The Dance Hall 5: Ice Dance Fans 2017-2018

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Anyasnake said:
Okay this is a total misunderstanding. My words are being twisted or I did not express myself correctly :

I never said V/M +4 points was a mockery AT ALL. One poster said ISU wanted P/C to win. I said, if so, why V/M are getting +4 since it would have been so easy to put a level down? Never said it was underserved (I don't even think it), because they actually got +3 just on Base Value. I said that was the reason that statement was a mockery, not V/M score.

V/M got lower score because of the Rumba. V/M in the SD in Base Value got level 2 + level 3 in No-touch, that's 2.70 points. At GPF they got 81.50ish - 1.20 (Rumba lvl2) = 80.30. They got 80.50 ish. Almost the same if not for levels that they actually fixed in the individual. If you add all the numbers it makes their 83+ score in the SD. It's the Tech Panel, not the judges. (Plus at GPF they called out lvl 3 at first but upgraded).

You have to look at protocols, I'm almost feeling like one of those uber trying to defend something I certainly didn't say. I'm the one saying that I wouldn't have given P/C those scores in the twizzles.

EDIT : same for the Shibs, they got +1.5 thank to a level in the No-touch, and actually the whole No-touch was even upgraded in GOEs. Maybe they caught something we didn't on camera in the TE.
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okay, I understand you. The thing is that is not the first time I read people thinking that the difference from the Team Event to Individual Event was suspect to favor to V/M, so with your comment, especially people saying that their rhumba pattern should be lowered again in the IE, I thought you are thinking the same like those people.
 
Anyaskate-

V&M had the better skated SD YET...

Judge 2 (Russia) gave P&C 3 perfect 10's on skating skills, performance and intrepretation and plus GOE across the board including on their twizzles and lift (despite mistakes) They also gave V&M a plus 2 GOE on twizzles giving the illusion they did not perform that element as well as P&C and only one perfect 10.

Judge 3 (Ukraine) gave 3 perfect 10's and plus 3 GOE on all elements to P&C but gave V&M a plus 2 GOE thus giving edge to P&C for 1st from them

Judge 4 (France) like Canada (Judge 1) I am going to give a slide to because of Nationalist bias.

Judge 5 (Japan) scored V&M higher and actually marked lower GOE for P&C on the lift (+1 GOE) and twizzles (+2 GOE) and no perfect scores to P&C but 4 to V&M

Judge 6 (Turkey) just barely gave edge to V&M

Judge 7 (Italy) gave higher marks to P&C despite mistakes

Judge 8 (USA) gave higher marks on execution to P&C

Judge 9 (Isreal) barely gave edge to V&M.

Legit ONLY saving grace for V&M against this SD panel was tech calling. Otherwise, despite those errors, P&C would have won with that skate with a twizzle error and blip on the lift... and that doesn't even include the nip slip.

The FD, exact same base value and same execution but judges gave 4 perfect GOE's across the board to P&C.Those same 4 judges gave several +2 (GOE) to V&M.

I won't get into PCS because I loved both programs equally and thought 10's should have been equally afforded.

So please tell me how the panel was stacked FOR V&M when it was only frack ups in the SD that afforded them to be placed higher in that portion of the comp.

What politics aided them?

The numbers don't lie. In both the SD and the FD, the judges gave higher marks to P&C overall.
 
It's only March and already the Olympic FD is approaching dead horse levels not seen in many years.

V/M are done, retired, designing jewelry or whatever it is they want to do. Can we please move on? Is there any team that might have a P/C-in-2015 type breakthrough next season? Will any new training centers emerge? What will happen to all the hideous costumes after the final SD is danced? Etc.
 
And once again I never said that the panel was stacked for V/M. I said that if they were against, they would have done much more. I didn't want the poster put V/M as victims of the judging when they weren't, and that is it.

Again, I might take every single one of these PCS and GOEs, but in the end P/C did have lower marks and GOE on every elements barring the pattern. I already made my point of view about some of those GOEs of course.
They also did have lower PE and IN - as they should.

When I talk about politics, it's not all or nothing. Both federations make what they make, one doesn't stay out of the loop while the other works its business, that's what I'm saying.
 
Zemgirl said:
It's only March and already the Olympic FD is approaching dead horse levels not seen in many years.

V/M are done, retired, designing jewelry or whatever it is they want to do. Can we please move on? Is there any team that might have a P/C-in-2015 type breakthrough next season? Will any new training centers emerge? What will happen to all the hideous costumes after the final SD is danced? Etc.
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By the way, what happened to the inept person who made Gabriella's dress? Did she/he give an explanation?
 
Zemgirl said:
It's only March and already the Olympic FD is approaching dead horse levels not seen in many years.

V/M are done, retired, designing jewelry or whatever it is they want to do. Can we please move on? Is there any team that might have a P/C-in-2015 type breakthrough next season? Will any new training centers emerge? What will happen to all the hideous costumes after the final SD is danced? Etc.
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Look out for the 13th ranked team at Worlds this year and you'll have the answer :D
 
Zemgirl said:
It's only March and already the Olympic FD is approaching dead horse levels not seen in many years.

V/M are done, retired, designing jewelry or whatever it is they want to do. Can we please move on? Is there any team that might have a P/C-in-2015 type breakthrough next season? Will any new training centers emerge? What will happen to all the hideous costumes after the final SD is danced? Etc.
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Yes it is terrible to call out bullshyte and make people uncomfortable about the truth isn't it?

P&C will carry on and win at World's and hopefully win in Beijing... but let's stop pretending V&M had the politics shall we?

France, USA, Russia, Ukraine, Italy, China and possibly Spain were very clearly in P&C's corner. Canada at best had Canada, Japan and maybe Isreal and Slovakia.

The BBC Eurosport solidifies the backroom dealings and despite that crap... V&M won.

(Anyaskate- P&C actually had higher GOE's on their SD elements with the majority of rhe judges... legit only reason they had lower score was from a tech call... if they had gotten the level 4 they would have won the SD too)

Now please move on... :D
 
Zemgirl said:
To my everlasting shame, I have no recollection at all of seeing P/C in 2014, and I was actually there for both the SD and the FD.

Didn't Ziggy predict great things for them?
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I didn't either, I knew who they were but I saw only top 5/6 at Worlds. P/B not winning was a bit of disappointment.
In their TEB 2013 video, commentators were predicting great things for them too. Also in their JWorlds 2013 performance.
Do we have any juniors or first-year senior that are in the same situation perhaps ? Highly praised, but not high ranked ?
 
Oh and I almost forgot the most important question of all :

I did not see The Greatest Showman. For those who have : Is there any Tango music or something in that vein in the soundtrack ?

I think a lot of those FD (if not SD) are coming... (or maybe it will be a La La Land effect)
 
Anyasnake said:
Oh and I almost forgot the most important question of all :

I did not see The Greatest Showman. For those who have : Is there any Tango music or something in that vein in the soundtrack ?

I think a lot of those FD (if not SD) are coming... (or maybe it will be a La La Land effect)
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Maybe we'll finally get the slew on La La Land programs on the senior level that we were expecting for this season now that there are no Olympics and people are going to be brave enough to try new routines again...maybe routines we'll see resurrected for 2022 (or are do skaters only do that with programs in the second season of the 4-season Olympic cycle?).
 
Anyasnake said:
Oh and I almost forgot the most important question of all :

I did not see The Greatest Showman. For those who have : Is there any Tango music or something in that vein in the soundtrack ?

I think a lot of those FD (if not SD) are coming... (or maybe it will be a La La Land effect)
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I dont remember any tango in that movie, but you know, everything is possible adding the beats :scream:
 
chapis said:
I dont remember any tango in that movie, but you know, everything is possible adding the beats :scream:
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While it's normal in Latin ballroom, I don't know much about Tango in Ballroom. I'm not a fan of the DWTS Tango on electro music (some pop musics are fine though). But now that you can combine any style with the tango in the SD, I'm waiting for someone to come out with Tango + Carribean music or something way too crazy. :gallopin1
 
Anyasnake said:
Oh and I almost forgot the most important question of all :

I did not see The Greatest Showman. For those who have : Is there any Tango music or something in that vein in the soundtrack ?

I think a lot of those FD (if not SD) are coming... (or maybe it will be a La La Land effect)
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No, there isn't a tango in the soundtrack. The music is very conventional pop/rock with (imo) a slightly '80s vibe.
 
Anyasnake said:
While it's normal in Latin ballroom, I don't know much about Tango in Ballroom. I'm not a fan of the DWTS Tango on electro music (some pop musics are fine though). But now that you can combine any style with the tango in the SD, I'm waiting for someone to come out with Tango + Carribean music or something way too crazy. :gallopin1
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Is it obligatory combine it or just an option?
What aberrations we will see, hip hop-tango.
 
Anyasnake said:
The ISU must have have had a meeting in a dark room, with voodoo dolls of Virtue/Moir wearing their Hip Hip Chin Chin costume, covered in needles and surrounded by candles. "No OGM for you", they said. Didier was here, president of the meeting, dressed as a Death eater and Leanna Carron was crying in her hometown back in Canada because she wasn't invited. She swore to make them pay by politicking hard enough to have Nicole Kidman and Ewan McGregor singing Come What May at the next Super Bowl.

Chill, if this was the case it would have been easy to give a 120 to V/M in the FD, a reminder that they had a massive 4 point-jump in one week. If this were P/C, your reaction would have been heard on Neptune. The Olympics are over, get over it.
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Oh don’t you worry your pretty little head off about my chill factor. I just spent 5 days on the beach in Miami and am about to head to the DR for a week. Of course it’s all that much more enjoyable knowing that corrupt weasel Didier didn’t get his way in Korea. :biggrinbo :skandal:bribe:
 
chapis said:
About L/L, I think he is great, but she is not, at all. But I am not impressed by Christina Carreira either. And I am not seeing the Russians emulating to P/C, I think their styles are completely different.
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The Russians are not emulating P/C at all. The leading Russian couple is very much in the Stepanova or Sinitsina mold. Find the girl with the longest, skinniest legs and pair her with a talented boy. Unfortunately a lot of these girls don’t look particularly athletic and all are very stiff kneed.
 
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chapis said:
About L/L, I think he is great, but she is not, at all. But I am not impressed by Christina Carreira either. And I am not seeing the Russians emulating to P/C, I think their styles are completely different.
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Lajoie is too jerky/choppy looking. She needs ballet and to smooth out her movement to match his.

Agree about Carrreira. She reminds me skating skills wise of Belbin.
 
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