Olympic champ Zagitova challenges US skater after criticism

Ashley isn’t saying anything that many posters have not said here. If excuses can be made for Mirai who literally threw another competitor under the bus to deflect a question regarding her bad skate, I think Ashley can get a pass for saying what she did.
 
Nadya said:
Who said anything about rights? This is not about rights, it's about what looks good. She has a right to comment, and I have a right to find her comments worthless and bad form, which I did. See, both rights exercised.
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But what about frankness, honesty, not being politically correct? :drama:
 
I think the people who criticize Ashley - and I am one of them - do not necessarily criticize her skating. Mostly, they criticize her whining and declaring this, that and the other thing is "unfair." It seems that "unfair" is one of Ashley's favorite words. The people in charge let her go to the Olympics in 2014 in lieu of the woman who finished ahead of her in an effort to be fair to her. They took into consideration her "whole body of work" and placed her ahead of another skater. How much more of a break could they possibly give her - they sent her out of turn. She did not medal at the Olympics and she then says it was because of her support of the gay community. Give me a break. Such is NOT why Ashley did not medal. No one even cares about gays issues as they once did. For most people, it is now a non-issue. Virtually no one is even interested in someone's sexual orientation. What difference does it make? The reason Ashley did not medal is very simple. She did not skate as well as the people who did - period. It is beyond the pale for Ashley to suggest that her support of the gay community is why she did not win a medal. How absurd can she really get?

Now, along comes the 2018 Olympics and apparently the same thing happened again; Ashley placed 4th in the tryouts. This time it would have been ridiculous to send her - again! - in lieu of the girl they did send. I mean you can pull this sort of thing off once but twice would be out of the question. Shortly thereafter, we hear that Ashley is "absolutely furious." She is accusing the panel - once again - of judging her "unfairly." Once again, Ashley is a martyr and a victim. Once again, it is not her fault but rather that what happened to her is the fault of someone else. If Ashley and her fans wish for her to be taken seriously, Ashley needs to cut out all the whining, excuse-making, and (most of all) accusing everyone of being "unfair" to her. Then, and only then, will people take her comments about other skaters seriously. Otherwise, people just roll there eyes and think "NOW, what is it that Ashley is complaining about; what is it THIS time?"
 
For the hundredths time: Ashley lost on PCS in San Jose that were unusually low for her. The whole season she had been earning higher PCS with technically imperfect performances from the ISU judges. Raf said in a recent interview that she didn't work hard enough and that I believe. But he also adds that had she received her usual PCS, she would have been on the team. Should Ashley have trained harder? Absolutely. Did the judges lowball her at Nats? Absolutely. Did it pay off to send Karen? I am not so sure. At least Ashley would have shown up in top physical shape.
 
IceAlisa, Did you ever hear the express that if your aunt had balls she'd be your uncle? If, if, if. That is not what happened. Do you support the notion that for two times in a row, someone else should sit home to give Ashley a chance she did not earn based on her performance? How many times should they cut Ashley a break and leave someone else out in the cold? Had Ashley gone to the Olympics, the very best she could have placed was 5th. She was clearly not better than the lady who placed 4th. So let's say she did place 5th - which is a huge long shot but let's just take that as a given. Most likely we would have to listen, yet again, to Ashley whine and complain about how unfair it was that she did not win. Who knows what she would have come up with this time. Perhaps she would have said that she did not win because she was friends with Adam Rippon or maybe it would have been because of the color of her socks which she wore to the dining hall or else her hair was blond and the judges like dark hair. Who knows. If I had to bet, I would say she would have used her friendship with Rippon as the reason. With Ashley, you can never tell, however, because she is very creative. One thing we do know is that based on who skated and how they did skate, Ashley would not have medaled. I will give you even money that she would have come up with some excuse as to why such was the case and not one of the reasons she would have suggested would have had anything to do with her skating. BTW, I don't think any of this is because Ashley does not work hard enough. I am sure Ashley works VERY hard. The reality of life is that sometimes, no matter how hard you work, someone else is just better. Nobody said life had to be fair. It is not. FWIW, I am thrilled Ashley is doing commercials. I hope they are paying her a lot of money and that she gets many more of them. She does commercials better than she skates and she deserves to get something back for all of her time and effort. I just wish that someone close to her would put a gag in her mouth. When she is making excuses for herself, nothing good comes of it.
 
This is rich. First you complain about my hypothetical and then proceed to lay out your own with such certainty, it's hilarious. :D
brennele said:
IceAlisa, Did you ever hear the express that if your aunt had balls she'd be your uncle? If, if, if. *snip* Had Ashley gone to the Olympics, the very best she could have placed was 5th. She was clearly not better than the lady who placed 4th. So let's say she did place 5th - which is a huge long shot but let's just take that as a given. Most likely we would have to listen, yet again, to Ashley whine and complain about how unfair it was that she did not win. Who knows what she would have come up with this time.
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In case anyone is interested in the full article rather than bickering like kindergarten kids...
http://fs-gossips.com/alina-zagitova-i-hope-to-stay-in-figure-skating-for-a-long-time/
And how did you manage to avoid trouble on the Olympic ice during the competition?
– I tried to ignore everything, to avoid the increased attention to my person from the media and fans, not to think that I am at the Olympic Games. Compelled myself that this is a normal competition, no different from the others. That was my attitude here.

Who taught you this?
– Despite the fact that I do not have a very rich life experience, I can do certain conclusions myself. (me at ?FSU reaction to this quote:rofl:)
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BlueRidge said:
If a skater has beautiful artistry but not enough tech content they'll be criticized for it and probably try to improve.
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Misha Ge and Jason Brown do not get criticized for their lack of tech content. To the contrary, they are quite beloved among fans.
 
ToFarAwayTimes said:
The other thing to remember is that the 10% bonus rule supposedly applies because a skater is more tired later in their skate. But if you don't do any jumps in the first half, you aren't going to be that tired. It's not only an unbalanced program that should be marked down in PCS, it's also against the spirit of the rules.

That said, Alina tried to score the most points. Good for her. The problem is the ISU, not Zagitova.
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That's what that idiot Christine Brennan said. But if it's easy to do all the jumps after 2 minutes of not-jumping on not-tired legs, why don't more people do it? Oh wait, they can't.
 
IceAlisha,
Where is the hypothetical aspect? The ladies skate is a done deal so we CAN add Ashley to the mix. Unless you are going to tell me that Ashley COULD skate better than the ladies who placed 1-4, there is nothing hypothetical - at this point - about what I put forth. Ashley's problem has nothing to do with her skating ability. It has to do with her mouth wherein she whines, complains and blames others. Skaters can work to 100% if their ability ALL of the time and STILL, through absolutely no one's fault, someone else will be better. Worse, that someone else might be a person who only needs to work to 80% of their ability for only 75% of the time. That person can get to the top with far less. Who ever said life had to be fair.

When you choose a profession like FS where there can be only ONE person at the top, it is an occupational hazard. In other occupations, someone who was as good in their profession as Ashley is in skating would be immensely successful. When the occupation is FS, only one person can be at the very top and everyone else does not get the rewards they deserve for how much effort they have been putting into skating for all of these years. With FS, working hard including the very hardest you can possibly work is no guarantee. For most profession, it IS a guarantee of success. This is why I am glad Ashley is doing commercials. She is getting something back for her efforts all these years. Money is not everything but it is a good second choice. I am sure Ashley would rather have an OGM than commercial money BUT since she can't have an OGM, the commercial money will go a long way towards improving the quality of her life. She could do worse.

BTW, people take advantage of young people and convince them that it is OK to take out huge college loans. They are told everything will be OK once they graduate. Some coaches tell skaters much the same thing. They lead the skaters to believe that only hard work is needed. If they work hard enough, everything will be OK. Not so in either case. So the young person graduates with a $175,000 student loan debt but they did not study anything which could lead to a high-paid job i.e. they choose the wrong major. There are some parallels to FS. Coaches are not always honest with their skaters. They like the money they get paid more than they like to be honest.
 
brennele said:
IceAlisha,
Where is the hypothetical aspect?
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A beam in thine own eye...
Had Ashley gone to the Olympics, the very best she could have placed was 5th. She was clearly not better than the lady who placed 4th. So let's say she did place 5th - which is a huge long shot but let's just take that as a given. Most likely we would have to listen, yet again, to Ashley whine and complain about how unfair it was that she did not win. Who knows what she would have come up with this time.
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It's IceAlisa, not IceAlisha :rofl:
 
IceAlisa, You believe Ashley could have placed higher than 5th, given the people who did place 1-4? Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion but it seems a bit pie-in-the-sky to me. Has she ever performed at that level, previously? You know it is possible that a monkey can be born with kelly green fur all over his body due to a random genetic mutation. What is the likelihood that such will actually happen?
 
Nadya said:
That's what that idiot Christine Brennan said. But if it's easy to do all the jumps after 2 minutes of not-jumping on not-tired legs, why don't more people do it? Oh wait, they can't.
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Alina doesn't have strong skating compared to her top competitors. Her ice coverage is very small. She doesn't hold or extend positions. These are things that if she actually did, would drain her stamina more. Since she doesn't do them, she should be getting marked down in components, but alas she does not. Her and her coach and federation simply game the system better.

She's a terrific jumper, don't get me wrong and she should be rewarded for it. I think she'd be a better skater too if she really worked at it, but she doesn't have the incentive to do so I guess.
 
brennele said:
IceAlisa, You believe Ashley could have placed higher than 5th, given the people who did place 1-4? Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion but it seems a bit pie-in-the-sky to me. Has she ever performed at that level, previously? You know it is possible that a monkey can be born with kelly green fur all over his body due to a random genetic mutation. What is the likelihood that such will actually happen?
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You do realize you are indulging in hypotheticals here, do you not? :lol: Have you calculated the exact probability of Ashley's placement? And a probability is just that, btw and is only as good as your calculations. If so, please present your work here. And yes, she is a National champ several times over and a world silver medalist. If you know how exactly an unpredictable event like the Olympics would turn out and how any given skater would place, you must be super rich!

Oh and I have said no such thing about her possible placement, btw. Not only hypotheticals but straight up fiction!
 
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I jumped to the conclusion that Ashley made her comments about Alina right after she won the gold medal, but apparently it was before the Ladies singles even started. (She also said that she wouldn’t be able to do all of her triples in the second half of her own program). I don’t have a problem with Ashley making her views known before the event.
 
IceAlisha, perhaps our conversation with one another would be more constructive if we clarified our respective points. What exactly IS your position as it applies to Ashley and the Olympics. Here is what you wrote"
"Did it pay off to send Karen? I am not so sure. At least Ashley would have shown up in top physical shape." Is THIS what we are discussing? If so, I must say - with all due respect - so what? Of what possible relevance is this fact. What am I missing here?
 
Nadya said:
Who said anything about rights? This is not about rights, it's about what looks good. She has a right to comment, and I have a right to find her comments worthless and bad form, which I did. See, both rights exercised.
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If this isn't about rights, why are you invoking your (alleged) right to pass judgement on her comments?
 
overedge said:
If this isn't about rights, why are you invoking your (alleged) right to pass judgement on her comments?
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Because I don't perform for the pleasure of the viewing public, and therefore have the luxury of not caring what anyone thinks.

You missed the point. I am not denying her "the right" to her opinion - how can I? I'm saying it was bad form for her to express it in this fashion.
 
Nadya said:
Because I don't perform for the pleasure of the viewing public, and therefore have the luxury of not caring what anyone thinks.

You missed the point. I am not denying her "the right" to her opinion - how can I? I'm saying it was bad form for her to express it in this fashion.
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Why is it bad form and who gets to decide what good or bad form is? You? If so, why?
 
She should have said “ sorry; can’t hear you over the tears you’re crying from not being able to make the team and be here”. Ashley should take a page from Alina’s book. That shitty nationals performance; then she complained because the judges weren’t consistent in how they dinged her for her under rotated jumps. Also, Raf was just interviewed and he said she practiced poorly before nationals.

Ashley: go sit down somewhere and be humble. Too soon sis.
 
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Nadya said:
I get to decide for me, and you get to decide for you. That's why this forum exists.

Why? 'Cause otherwise there'd be no traffic.
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Great, so I decide it's totally fine and continue to follow her on social media. Feel free to ignore her so you don't get upset by her "bad form." :saint:
 
IceAlisa said:
Great, so I decide it's totally fine and continue to follow her on social media. Feel free to ignore her so you don't get upset by her "bad form." :saint:
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I'll figure out my own cures to my feelings, thank you. Your social media habits are your own business.
 
arakwafan2006 said:
She should have said “ sorry; can’t hear you over the tears you’re crying from not being able to make the team and be here”. Ashley should take a page from Alina’s book. That shitty nationals performance; then she complained because the judges weren’t consistent in their cheating for her and her cheated jumps.

Ashley: go sit down somewhere and be humble.
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She should have said, "Wagner? Who dat? Isn't he dead after writing all that awesome music? Didn't know the dude skated or was on twitter!"
 
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Nadya said:
I'll figure out my own cures to my feelings, thank you. Your social media habits are your own business.
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An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure :saint:

Nadya said:
She should have said, "who? Wagner? Isn't he dead after writing all that awesome music? Didn't know the dude skated or was on twitter!"
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She really does bother you, you poor thing
 
Neither Ashley nor Christine seem to know how the ISU defines balance. It has nothing to do with where the spins and jumps are placed in the program.

Like Ashley, but there is no way she could skate Alina's program to the same level Alina skates it.
 
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