Gymnastics News #21 - Tumbling on to Tokyo

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Simple. Douglas automatically got the 3rd AA chance, not due to her AA abilities, but since Kocian and Douglas absolutely had to compete bars. That was the only reason both made the team in the first place. Well Douglas to a minor degree her AA abilities, otherwise they would have just sent Kocian and Locklear and left Douglas at home, but mainly the only reason both were there was bars. So to sit either off of bars would be stupid and unimaginable. So Douglas by default/ lucky situation gets to do AA, as there is no other event you sit her out in favor of Kocian obviously.
The US absolutely did not need Douglas to do bars. They could have put Hernandez in if they wanted to and still would have won the Team Event by more than 7 points. Douglas was given the chance to qualify for the individual AA because she was defending Olympic Champion.
 
Kerry’s days may be numbered. According to UP and posted by NBC Sports...

The new CEO of the U.S. Olympic Committee is calling for another shakeup in the leadership at USA Gymnastics in the wake of the Larry Nassar sex-abuse scandal.

Sarah Hirshland sent out a statement shortly after the gymnastics federation fired Mary Lee Tracy on Friday, only three days after it hired her as elite program coordinator. Hirshland said the federation’s activity was disappointing, and a clear sign ’the organization is struggling to manage its obligations effectively.”

Hirshland said the USOC will discuss possible changes with the USA Gymnastics board over the weekend.

It likely spells trouble for Kerry Perry, who took over as president of USA Gymnastics in November 2017. Perry has made very few public statements, and has had trouble gathering support in the gymnastics community, since taking over as part of a USOC-directed turnover of the federation’s board and senior management.

If I had any influence, I’d fire USAG’s legal team as well. They’ve botched this from the beginning.
 
Honestly the more USAG “blacklists” Raisman the more support and power she gets. I have no doubt in my mind that if she wanted to she could make the 2020 Olympic team, but I also believe that she would be among the most qualified to take on the role that Mary Lee was supposedly taking over or at least be in a position of power working within USAG. It is ridiculous that someone who was such a part of bringing the success to the program all of a sudden is the Voldemort to Galimore and whomever is leftover from the old guard. Raisman starting in 2011 after the injury to Sacramone pre competition became the “leader” of the team, those not too into gymnastics, feel free to look up commentary for competitions on Youtube starting with 2011 worlds.
 
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Perry is a mess. And USAG’s legal counsel is a disaster. And MLT obviously is wrong for the job if her tactics are accurately described by her former athletes, but contacting a survivor is not the reason to fire her three days after you hired her.
 
The US absolutely did not need Douglas to do bars. They could have put Hernandez in if they wanted to and still would have won the Team Event by more than 7 points. Douglas was given the chance to qualify for the individual AA because she was defending Olympic Champion.

They needed Douglas for bars the same way they needed Kerri Strug to do that second vault.

I agree with those who say that Aly was Marta's pet. The Karolyis always had pets. Mary Lou Retton was Bela's pet. Sacramone had "pet" status, too -- recall that they kept Sacramone on the team after her injury, rather than using an alternate to fill the spot. Sacramone did not perform a single event, but still was given a medal. Chellsie Memmel was also a pet.

Aly's status as a "pet" aside, I do believe that she was the right person for the AA over Hernandez. I watched all the podium practices: Aly was rock solid on 4 events, while Laurie was not.
 
Aly was never a “pet” she was the leader, a part of helping to get her teammates in the right mentality to be unbeatable despite the clusterf#ck of a situation they all had to endure. I honestly expected better from people that post here.
 
Aly is the exact opposite of the type of gymnast the Karolyis would have as a "pet".
I’m not part of any inner circle, but Aly strikes me as being a fairly typical New Englander with many of the region’s best and worst characteristics, many of which would clash with what we now now about The Ranch. Her mother is a firecracker and the apple rarely falls that far from the tree. Also, she went to regular public school through he junior year, something the Karolyis discouraged. I interpret her success in the Karolyi training environment as the result of her scores across the board and her levelheaded competition persona. I didn’t see “pet”.
 
It was discouraging from an administrative POV to see the appointment of Mary Lynn Tracy to that position, without even giving consideration to the comments made by Raisman or the other gymnasts. She not only supported Nassar as "amazing" even after he was charged with child pornography, but she also noted in an interview Ray Adams (convicted of child pornography & other child assault charges) was someone she trusted like a brother. If the goal of USAG is really to change the culture, then this coach would never have been considered a good candidate in the first place, based on the lapse of leadership skills in this area.
 
Pretty clear that was going to happen - probably a condition for the USOC to not decertify them.
 
USA Today just posted an article about it.

*** USA Gymnastics CEO steps down after nine months marked by chaos, lack of tangible action :
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...orced-out-following-pressure-usoc/1188567002/
Kerry Perry, whose nine-month tenure as USA Gymnastics CEO was marked by heavy criticism and little tangible action in helping the organization recover from the Larry Nassar scandal, has resigned under pressure.

Her resignation, confirmed to USA TODAY Sports by two people with knowledge of the decision, will come Tuesday. It was first reported by the Orange County Register. The two people spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter.
 
Speaking of a dumpster fire, the program had been flirting w/ disaster from the very first day USAG thought it was a smart move and a good idea to bring in Béla and Márta Károlyi. Rounding up the gymnasts over these many years and tucking them away at a secluded ranch so they could bond as a team (what a load of sh!t that was), have their diets monitored and controlled, dictated, as well as the unending, injury-causing (prove yourself) mock comps... This NEVER appeared or felt right, not once – and sadly it turns out - it wasn’t, as we've learned it was so much worse. Shame on USAG!
 
Speaking of a dumpster fire, the program had been flirting w/ disaster from the very first day USAG thought it was a smart move and a good idea to bring in Béla and Márta Károlyi. Rounding up the gymnasts over these many years and tucking them away at a secluded ranch so they could bond as a team (what a load of sh!t that was), have their diets monitored and controlled, dictated, as well as the unending, injury-causing (prove yourself) mock comps... This NEVER appeared or felt right, not once – and sadly it turns out - it wasn’t, as we've learned it was so much worse. Shame on USAG!

I don’t think regular camps is a bad idea but they shouldn’t be secluded.
 
I don’t think regular camps is a bad idea but they shouldn’t be secluded.
I do understand why camps are considered essential and productive to many fans, but I believe they are entirely unnecessary to the point of being a futile, pointless exercise. Here are a few (tip of the iceberg) reasons why:

An athlete, a gymnast, in this case, can receive and be provided with all the necessary feedback they require from within their own gyms and training centers. USAG has the means to monitor and provide such feedback, suggestions, etc., without gathering everyone together for some big kumbaya session. Athletes will listen politely and respectfully to the recommendations and suggestions, consider them, and then advance them if viable. A handful will do what they want to do in the end, anyway, and there is nothing wrong with that. Let them and their coaching team be the judges as to what works best for them and what doesn’t. What gymnasts did not and do not need now or at any time over the many years past was some abusive, dictatorial figurehead telling them how it was going to be, no exceptions, and what they were going to do every minute of their day – or else. This was about picking and choosing “Dream Teams” but at a very costly price.

As far as team bonding is concerned, these gymnasts see and interact with each other during the season all the time, at meets, etc. where they develop and enjoy meaningful bonds, friendships, and associations. So, to say they must be gathered together and shuttered away (or not, i.e., not secluded) for a couple to several weeks a year for the ‘good of the team’ is total BS!

Also, whenever the door remains tightly closed, and very limited contact is allowed, bells, whistles, sirens should be blaring and blaring VERY LOUDLY.

In the meantime, what also permeated the environment were the despicable tactics employed by the Karolyis’, wherein the gymnasts were cherry-picked for teams, harangued, harassed, criticized, ignored, pitted against each other, told how to dress, how to do their hair, makeup, and left hungry enough leaving them to resort to eating toothpaste, etc., etc.

In addition, consider that whenever coaches stoop to politicking and smearing their gymnast’s rivals to placate and amuse a domineering, misguided “leader” or “director” aka national team coordinator to position (favorably) their gymnast, the program is dysfunctional. That is not a sport, that is a sickness, and should never be part of the equation again.

It speaks volumes that USAG continues to trip over their own unacceptable incompetence by the hiring and subsequent firing of Mary Lynn Tracy and resignation of Kerry Perry. What fools they are to think for one second that they could keep in a position of leadership and direction those that had close ties and associations with Larry Nassar. Who does that? What kind of convoluted thinking or reasoning went into these decisions?

To be fair, one could say it is unfair to punish innocent bystanders (and they were bystanders) with guilt by association swipes. However, some of these people were way too close, via personal friendships, etc. to the offender to ever be realistically and responsibly considered to run the program without compromise. With that in mind, the organization should have never considered for a moment elevating or promoting these people. It may sound harsh, but, imo, it is the morally correct move.

A gymnast should never have to worry or fret again about those they have entrusted to do right by them, represent them, protect them, which means a clean slate, USAG, not carryovers with ties to the very problem.
 
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I just watched and I love Simone and Morgan, but I adore Riley. Her style is so beautiful.

I looked on Simones Twitter and saw the feud posts, but she tweeted this, which I found more interesting and sad yet inspiring. I had forgotten about this talented and gorgeous young lady.

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/videos/katelyn-ohashi-gymnastics-ucla

It was fun to see Ohashi do a series with a full twist at the end again in college.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvLdJuSXxdg

And here she does it, messes it up, but still saves . . . then Simone, as a guest, runs out to give her a hug.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UIzBuyxOaY
 
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I do understand why camps are considered essential and productive to many fans, but I believe they are entirely unnecessary to the point of being a futile, pointless exercise. Here are a few (tip of the iceberg) reasons why:

An athlete, a gymnast, in this case, can receive and be provided with all the necessary feedback they require from within their own gyms and training centers. USAG has the means to monitor and provide such feedback, suggestions, etc., without gathering everyone together for some big kumbaya session. Athletes will listen politely and respectfully to the recommendations and suggestions, consider them, and then advance them if viable. A handful will do what they want to do in the end, anyway, and there is nothing wrong with that. Let them and their coaching team be the judges as to what works best for them and what doesn’t. What gymnasts did not and do not need now or at any time over the many years past was some abusive, dictatorial figurehead telling them how it was going to be, no exceptions, and what they were going to do every minute of their day – or else. This was about picking and choosing “Dream Teams” but at a very costly price.

As far as team bonding is concerned, these gymnasts see and interact with each other during the season all the time, at meets, etc. where they develop and enjoy meaningful bonds, friendships, and associations. So, to say they must be gathered together and shuttered away (or not, i.e., not secluded) for a couple to several weeks a year for the ‘good of the team’ is total BS!

Also, whenever the door remains tightly closed, and very limited contact is allowed, bells, whistles, sirens should be blaring and blaring VERY LOUDLY.

In the meantime, what also permeated the environment were the despicable tactics employed by the Karolyis’, wherein the gymnasts were cherry-picked for teams, harangued, harassed, criticized, ignored, pitted against each other, told how to dress, how to do their hair, makeup, and left hungry enough leaving them to resort to eating toothpaste, etc., etc.

In addition, consider that whenever coaches stoop to politicking and smearing their gymnast’s rivals to placate and amuse a domineering, misguided “leader” or “director” aka national team coordinator to position (favorably) their gymnast, the program is dysfunctional. That is not a sport, that is a sickness, and should never be part of the equation again.

It speaks volumes that USAG continues to trip over their own unacceptable incompetence by the hiring and subsequent firing of Mary Lynn Tracy and resignation of Kerry Perry. What fools they are to think for one second that they could keep in a position of leadership and direction those that had close ties and associations with Larry Nassar. Who does that? What kind of convoluted thinking or reasoning went into these decisions?

To be fair, one could say it is unfair to punish innocent bystanders (and they were bystanders) with guilt by association swipes. However, some of these people were way too close, via personal friendships, etc. to the offender to ever be realistically and responsibly considered to run the program without compromise. With that in mind, the organization should have never considered for a moment elevating or promoting these people. It may sound harsh, but, imo, it is the morally correct move.

A gymnast should never have to worry or fret again about those they have entrusted to do right by them, represent them, protect them, which means a clean slate, USAG, not carryovers with ties to the very problem.

Previously the girls were not bonding before the camps. Plus the camps serve as internal competitions and the coaches can get help too.

My understanding is they are changing conditions of the camps. Parents are now allowed to attend etc so it is no longer secretive
 
That's a big and important change.
They have also introduced one parent chaparone for meets. I don’t see any of the girls saying their should be no Camps. In fact I believe Simone commented lack of team bonding. Just not like Karolyis
 
Previously the girls were not bonding before the camps. Plus the camps serve as internal competitions and the coaches can get help too.

My understanding is they are changing conditions of the camps. Parents are now allowed to attend etc so it is no longer secretive
They have also introduced one parent chaparone for meets. I don’t see any of the girls saying their should be no Camps. In fact I believe Simone commented lack of team bonding. Just not like Karolyis
It is not necessary that the gymnasts be camped out somewhere engaging in mock comps and then noshing on a well deserved, hard-earned pizza meal, or enjoying the occasional ice cream treat while watching DVD’s all in the name of bonding to rise to the challenge and occasion of defeating their rivals during team competitions – especially when we’re talking about the Olympic Games. There have been athletes that have confirmed as much on and off throughout the years. It might be great fun and good times, but in the big picture, not absolutely, unequivocally, necessary to achieve team success.

Gymnastics is still considered a very individual sport despite the team competition. It is/has been the PR spin that continues to suggest that the team medal is the MOST important and coveted medal which is not entirely true for many top-ranked gymnasts. That honor is still reserved for AA (all-around) medals and IA (individual apparatus) medals.

If an athlete feels they need to physically be around their teammates for weeks at a time to bond and motivate themselves in order to successfully and reliably compete with and for the team, then maybe that could be considered insecurity, but I have yet to hear of any such occurrences of this happening over the years.

It doesn’t take very much at all for the athletes to get their competitive adrenaline flowing when you are at the Olympics competing with (or against) other athletes from your own country for team gold, silver or bronze. It is already naturally and instinctively ingrained into an athlete whether they are competing for themselves or in a team environment to win and automatically support and step-up for the team and your teammate. You don’t need to attend a camp to accomplish this. Camps are more about control and management than anything else.

Bonding, by the practice and use of the old Romanian standard, style, and template, is secondary and unnecessary to achieve team success and is not recommended at any given time, as it has always been about control.

However, I know that a lot of people like the idea of camps, so there you go… I’m telling you, though, someone like Simone Biles (for example) doesn’t need that kind of incentive to bring her A-game, none of them do.
 
Monthly training camps are probably not necessary, but I can almost guarantee you that training camps in general are an integral and essential aspect of every gymnastics national team program. I would bet that every country that doesn't have centralized training uses training camps as part of their national team development.
 
Monthly training camps are probably not necessary, but I can almost guarantee you that training camps in general are an integral and essential aspect of every gymnastics national team program. I would bet that every country that doesn't have centralized training uses training camps as part of their national team development.

Exactly it helps the coaches develop and the girls to see where their competitors are at and consistent competition does make one better. It absolutely does. Second it helps the people selecting teams make the best team choices. As I said earlier I don’t see Aly or Simone saying the camps aren’t necessary. Heck Simone’s personal gym hosted one.
 
Being invited to a camp should be an honor, a source of motivation. It should become an opportunity that can help you become a better gymnast. I hope there aren't as many, either. One a month seems excessive for high school students who already have a full schedule. I hope it becomes something positive.

I don't know if I'm alone in thinking that as successful as the Karolyis were, they could have had even more success had they not so badly managed their gymnasts' health.
 
You qualify for the Olympics based on your performance during the team competition. You also qualify for individual finals based on the team competition (qualification round). Competing as a team is much different than competing for yourself. Having a training camp before a major team competition allows the athletes to prepare for that situation. You simulate warmup for example. You warmup as a team and have to share the time. That is a much different experience than warming up using your own blocked time. Also in a team competition you might not have your personal coach there. The training camp can simulate this (for example by only allowing the athletes to talk to the two team coaches during a mock meet).

As a brevet judge in Canada I have had the opportunity to attend many training camps and I cannot imagine us having as much success as a national team without these. Athlete development, coaching development, even judging development. It all goes together in developing a stronger national team program.
 
Monthly training camps are probably not necessary, but I can almost guarantee you that training camps in general are an integral and essential aspect of every gymnastics national team program. I would bet that every country that doesn't have centralized training uses training camps as part of their national team development.
No, they're not.
I don’t see Aly or Simone saying the camps aren’t necessary. Heck Simone’s personal gym hosted one.
I don't dispute this, because of course, you will find gymnasts who like the social aspects, etc., that a camp (monthly or otherwise) will offer, but it is not entirely necessary for the team to be successful on the international stage, or podium in this case. However, take into consideration that on the flip side, you also have gymnasts who do not find these camps beneficial. It goes both ways, with the fans and the gymnasts.

A naturally gifted and talented athlete like Simone (who is considered a social butterfly, btw, and understandably enjoys camps) will rise to the occasion, regardless.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on the importance or lack thereof regarding camps.
 
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