From Russia With Love [#38]: Fall/Winter 2020

[Scott512]

Very credible triple axel attempt from Kamila today, in real time it looked kind of a mess but in slow mo it seemed fully rotated, idk how they scored it tho. Love the music, hate the dress.

Why do you hate the dress? To frilly or something?

I am thinking they're trying to give Kamila a longer dress to make her look more ladylike and not like a junior.

 

[MsZem]

My son's hockey coach (young and super-fit) caught C19 and was really sick. He said 3 days were terrible, a bad flu + stomach bug bundle. He got better quickly but had persistent loss of smell and taste. Here's the weird part. None of the kids or parent caught it. The coach got sick 4 days prior to a tournament and we all got tested. The schools are also open since September. There have been 2 confirmed cases in my son's middle school; they traced / quarantined kids in immediate contact. Nothing happened.

It's not weird at all. A small percentage of people appear to be the cause of most of the cases, just due to being at the wrong (crowded) place at the wrong time in their infection, and possibly because they have some tendency to shed more viirus. And fit people can end up with bad cases, like the late Nick Cordero.

What happened at Rostelecom was just beyond irresponsible. The vast majority of people, even the most frail, won't die - but why would you take that risk when you have coaches like Mishin and Moskvina? I'm not advocating for shutting down everything, just following reasonable precautions.

 

[barbarafan]

Are you ****ing kidding me with this?
This is now the leading cause of death in the US. We had 2,637 new deaths from this yesterday and are hitting numbers close to that daily. Just because some people get it and it's just like a bad cold or stomach bug for them and some people are asymptomatic doesn't mean it's not a frigging deadly plague raging out of control right now since so many people think we are all having an overreaction to the deaths we are surrounded by daily. Yes, "most" people recover. Many of those people become deathly ill and it's not just a cold or stomach bug for them. Many of those people have long term health issues from it (I got it in early April and I am still not fully back to normal). Many of us have lost friends, family, and community members to this. Hospitals are becoming completely overwhelmed. I will never understand the mentality of people who, just because it hasn't directly affected them or their communities (yet) in a way that slaps them hard with the reality of what this means for 240,000 and counting grieving families they are dismissive of the reality of how bad things really are and will be.

Exactly, and even though it is 240,000 dead they were not counting PPL in prisons and a lot of senior residences are not in that total.
Here in Mtl two weeks before Worlds there were zero cases in Quebec. 2 days b4 cancellation zero cases. next day 1 case and 3 others that afternoon. The morning of cancelllation one person died and we were at 10 cases. I was not pleased with the cancellation at that time but by the end of the next week I realized how smart it was to do so. There are so many thousands now and although some places are open the majority of PPL follow all the rules set out and as far as masks go there are fines of up to $6000.00 if you are caught in the wrong place without a mask.

 

[mjb52]

Sorry, could we get back to Russian skating? Otherwise, I will be tempted to share my thoughts on this, which I think we would all prefer I not do.

 

[zebraswan]

Dmitry Rylov's mother was very ill in the hospital for awhile, and she looked very young. Anastasia Shpilevaya also had a serious enough case that it derailed her career for at least the time being. Zhenya and a few others may end up with no competition this season at all thanks to YKW, even if their cases are on the mild end. Nobody knows who is going to get it bad or having lasting effects. It truly is Russian roulette.

 

[Perky Shae Lynn]

I don't know, maybe read a legitimate newspaper to find out?

LEGITIMATE NEWSPAPER? Lol.

 

[Lana's Box]

LEGITIMATE NEWSPAPER? Lol.

The Onion just reported that C***d Vaccine Won’t Shrink You Down To Size Of Ant:https://www.theonion.com/exhausted-researchers-inform-public-covid-vaccine-won-t-1845801078 - that's got to be legitimate, right?

 

[Perky Shae Lynn]

It's not weird at all. A small percentage of people appear to be the cause of most of the cases, just due to being at the wrong (crowded) place at the wrong time in their infection, and possibly because they have some tendency to shed more viirus. And fit people can end up with bad cases, like the late Nick Cordero.

The weird part was not that a young and fit person got a terrible case. We've heard that before, many times. The weird part is that out of twenty kids and 2 assistant coaches no one else tested positive. I suspect it's a case of herd immunity but who knows.

 

[MsZem]

The weird part was not that a young and fit person got a terrible case. We've heard that before, many times. The weird part is that out of twenty kids and 2 assistant coaches no one else tested positive. I suspect it's a case of herd immunity but who knows.

Yes, that's what I addressed:

A small percentage of people appear to be the cause of most of the cases, just due to being at the wrong (crowded) place at the wrong time in their infection, and possibly because they have some tendency to shed more viirus.

This is why in some places authorities prioritize tracing who/what was the superspreader and working from there to find cases (more here).

So, it's not weird at all that only one person came down with CoV19, and I wouldn't take it as an indication of herd immunity. It's likely that the infected person wasn't infectious to others when they interacted, or perhaps whatever precautions were in place were sufficient, or a combination of these things. But we can't count on that always happening, as the example of the post-Rostelecom cases clearly demonstrates (not to mention many other examples...)

 

[Perky Shae Lynn]

Yes, that's what I addressed:

This is why in some places authorities prioritize tracing who/what was the superspreader and working from there to find cases (more here).

So, it's not weird at all that only one person came down with CoV19, and I wouldn't take it as an indication of herd immunity. It's likely that the infected person wasn't infectious to others when they interacted, or perhaps whatever precautions were in place were sufficient, or a combination of these things. But we can't count on that always happening, as the example of the post-Rostelecom cases clearly demonstrates (not to mention many other examples...)

It's boys hockey. They are in small, crowded lockers room with coaches, daily, without masks. What precautions? I can see that the person was somehow not contagious. But why? We don't know all the fact. That was my point. I don't know what you are arguing here, to be honest. Where did I say we could count on this to always be the case (outcome without others being infected) or that the RusFed handled things well? My post frankly has little to do with your comments, so please don't quote me as some anti-masker or C19 denier. Thanks.

 

[MsZem]

It's boys hockey. They are in small, crowded lockers room with coaches, without masks. What precautions?

Are you selectively reading my posts? I suggested two possibilities, the first of which was that the coach in question did not interact with others at the point when he was shedding the most viirus and was most infectious. Or maybe he was never all that infectious to others, and the only harm was to himself. We're still learning about how this thing works.

I recommend the article I linked re CoV19 dispersion, and will stop at that because this is only tangentially related to Russian skating.

 

[hanca]

I wonder where Khabibullina/Kniazhuk is. They were second in their first Russian cup, but haven’t skated since then. What a shame, they could have qualified for the nationals. Hope they are not injured.

 

[Perky Shae Lynn]

I wonder where Khabibullina/Kniazhuk is.

Good question.

Also, what's going on with Vadym Kolesnik? Did he ever find a partner, beyond the rumored try-out with Anna Lavrova?

 

[Natanielle825]

Why do you hate the dress? To frilly or something?

I am thinking they're trying to give Kamila a longer dress to make her look more ladylike and not like a junior.

I don't mind a long dress necessarily. A long simple dress would be very sophisticated. It's that it's a long dress with a super busy top and long, super busy sleeves. There's just so much going on and so much fabric on a small girl, it's not elegant or beautiful in my opinion.

 

[Dobre]

My sister's final professional response to patients who refuse to believe there is a real danger because they haven't been following safety advice & haven't gotten sick is, "Well, I hope your luck continues to hold out."

I would prefer the Russian Figure Skating Federation make some more mature & responsible decisions right now to reduce the risk that members of the skating community may lose their health, their careers, or their lives. The timeline on this is not forever. Vaccine distribution is getting started; but the need for responsible decision making at every level--and especially among those folks within leadership roles--is very important in the meantime.



USFS's Qualifying System has undergone a lot of change. (Starting last season?) And yet more this year as the Federation has been flexible due to the crud.

Post #118 and #116 in the USFS Qualifying Season Plans thread are a decent place to start in order to understand the U.S.'s updated qualification system for this year. (Probably the first page of the thread as well).

 

[Tinami Amori]

From what I understand, **** is under control in Asia. Both China and Japan are hosting events with spectators.

As for all the Russians catching *****, seems like it is going around and they are recovering. Eteri and other coaches caught it as well and seems like they recovered.

Eteri and her team never had XYZ. Medvedeva is the only one and she did not catch it at the rink, because after her earlier hospital stay (for other issues) she never returned to the rink. Mishin's team did not have any XYZ cases either until "the recent party"... , so it's not a "rink" issue.

 

[Tinami Amori]

Volchkova (Butzaeva) said to the press that Erohov is skating with an injury and right after an illness (Rotavirus gastroenteritis, which put him out of circulation the previous week for 4 days). In FS skate he plans to do the 4S and two 3A's.

Буцаева: Ерохов выступает на этапе Кубка России с травмой и после болезни

Чемпион мира среди юниоров 2018 года фигурист Алексей Ерохов выступает на этапе Кубка России в Москве с травмой ноги и после инфекционного заболевания, сообщила РИА Новости Спорт, 05.12.2020

rsport.ria.ru

 

[soogar]

Are you ****ing kidding me with this?
This is now the leading cause of death in the US. We had 2,637 new deaths from this yesterday and are hitting numbers close to that daily.

It doesn't help that there are a lot of people in the United States who are unhealthy to begin with. The people with the highest risk of ***** morbidity are those who are obese, diabetes, immune suppressed, asthma and the elderly. There are a ton of people walking around with the top two conditions that can be controlled and mitigated by making healthier choices.

 

[Skibean]

It doesn't help that there are a lot of people in the United States who are unhealthy to begin with. The people with the highest risk of ***** morbidity are those who are obese, diabetes, immune suppressed, asthma and the elderly. There are a ton of people walking around with the top two conditions that can be controlled and mitigated by making healthier choices.

And yet there are reports of many very healthy people dying from this in the US. This fact should not be overlooked. Some people were born with health issues, so it not as if they could make any choices to change that. People are people. Nobody should die because they’re not as healthy as some people think they should be

 

[Maximillian]

Isn't there a health forum for this sort of talk?

 

[ЭPiKUilyam]

Isn't there a health forum for this sort of talk?

Actually, I think this information SHOULD be on a Russian skating thread. Who has been/is sick from xyz? Zhilina, Med, Alyona, Tuk, Anna (I'm sure it was just a cold/pneumonia, yarrite), all the other Russian skaters I don't care about, etc. I think it is HIGHLY important to mention xyz in this thread because it is how NOT to put on competitions, IMHO. YMMV.

 

[Frau Muller]

Why do you hate the dress? To frilly or something?

I am thinking they're trying to give Kamila a longer dress to make her look more ladylike and not like a junior.

Ladylike? They they hand her a pink stuffed toy as she comes off the ice!

 

[mjb52]

Nice interview with Vika and Nikita: https://www.goldenskate.com/2020/12/sinitsina-and-katsalapov-2/

 

[Jeschke]

Russian Cup: Final Ranking Senior Ice Dance (15 spots available)
As known, this year is more hypothetical than ever.
Green - Qualified ; Purple - Potential bye candidates; Grey - Next in line

 

[Jeschke]

Russian Cup: Final Ranking Senior Pairs (12 spots available)
As known, this year is more hypothetical than ever.
Green - Qualified ; Purple - Potential bye candidates; Grey - Next in line

 

[seabm7]

I think Tiffany and Jon withdrew from Stage V.

 

[taz'smum]

I think Tiffany and Jon withdrew from Stage V.

They did

 

[Scott512]

I don't mind a long dress necessarily. A long simple dress would be very sophisticated. It's that it's a long dress with a super busy top and long, super busy sleeves. There's just so much going on and so much fabric on a small girl, it's not elegant or beautiful in my opinion.

I think we agree that it is a very busy dress and if it was a more solid simple dress it might actually work better for her. Kamila will make it work and she does.

Ladylike? They they hand her a pink stuffed toy as she comes off the ice!

Costner would get stuffed animals in her thirties.

 

[Jeschke]

Russian Cup: Final Ranking Senior Ladies (18 spots available)
As known, this year is more hypothetical than ever.
Green - Qualified ; Purple - Potential bye candidates; Grey - Next in line

 

[Natanielle825]

Kamila's new Bolero costume is much better, thank goodness. Gonna edit my previous statement here because I went back and watched the slow-mo. Both quad toes were landed on inside edges because the axis was off, as it often is. I really hope she doesn't injure herself.
Funny how my general dislike for Eteri has been almost completely overshadowed by how much I cannot stand the sight of Daniil.