. She was not (to my knowledge) sworn in, nor was she questioned as would be expected. Her verbal statement cannot be taken as truth. Could it be true? Sure. Could it be false?

In the words of Elle Woods: On our very first day at Harvard, a very wise professor quoted Aristotle: "The law is reason free from passion."

I would assume she is perfectly capable to handle this matter in the legal paths available to her. If she is not capable of doing that, or just chooses not to, that speaks to her need for a conservator. There are not a separte set of rules if you are famous and wealthy (remember she is not without money).

BTW - if Britney took out her IUD, and got pregnant. What is anyone going to do about that? Fine her? Hold her in contempt? Nada is the answer to that.
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puglover said:
I recall a time when our daughter was on a very strong anti-psychotic that greatly increased her appetite. Always a slim girl and healthy eater, she ate constantly, even in the middle of the night. I saw the pounds going on and knew in all likelihood she was going to come out of this 100 lbs heavier. i decided she was not choosing to eat, she was compelled to eat by the chemicals. I put most of the food in a downstairs room and locked it. I left her healthy options and 3 times a day we would eat normally. Everyone condemned me - my daughter, my husband, my other children, and her counsellor called me an overly controlling and unfit mother. Another medication was found and she immediately went back to her old eating habits. Did I do the right thing? Who knows? I can sleep with the decision I made. So - judge me if you will.
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As to whether you did the right thing, I would think you acted with your daughter's best interests in mind and that your daughter did not want to gain a ton of weight, but would hope that you discussed the issue and your decision

puglover said:
There were many times that our relationship was almost destroyed. Even after she was well, she had a lot of anger at us and others. There is light at the end of the tunnel though. She and I are very close. She calls me almost every night. We have a normal mother/daughter relationship. We have a great deal to be grateful for.
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Glad to hear that. Mental illness can tear a family apart.
 
Japanfan said:
As to whether you did the right thing, I would think you acted with your daughter's best interests in mind and that your daughter did not want to gain a ton of weight, but would hope that you discussed the issue and your decision



Glad to hear that. Mental illness can tear a family apart.
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It sure as hell can.
 
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