Amazing Race starting January 3rd

The Ladder thing ..... :yikes: Woulda never ever been able to haul my fat butt up that ladder. :rofl:

I don't like the head to head thing. Let's not do that again please. Although those girls were annoying so its okay. :P
 
Head to head at the end was so unfair! Really dreading the partner switch too. And still am bitter about having to watch Cody and Jessica again. The extreme girls are my favorite team so far.
 
Head to head at the end was so unfair! Really dreading the partner switch too. And still am bitter about having to watch Cody and Jessica again. The extreme girls are my favorite team so far.
I did not like the head to head at all, although I was happy to see the goat girls out. Still too many racers to get a feel, but the extreme girls and the twins seem pretty impressive. I like the basketball players too.
 
Only good things about the head to head were the frites costumes - in a ‘so bad they are good’ way!
 
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I agree that the head-to-head was a bad idea. It could also have been very unfair to the next to last team unless there is an equalizer at the beginning of the next leg. Otherwise, if the last team to arrive got terribly lost and made the next to last team wait for 2 hours (for example), then even if they win the head-to-head, they are still 2 hours behind where they should have been to start the net leg.
 
2 good challenges in this 2nd segment! printing press and diamond appraisal! very relevant to the country.

I agree that the head-to-head was a bad idea. It could also have been very unfair to the next to last team unless there is an equalizer at the beginning of the next leg. Otherwise, if the last team to arrive got terribly lost and made the next to last team wait for 2 hours (for example), then even if they win the head-to-head, they are still 2 hours behind where they should have been to start the net leg.
I thought so too at first, but then changed my mind.... If one arrives early, the reward is more tries to win the challenge.
 
But not for the next to last team--it's still one shot and the timing is dependent on the last team.
correct. but the "last two teams" usually race against each other anyway... I look at it in "time span" terms, the earlier the team arrives, the more chances it has in the cart-race if it does not win at the first try.

The 2nd-to-last team, i thought, has 2 shots, one against a previous team, and one against the last team, so it seems.... And if i understood correctly, you're thinking that after the cart challenge the teams are still racing... I thought at this point the teams are all "on the same level" and starting a new segment.
 
The 2nd-to-last team, i thought, has 2 shots, one against a previous team, and one against the last team, so it seems.... And if i understood correctly, you're thinking that after the cart challenge the teams are still racing... I thought at this point the teams are all "on the same level" and starting a new segment.

But their start times are determined by when they finish--they start racing again twelve hours after they check in with Phil.

So if the next-to-last team has to wait two hours on the last team, and wins, the next-to-last team's start time will be two hours later than it could have been. Which is fine if they have an equalizer like a flight that they all make at the same time, but not so fine if that team misses a flight because they were delayed two hours by the other team.

I think that's what Rogue meant.
 
But their start times are determined by when they finish--they start racing again twelve hours after they check in with Phil.

So if the next-to-last team has to wait two hours on the last team, and wins, the next-to-last team's start time will be two hours later than it could have been. Which is fine if they have an equalizer like a flight that they all make at the same time, but not so fine if that team misses a flight because they were delayed two hours by the other team.

I think that's what Rogue meant.
I originally thought the same, until i considered the idea that the arrival time to the cart-challenge is not a "time check-in", all teams are still "racing" until they win the cart challenge. So if the 2nd-to-last team has not yet won a challenge, they are still "racing in the segment".. and can only be timed against the last team.. and the segment's time ends after the team passes the challenge gate.
 
I originally thought the same, until i considered the idea that the arrival time to the cart-challenge is not a "time check-in", all teams are still "racing" until they win the cart challenge. So if the 2nd-to-last team has not yet won a challenge, they are still "racing in the segment".. and can only be timed against the last team.. and the segment's time ends after the team passes the challenge gate.

Right. That's why the head-to-head challenge is not fair to the racers, as it makes them dependent on the performance of other racers.
 
Right. That's why the head-to-head challenge is not fair to the racers, as it makes them dependent on the performance of other racers.
That's one way of looking at it, true, if one views "time of arrival to the cart-race" as a "measure". In this case, time of arrival to the cart-race only gives you advantage how quickly one can start cart-racing and how many teams come after. One completes the "task" only after one wins the race. If one has not won and is waiting, technically one is still racing. i am not sure this is a right visual algorithm, but for what it is worth...
a) one way of looking at it: the current challenge [diamond/print task complete - time check] => [cart-race - time check] = segment check in.
b) my way: the current challenge [diamond/print task compete => arrive to cart race/race to win] = segment check in.

But i do understand what you're saying "if 2nd-to-last team arrives at 4 pm, they may have to wait 2 hrs for last team".

Yes, true, but a) they are still racing until they complete the cart-race". b) if the win the cart-race, they will start the next segment after all previous teams, but still ahead of the last team, which is eliminated.

Or, if the "2nd-to-last" team is a hold-over from previous lost challenges, then by arriving earlier and not winning from other teams, they technically "have not finished the challenge"...

..... but there are several ways of looking at it. I can add, to the same view, challenges where there is limited space or slots, and teams have to wait for previous teams to complete their tasks, before the next set of teams can take their spots/use the equipment.
 
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Normally, you can begin your next challenge (in this case, the cart race) as soon as you arrive if there is no one ahead of you in line. Having to wait a long time for another team to arrive to even begin the challenge is where the unfairness lies. There is a difference between having to wait your turn because someone arrived ahead of you and having to wait your turn because a team behind you got lost or couldn't complete the previous challenge. If you are going to have head-to-head challenges, it should be the initial challenge in the leg where all teams are arriving around the same time, not the ending challenge.
 
Having to wait a long time for another team to arrive to even begin the challenge is where the unfairness lies.
I am not disputing that this arrangement (of having to wait for next team) is a pleasant situation. But the question then... "unfair" in terms of what? Having to wait, as in waist of time or an annoyance? or some kind of obstacle for the next leg of the race? I don't get how the 2nd-to-last team is hindered other than an inconvenience of having to wait... (unless i missed something).
 
I am not disputing that this arrangement (of having to wait for next team) is a pleasant situation. But the question then... "unfair" in terms of what? Having to wait, as in waist of time or an annoyance? or some kind of obstacle for the next leg of the race? I don't get how the 2nd-to-last team is hindered other than an inconvenience of having to wait... (unless i missed something).
When they have to wait, they are affected on the next leg of the race by having a delayed start time.
For example, the second to the last team arrives at the challenge 5 minutes after the team ahead of them. The team in last place is lost and is two hours behind. If the second to last place team wins the challenge, they still have at least a two hour deficit on their start time.

If they lose the challenge to the last place team who is two hours behind, that is still an unfair situation.
 
When they have to wait, they are affected on the next leg of the race by having a delayed start time.
For example, the second to the last team arrives at the challenge 5 minutes after the team ahead of them. The team in last place is lost and is two hours behind. If the second to last place team wins the challenge, they still have at least a two hour deficit on their start time.

If they lose the challenge to the last place team who is two hours behind, that is still an unfair situation.
I do see what you and others are saying, and it is a valid approach. Several rules/forms of challenges in this game do not seem fair to me, but i'll talk about it at the end. But since i love this game so much, i would like to "logic through" this cart-challenge/wait issue a bit more..

We are basically talking about "circumstances beyond one's control" and how they affect the race/teams..... This game is FULL of circumstances beyond one's control.. man-made, and accidental.... This one is "man-made", true.... but:

- you're saying that it is not fair for 2nd-to-last remaining team to wait X amount of time for the last team because: the team that is ahead of the last team is NOT rewarded for arriving earlier than the last team. Yes, it is true, which ever team waits for the last challenge depends on the last team's arrival.

But the fair part.. that depends on how one views the segmentation of this challenge..
A - each team's arrival to the cart challenge after diamond/print challenge.
B - next team's arrival to the cart challenge/start of challenge.
C - the time the winning team advances to the next leg.

If you look at this segment as A and B as separate parts of the segment, then yes, last waiting team depends on last arriving team - [A] + = C.

But, if you look at A/B as "one segment/continuing challenge", [A + B] = C, then ALL circumstances between "diamond/print" and "winning cart race" are part of process.

Let's not forget, that the 2nd-to-last arriving team, does not have to wait for the Last Team. 2nd-to-last has an opportunity to race against 3rd-to-last remaining team, and proceed. If they don't win from previous team, only then they wait for Last Team. So basically 2nd-to-last team (if they have to wait) is "punished" for 1) not winning the challenge on the first try, and 2) being 2nd-to-last team. The Last Team HAS less advantage, they have only 1 try to win the challenge, while 2nd-to-last has 2 chances (so they are rewarded by extra opportunity).

If the 2nd-to-last team wins from Last Team, but now 2 hours behind all the rest, the logic behind it is: 1) they did not win from previous team, 2) they arrived 2nd to last.... later than teams ahead, so they get 2nd-to-last type of disadvantage.. (but not the worst, as the last team).

If the 2nd-to-last team looses the cart challenge to the Last Team, well.... they just did not complete the [A+B] ... and they had to wait for 2 hours because they did not win from 3rd to last team.... and they HAD that opportunity.

So if the logic is that after challenge [A - diamond/print] the teams are not rewarded by having to wait, to me its not quite true: the earlier you arrive, the more chances you have to take the cart-challenge.. The later you arrive, the less "options" you have...

Plus... this is by no means the first challenge/format where a Team depends on CIRCUMSTANCES BEYOND THEIR CONTROL... Broken equipment, change of weather, animals acting out, taxi/boat driver's abilities, etc.. But the worst man-made one is U-TURN! that is the worst unfairness of the game, that team/teams are allowed to gang-up on the "best Team"... this is a legalized "Tonya's knee-wack" if you think about it!

Also, for me, the biggest unfairness in this game so far, is in the 1st Segment, in Iceland. The 30-minute penalty to basketballers, for looking at others' ice-cube spelling is not fair! Why? Because in ALL previous season in many challenges teams a) were helped by other teams (got answers, directions, physical help), and b) were located close enough to another team to see what they were doing, like the "sun chair assembly" challenges few seasons back, and help with "metal spaghetti spoon" challenge in one of African countries, help with loaded bicycle challenge last season, teams teaming up to seek directions, agree to follow each other, share information, etc..

I think it is "shitty" that Basketballers had to sneak a pick... but i also think it is "shitty" to get answers and help from other teams, or look at their work which happens several times each season. Why punish basketballers now?
 
The basketballers penalty was because the person not doing the roadblock "helped" the person doing it.
 
The basketballers penalty was because the person not doing the roadblock "helped" the person doing it.
Are you sure? i need to re-watch then.... i thought they got a penalty for "looking at another team's layout".... thanks!

PS. just checked, you're right. the term was "team-mate", and initally i heard "... team something"..
 
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Why did the Old Dude think it was a good idea to go do a Road Block while wearing a 50 pound pack on his back!! :duh:

If I was at the Fish challenge I totally woulda stopped and played wid all da wittle kitty catz! :cat: :rofl:

On a challenge like the Gnome hunt, where you basically just have to wander around the city with no clue where you are going, what would happen in the Game if someone got so hopelessly lost among all those confusing buildings and streets that they could never find their way back? I know the camera crew is with them but all they do is follow the Team. What if they would wander into a dangerous part of the city or dangerous situation or something?
 
I did wonder why he was carting around his backpack when none of the other teams were.
 
On a challenge like the Gnome hunt, where you basically just have to wander around the city with no clue where you are going, what would happen in the Game if someone got so hopelessly lost among all those confusing buildings and streets that they could never find their way back? I know the camera crew is with them but all they do is follow the Team. What if they would wander into a dangerous part of the city or dangerous situation or something?

Many, many seasons ago (it had to probably be within the first 7 seasons or so), I believe one team agitated a taxi driver so he took them to a completely incorrect destination, which ended up being an extremely dangerous part of whatever town they were in. They got into an argument about not paying, and then the police even tried to throw one of the team members in jail for it. I'm probably getting some of the details wrong since it was now ~15 years ago, but I do believe at that point the AR producers had to intervene to not make the situation even worse. I don't know that it's ever happened otherwise. Teams have gotten extremely lost/stuck at roadblocks (who could forget the hay unrolling one) to the point that they just have to wait it out and eventually be notified that all other teams have crossed the finish line, thus eliminating them.
 
There was the incident where team members were taken to the wrong place and were detained by the police, the producers had to call in help. There was also an incident where the bus driver essentially hijacked several racers and demanded more money before taking them to their location. I think that was resolved by the racers simply paying up.

Then of course there was the infamous Amazing Race season 5 where Colin was a total ass to his taxi driver, refused to pay the agreed amount and the driver went to the police. He was on the verge of being arrested when Christie finally convinced him to pay up. Nasty incident. I don't think the producers intervened.
 
I still remember Colin's conversation with the police. "Do you speak English?", "No, you speak Swahili?":rofl: That was genius.

IIRC one of the incidents where a team got detained happened in Morocco (season 3?). It was a long time ago.

I'm terrible at navigating without a (detailed) map. So, to me, that was a tough leg.
 
Wow. Had to dig down to Page 2 to find the thread. I guess the episode(s) really were as boring as I thought. :rofl:

Get rid of the Head to Head!! :mad: That game would have been fine as a challenge, but they should have had to do the "pick a pair to play against" thing and play against some local experts like they have done before. I liked the Old Dudes. :( And anything to have Phil stop trying to commentate a challenge. Uhm ..... yeah ..... stop it Phil. I luvs u dude .... but stop it. :P

I hope Diamond Girl don't lose that ring!!!! I would so put it right back in that box and ask Phil or the Producers to guard it with their life. I would be too afraid of losing it!
 
One head to head was enough, IMO.

I almost fell asleep halfway through the second part of the episode, again. So I guess episode 1 wasn't a fluke.
OMG the telephone challenge is back next week.
 
I have always loved this show. I have watched this season every week. And usually I always come here to check out posts that night or the next day or two, but not this season. But I forget to come here and forget what happened.
I like team Yale. I don't like Brittany, but her fiancee seems very nice.
One of the guys team - not sure of names I like. I am finding many of the guys interchangeable. Sometimes one of the guys in a baseball cap - I think is Cody and it is not.
I am a BB watcher and am liking Cody and Jessica so far. I like the all girl team.
I really like the NBA players, but in a way glad they are gone - this race seemed very hard on them physically.
 

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